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09-09-2014, 19:03
TheOne

but you can always taunt to induce the frenemy into making mistakes :D

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09-09-2014, 19:06
Godly

The problem is the relations system rewards inactivity. First one to drop and make hits is at a big disadvantage. I made a post in the meter cap thread outlining what needs to change. To me, the stalling is what is leading to the decline of the game. With a 48-72hr notice period and 96 hrs of fort, we're talking 1 week before anything actually happens. Mehul would be seriously pissed off as am I.
09-09-2014, 20:19
Darkie89

Trust me Godly, both BB and Pyro ain't happy with the situation.
09-09-2014, 21:12
faegan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkie89

Trust me Godly, both BB and Pyro ain't happy with the situation.

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09-09-2014, 21:13
jwuzi

Are dragons still the same? Have there been any hits yet?

Do we just get goodz in to mediate?
09-09-2014, 21:51
StratOcastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwuzi

Are dragons still the same? Have there been any hits yet?

Do we just get goodz in to mediate?

You figured it out. Goodz is our mild mannered monarch tending to our war to make us lower tier moops happy in our tiny shell of existence; BUT! Then he slides down a pole to his reeaall job and emerges as Meteoric Mediator!
09-09-2014, 22:20
Godly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkie89

Trust me Godly, both BB and Pyro ain't happy with the situation.

I'm not hating on you guys. You've gotta do what you've gotta do. I'm upset with the relations system. It is so ridiculously broken. We tried to break the standard strategy and take the initiative in our war with you guys and we all saw what happened. You got the button, ops, and the hits you took just slimmed you down for the war. I can help with the relations system so much but I feel like every post I make just gets ignored by people who have influence over the changes. Why we don't have instant declare is just beyond me.
10-09-2014, 01:01
L3Kakk

Quote:

Originally Posted by flogger

they recently put on a decent amount of land in an effort to not get overwhelmed militarily, but I'm not exactly sure if that ends up helping them or if it just helps us top feed and dilutes their ops/science.

Their Core provinces (4k or under) run around 700-800 BPA, with the humans being a little higher and a couple others a bit lower. When we fought havoc earlier in the age, their core was all 2200-2000a and we were mostly 1600-1800a, and our core ended up with all the land, so here's hoping that repeats itself!

Their med provinces are a little stronger in the 1100-1200 BPA range since they've been established longer.

Banks vary greatly as some are more established than others.

And nesta and flogger are clearly the biggest nubs in the respective kingdoms.

ty brother, just wanted a little insight, appreciate it. however you stated only them whats your guys' science like since youve had a ridic amt of time unscathed?
10-09-2014, 01:10
flogger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

I'm not hating on you guys. You've gotta do what you've gotta do. I'm upset with the relations system. It is so ridiculously broken. We tried to break the standard strategy and take the initiative in our war with you guys and we all saw what happened. You got the button, ops, and the hits you took just slimmed you down for the war. I can help with the relations system so much but I feel like every post I make just gets ignored by people who have influence over the changes. Why we don't have instant declare is just beyond me.

Why you lost had nothing to do with you taking the initiative. Hitting our most important guys 20 times for free was not bad for you, you just failed to do anything else right that fight.
10-09-2014, 02:25
faegan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

I'm not hating on you guys. You've gotta do what you've gotta do. I'm upset with the relations system. It is so ridiculously broken. We tried to break the standard strategy and take the initiative in our war with you guys and we all saw what happened. You got the button, ops, and the hits you took just slimmed you down for the war. I can help with the relations system so much but I feel like every post I make just gets ignored by people who have influence over the changes. Why we don't have instant declare is just beyond me.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Why you lost had nothing to do with you taking the initiative. Hitting our most important guys 20 times for free was not bad for you, you just failed to do anything else right that fight.

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10-09-2014, 02:30
faegan

First time since EVER that a kingdom tried to enforce a win by boring the opponent into surrendering...
10-09-2014, 02:45
jwuzi

Why does BB have to initiate?

It's clear with this age's meta that dragged hostiles are how all of these top kd conflicts are gonna pan out, thinking it would be different is silly.
As far as all the "wah BB has all the advantages", I'm pretty sure that's purely from different prep. For 1 week BB decided to give up a 10k acre lead in favour of purely prepping for this fight instead of doing whatever Pyro did to gain the 10k acre lead.

So I dunno, I still think this is an equal fight.

The "fight" actually started the second each kd started planning and prepping for this conflict. Better tactics are the reason why some kds are better than others
10-09-2014, 02:51
flogger

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Originally Posted by faegan

First time since EVER that a kingdom tried to enforce a win by boring the opponent into surrendering...

I know, right. Will the bigger kd just start the fight already ;p

This isn't the first, its just when its a close fight its usually always a staredown ever since fortified was created. Perhaps if others seeked out close fights more often it'd be more common ;p
10-09-2014, 02:59
faegan

Quote:

Originally Posted by flogger

I know, right. Will the bigger kd just start the fight already ;p

This isn't the first, its just when its a close fight its usually always a staredown ever since fortified was created. Perhaps if others seeked out close fights more often it'd be more common ;p

You're the fat ones, attack already.

Edited:

I believe CR is coming OOW soon. Time to notice them perhaps?
10-09-2014, 03:06
flogger

Quote:

Originally Posted by faegan

You're the fat ones, attack already.

Edited:

I believe CR is coming OOW soon. Time to notice them perhaps?

since you have unbreakable faeries and I don't I suspect that wouldn't work out well for me. We don't have all the advantages, you have the important ones as far as who has to initiate. Same reason we had to wait for CR to initiate in their fight.
10-09-2014, 03:59
SillyRabbit

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Originally Posted by Persain

so you admit your a giant nub running a bad cow ;)

I don't know about me personally, but clearly the owners of pyros cows have some screws loose!
10-09-2014, 05:23
TheOne

Once again, Faegan doesn't speak for pyro. He is not in leadership and whatever he says doesn't represent our view.

Jwuzi claiming that this is equal fight is hilarious. Either your mechanics and uto knowledge is bad or you are ___. Pyro has some advantages, bb has some advantages. But bb advantages outweighs pyros advantage. Most neutral observers can clearly see it. You fail to do so.

But the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a fair war at the top, and pyro learn to understand and live with it. This is the brutality of the whoring game, and that kingdoms would want to exploit their advantages. But ofc, it sucks to be the inferior party :(

We have been in both superior and inferior spots before, it's part and parcel of the game.
10-09-2014, 05:33
jwuzi

Just because you guys don't have equal sci/same size cow/stock/military doesn't mean its not equal. I disagree that there is no such thing as fair war. Your definition of it is incorrect.

Either Pyro is trying to bait BB into making mistakes via QQing hard, or pyro is literally QQing hard because they were unable to prep/plan for BB's game plan.
When you had the better part of 4 weeks to plan for this, I lol hard if you think it could be more fair.
10-09-2014, 06:10
TheOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwuzi

Just because you guys don't have equal sci/same size cow/stock/military doesn't mean its not equal. I disagree that there is no such thing as fair war. Your definition of it is incorrect.

Either Pyro is trying to bait BB into making mistakes via QQing hard, or pyro is literally QQing hard because they were unable to prep/plan for BB's game plan.
When you had the better part of 4 weeks to plan for this, I lol hard if you think it could be more fair.

lol jwuzi. i just literally lol-ed so hard at your comments. seems like your game knowledge and mechanics is pretty bad. 'Just because you guys don't have equal sci/same size cow/stock/military doesn't mean its not equal'. I just laughed at this.

From what I can recall, this thread has been full of gif pictures, from both BB members, Pyro members and the outside observers. In fact, its the only 'top' war over the past few ages where you have a few pages of gifs being splashed around, and no rage-y 'i want to kill your mother' type of comments. yep. that's definitely QQing hard. :P or perhaps you consider memes and gifs as part of QQing hard :) then I'm sorry for QQing hard!

'When you had the better part of 4 weeks to plan for this, I lol hard if you think it could be more fair.' ->lol. are you even serious? yep. i had 4 weeks to plan for this when I think i was engaging CR not too long ago.. and its not helped by CR trading hits with Pyro for a few days, and then when meter is going to max out and things look 'unwinnable'.. comes over and say 'i'm going to offer xx acres or else i'll intra raze'. hmmm, imagine if i do the same thing to BB, trade hits for a few days, and if things look bleak, maybe i copy and do the same thing!

I am going to repeat this
'But the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a fair war at the top, and pyro learn to understand and live with it. This is the brutality of the whoring game, and that kingdoms would want to exploit their advantages. But ofc, it sucks to be the inferior party :(

We have been in both superior and inferior spots before, it's part and parcel of the game.'

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10-09-2014, 06:25
Lestat

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10-09-2014, 06:52
L3Kakk

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Originally Posted by Lestat

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WHATS IN THE BOX? THE BOO BOXXXXXXX

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10-09-2014, 07:13
Handym@n

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oh no war?
10-09-2014, 08:04
American Badass

Pyro's war to lose. Good luck BB. Pyro gonna bore you to death as they never give buttons.
10-09-2014, 09:17
13nesta13

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Badass

Pyro's war to lose. Good luck BB. Pyro gonna bore you to death as they never give buttons.

Funny you say that since we gave like 30 buttons in the first 2 weeks OOP, and also to pew albeit after 48h hostile. And most importantly also to you, within 14h.
10-09-2014, 09:44
protector

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOne

Once again, Faegan doesn't speak for pyro. He is not in leadership and whatever he says doesn't represent our view.

Jwuzi claiming that this is equal fight is hilarious. Either your mechanics and uto knowledge is bad or you are ___. Pyro has some advantages, bb has some advantages. But bb advantages outweighs pyros advantage. Most neutral observers can clearly see it. You fail to do so.

But the fact of the matter is that there is no such thing as a fair war at the top, and pyro learn to understand and live with it. This is the brutality of the whoring game, and that kingdoms would want to exploit their advantages. But ofc, it sucks to be the inferior party :(

We have been in both superior and inferior spots before, it's part and parcel of the game.

He's partially right though, it is pretty fair. Probably similar to BB/CR fight. CR had the upper hand but I don't think you could consider it an unfair fight. I mean, how much difference does there need to be for it to be "unfair"? It would have probably been unfair if we had fought yr8+72 as you'd lack resources for a proper pump :p

Your preparation was horrible. It was so bad that you loosing 6500 cow acres actually helped you. You guys spent your time growing acres instead of fortifying your provinces to prepare for us. That's just your own fault.
The extra week gave you lots of gold, wizards, science and create 2x 6k dwarves. None of that you would have had otherwise
10-09-2014, 12:44
faegan

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOne

Once again, Faegan doesn't speak for pyro. He is not in leadership and whatever he says doesn't represent our view.

Why do you always feel the need to repeat this. Stop it already Screech!
10-09-2014, 13:42
jwuzi

#classicpyro
10-09-2014, 13:43
Shai

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10-09-2014, 13:54
TheOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by American Badass

Pyro's war to lose. Good luck BB. Pyro gonna bore you to death as they never give buttons.

lol. as nesta pointed. thanks for making a fool out of yourself :D we gave pew button this into fort (within 48hrs), gave CR button into fort this age (within 14hrs). gave CR button into fort last age (within 1hr).

if you want to spear lies and tarnish reputation, do it better :D

Also sure, you're telling me if you are pyro, you are going to go ahead and give button to BB into fort with ~10% less troops, ~much less %science, w/ no more gains science and into dwarves with gs & +25% BE. Sure!

Ladies and Gentlemen, please all respect American Badass as the best strategist of utopia!
10-09-2014, 14:17
Darkie89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

The problem is the relations system rewards inactivity. First one to drop and make hits is at a big disadvantage. I made a post in the meter cap thread outlining what needs to change. To me, the stalling is what is leading to the decline of the game. With a 48-72hr notice period and 96 hrs of fort, we're talking 1 week before anything actually happens. Mehul would be seriously pissed off as am I.

I think everyone agrees on this one
10-09-2014, 14:18
Darkie89

Currrent conflict status:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7154457856/h4F5B173B/
10-09-2014, 14:32
13nesta13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkie89

Currrent conflict status:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7154457856/h4F5B173B/

Is this a CF offer?! Omg Darkie I always knew you da man. Shouldnt have left you out of kd banner!

Let's go have lunch!
10-09-2014, 14:57
tetley

Bigger kingdom complaining about having a disadvantage?
odd....
10-09-2014, 15:07
Shai

Less qq more pewpew
10-09-2014, 15:22
Runefire

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shai

more qq more pewpew

Fixed.
10-09-2014, 15:28
TheOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shai

Less qq more pewpew

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10-09-2014, 15:31
Anri

How many ages is it since Pyro gave button to another KD?

honest question, just never seen it happen from what i can remember
10-09-2014, 15:45
TheOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anri

How many ages is it since Pyro gave button to another KD?

honest question, just never seen it happen from what i can remember

This age
Gave pew button aggro into fort within 48hrs. Yr3
Gave CR button aggro into fort within 14hrs. Yr6

Last age
CR gave us button aggro into aggro. Yr0 (waved us when all our troops were out at oop)
Settlers gave us button aggro into arro. Yr1.5 (waved us when all our troops were out just after eowcf after cr-pyro)
Rage gave us button aggro into normal(ithink) Yr4. Our max fort expired and they waved in. We pushed.
Gave wsk button aggro into normal or fort (cant rmb) Yr 7
Gave CR button aggro into fort Yr 9.

2 ages ago
Gave button to Legacy aggro to normal/aggro
Gave button to BB normal/aggro to normal
Simians gave us button Aggro into fort
CR gave us button aggro into fort

ages before that
we were in warring tier :D

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anyway, it doesnt matter. no one is going to give button into fort against dwarves with + be% & GS, and no more gains science.. anyone who thinks that should be done, is a great strategist :D. unless you are significantly stronger than the other party..
10-09-2014, 15:53
Darkie89

#bringbackinstawar
10-09-2014, 16:03
Nim

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOne

Jwuzi claiming that this is equal fight is hilarious. Either your mechanics and uto knowledge is bad or you are ___. Pyro has some advantages, bb has some advantages. But bb advantages outweighs pyros advantage. Most neutral observers can clearly see it. You fail to do so.

I'd love to see a live streamed mudfight between heiney and tras. :D

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