Respect

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U just label the smaller and opponent kingdom as dodging. Not doing diplo or retal thus deserve it. U just need to delay responding to in game mail. Cos u got all the advantage . A war will be even better for me to get more honor. So why rushed. If the smaller opponent retal, even better. More valid reason to do more hits. At most they claimed, smaller kingdoms don't know how to diplo. We have offered them a very cheap deal in exchange for cf. Too bad they don't realise . They got themselves to blame to land in such a state. Now whining in forum is the best what they can do.
Familiar right . Actually this situation had repeated many ages. One of the lead actor who commonly appear in such story is the almighty FS

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Originally Posted by Feint

Part 2:
U just label the smaller and opponent kingdom as dodging. Not doing diplo or retal thus deserve it. U just need to delay responding to in game mail. Cos u got all the advantage . A war will be even better for me to get more honor. So why rushed. If the smaller opponent retal, even better. More valid reason to do more hits. At most they claimed, smaller kingdoms don't know how to diplo. We have offered them a very cheap deal in exchange for cf. Too bad they don't realise . They got themselves to blame to land in such a state. Now whining in forum is the best what they can do.
Familiar right . Actually this situation had repeated many ages. One of the lead actor who commonly appear in such story is the almighty FS

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spit your lies elsewhere feint, oh wait - isnt it time you arrange a fake war already? go work on it, instead of wasting time here!

He isn't lying, as it were. This is essentially what you do. ~ You're still nice guys, but that's not lying.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

He isn't lying, as it were. This is essentially what you do. ~ You're still nice guys, but that's not lying.

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i have already made a few posts about your own empty claims, repeating them doesnt make them true.. get a clue on whats going on before making accusations..

Hey relax.

It occurs to me Feint could be baiting because he's a slick customer. Heck, he might be on your side.
It also occurs to me we can separate gameplay from the civilized people we are in real life.

Sure you might be able to itemize what Feint missed on but his overall assessment is true.

As a sign of good faith I'll spare you a metaphor.

just part of FS' strategy strato. plan B : if we get caught, we'll just call them liars, that'll shut em up.

worked like a charm till they got too greedy.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

just part of FS' strategy strato. plan B : if we get caught, we'll just call them liars, that'll shut em up.

worked like a charm till they got too greedy.

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theres been claims of us refusing to diplo, and showing disrespect against our opponents.. prove any of those claims, or live with being called a liar..

For the audience, this is a known tactic in debate stylings.

To clarify, this thread is to challenge a hypocritical statement made by a FS player. We exchanged PMs afterward and all is good. The evidence is in his own statement.

LoRD_SaMPuaN is talking about a different subject. A subject in which he gathers they have all loose ends sewn up. So his challenge to prove something is irrelevant. - The secret ingredient is to mutate the subject toward your wheelhouse. I will have none of it. IQ noted.

Still, one should compose themselves. With that I wish you LoRD_SaMPuaN and kingdom a merry Christmas.
It's tough love, not hate.

Take care.

so apparently we aren't allowed to discuss FS' behavior in the forum cause the thread was closed. So you may want to close this one as well . Wouldn't want anyone to know that the ones calling others dodgers themselves are dodging war.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

so apparently we aren't allowed to discuss FS' behavior in the forum cause the thread was closed. So you may want to close this one as well . Wouldn't want anyone to know that the ones calling others dodgers themselves are dodging war.

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didnt you spew enough bs propaganda already? do you really think ppl believe you? do you really want us to post your diplo attitude against us during our hostile, along with your taunting banner? jeez, you are the sole reason you had your kd get into a war with us, and you are still grumpy over that?

its not about OUR war...we warred you already.
It's about you refusing to war anyone in your range and then saying you have no choice but to bottomfeed.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

its not about OUR war...we warred you already.
It's about you refusing to war anyone in your range and then saying you have no choice but to bottomfeed.

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is that your excuse for initiating a double-hostile on us?

i think it's just a bad luck for a kd which happens so often.

is that what you call it? you bottomfeed a kingdom below declare range and then cry cause another kingdom hits you? If that is your definition of a legit hostile then I guess yes.
I don't lie and make excuses, I told you that.

The minute you intend to war someone in range we'll stop I promise ;)

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

is that your excuse for initiating a double-hostile on us?

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Are you asking for fair treatment? It's close but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt.

But what you're really asking for is an advantage. Because you know you can hover over SS and take what you want with impunity. And if not them someone else.

No one above your nw will engage you and they might even help you. What Palem says is mechanically true but he isn't privy to subdivisions. I am and that's why we're having these discussions.

This was my answer to double-hostile:

~ Luckily my strat was so bad they thought I was a t/m, so the damage was negligible. ~

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

is that what you call it? you bottomfeed a kingdom below declare range and then cry cause another kingdom hits you? If that is your definition of a legit hostile then I guess yes.
I don't lie and make excuses, I told you that.

The minute you intend to war someone in range we'll stop I promise ;)

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ill be nice to you looking at your lack of diplo skills and understanding, and make a final cf offer in public this time.. get an eoacf with us, and we both move on from this..

I will decline that offer on the grounds that you are not trustworthy. Integrity escapes you. Not to mention that you have been insulting once again.

Your CFs are only good as long as they benefit you. As soon as they don't, you will find a reason to break it.

Besides the fact that I will not leave another kingdom hang out to dry just to take the easy route. Easy is what you do, not us. We fought hard for every single honor point, for every war win and even for the war losses. And you know that, we warred you.

Don't get me wrong you aren't the only kingdom that behaves like this. You just made the top of the list so fast because you do it more often than others and as a ranking kingdom you should lead by example. I think it's sad that you waste so much potential that your players have on foul play when you wouldn't need to do that.

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Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

ill be nice to you looking at your lack of diplo skills and understanding, and make a final cf offer in public this time.. get an eoacf with us, and we both move on from this..

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What a good way to show how you do diplomacy with no respect at all for others. This is the equivalent of saying, I'm sorry I'm better than you in every way so I'll offer you this carrot to chew on, now shoo. Well you think you are God's gift to Utopia FS, able to hit down anyone you wish with impunity and stand no repercussions for your actions. You are the bully in the playground who hitting people weaker than you know are unable to fight back, repeatedly for days on end. And when at last some of the weaker guys attempt to stand up to you, you play the victim card and cry out for punishment. But after this is over you will turn your attention to the next kid in the playground to pick on just to satisfy your own overinflated egos.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

I will decline that offer on the grounds that you are not trustworthy. Integrity escapes you. Not to mention that you have been insulting once again.

Your CFs are only good as long as they benefit you. As soon as they don't, you will find a reason to break it.

Besides the fact that I will not leave another kingdom hang out to dry just to take the easy route. Easy is what you do, not us. We fought hard for every single honor point, for every war win and even for the war losses. And you know that, we warred you.

Don't get me wrong you aren't the only kingdom that behaves like this. You just made the top of the list so fast because you do it more often than others and as a ranking kingdom you should lead by example. I think it's sad that you waste so much potential that your players have on foul play when you wouldn't need to do that.

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im not insulting you by any means - you have no idea on how diplo works, and you have quickly demonstrated this by confirming you dont know the difference between an eoacf and a blank cf..

also, thanks for admitting you have been working with ss on this double hostility, so they cant get away with blaming you..

once again, your kd will suffer because of your shortcomings and stubbornness..

Typical... How dare you stand up to me? I am the Mighty FS. Noone opposes me! Now you will face my wrath! Got anything new?

Unlike you my help comes without strings. SS didn't ask me to hit you. That was my decision. A decision I stand by. I saw what happened. Talked to them and talked to you.

Plus don't forget I have been in their shoes. I know how your "diplomacy" works. And to all those that haven't felt their "style" rest assured it'll be your turn eventually.

But you know what really prompted me to step in today after so many times not doing anything?
I was helping to mediate between two kingdoms. A bigger kingdom(50kish acres) and a smaller one (20kish acres). The bigger one had hit the smaller one for a couple of days and they refused to answer mails or accept the cf. When I wrote to the kingdom their answer was that they had been fed on by bigger kingdoms so they were just trying to gain back what they lost. They now have a cf without further hits. But it was then that I decided this has to stop, right now.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

Unlike you my help comes without strings. SS didn't ask me to hit you. That was my decision. A decision I stand by. I saw what happened. Talked to them and talked to you.

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unsuccessful spinning techniques.. im sure ss decided to stall any diplo/cf attempts and get into this retal war all by themselves all in a sudden.. this is an obvious teamwork in a 2v1 situation..

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

Plus don't forget I have been in their shoes. I know how your "diplomacy" works. And to all those that haven't felt their "style" rest assured it'll be your turn eventually.

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'We shall continue with learns and massacres on you until now you offer CF ;) remember since you are bigger you will lose far more than we will.' - remember this line, mirana? you thought we are helpless behind declaration range, and tried to force our hand but it blew in your hands.. again, im sure its our fault that, you have no idea how to get a cf, and you have no idea how declaration mechanics work..

and again i will remind you that that message was the 3rd one sent and AFTER I already sent a cf and you just kept hitting without response. Just like you didn't answer SS's mails. And the mails were read, your monarch was online. And before you say again you didn't receive any...the game is set up as monarchy, if you want to receive the mails then have your kingdom give you monarchy. But until that happens the current monarch will always be the one that is addressed and he is the one that represents your kingdom.

I already said that I messed up and didn't stop before giving button. So not sure what point you are trying to make there. I never claimed to be above making mistakes.
I make mistakes all the time, but this is not one of those times. I may know a little more about the game than you think...maybe ;)

The only reason you are still even debating this is BECAUSE you know you are wrong, and BECAUSE you see it blew up in your face.

Actually its beeing debated cause we dont like liars flinging mud on our shiny kd name.

Have your fun for now.

there is still drama ongoing?

Its Christmas time. Have some egg nog.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

so apparently we aren't allowed to discuss FS' behavior in the forum cause the thread was closed. So you may want to close this one as well . Wouldn't want anyone to know that the ones calling others dodgers themselves are dodging war.

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Or...the close button is right above the post button, but whatever floats your boat ;)

sorry Palem, I should have known you wouldn't close a thread just to protect FS reputation that's losing it's lackluster.

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

sorry Palem, I should have known you wouldn't close a thread just to protect FS reputation that's losing it's lackluster.

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so FS is gaining luster, eh?

drama before xmas is always interesting :D

FS is definitely gaining something :) see it as a Christmas present. Merry Christmas!

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

FS is definitely gaining something :) see it as a Christmas present. Merry Christmas!

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Happy holidays :D

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

FS is definitely gaining something :) see it as a Christmas present. Merry Christmas!

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Yay! Merry X'mas. :D