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17-08-2017, 15:48
noobs

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Originally Posted by coss

We already had @ 300 k gc stocked per province. Elite on human at 115% BE with 20% arms in prosperous is 390 gc/elite or so. You can do your calculation on your own for rest I guess

coss, why bother with logic? Haters gonna hate no matter what.
17-08-2017, 15:52
Goodwitch

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Originally Posted by Shai

We havent changed anything in our nattative. How many times do I need to say this: We came OOP on 0 offense with soldiers and gc stocked. right OOP we stole gc from inactives with our 2-2.5 tpa that we had on every province, released 500 def specs for more soldiers (those that stole enough gc to retrain 500 def specs to elites on top of their stored soldiers), entered prosperous stance and put between 700-1300 elites in training depending on how much u stole. That made us look like a weak opponent and easy farm OOP, but anyone taking proper intel and doing some maths could figure out we would have 1500 elites 12h later and 2k 24h later and so on. And we had stables, rax and tgs build already so it was clear we would be fight ready after 12h. To us 8:6 seemed like a cocky ghetto thinking they could farm us cause they had offense OOP and we not and they couldnt see 24h ahead. Should we not war someone in range OOP that taunt us because they cant see the long term picture?

We werent afraid to enter war cause we could night strike them to hell right away and hit their all solider inactives after a few hours as offense came in. Its a strategic choice. Nowhere does it say you have to have offense right when you enter war. We had kickass tpa to use right away. We chose a strategy that gave us all elite offense right away (with better econ then going with more spec army). Several kds have used that strategy before OOP, its not news. We were in no hurry to go all off specs and into a slugfest right OOP cause human sages suck at that. Like Coss said. If you know strategy you know the advantages of our choice.

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Originally Posted by coss

For everyone talking sh!t in here:

We have nothing to do with this. We reported it to David ourselves and stopped hitting them. I hope admins do the right thing and stop the war soon cause these noobs(aka barta apparently) are just being a pain in the a$$ and try to do ops and do abducts. It is no interest for us to farm anyone and asked David to remove all the land we took:

- Traditional march: 56 (881 acres)

Overall this hurts us more than it helps us as soon as we do not benefit from Prosperous stance and we released quite some troops to get in war range.

Hope this clears things out for now and owners of the game solve this asap!

PS: not 100% sure it's bart who did this but if it's him he should be banned from joining this game again, and same should happen to anyone that is destroying this game and the fun for others!

that's just one. Other changes include it was some random nub kingdom and you thought, why not. You thought it was a kingdom that gave you a hard time last age and you were going to give them a lesson.
On the other hand, and you didn't say that, it could have simply been a friendly willing kingdom lending a helping hand because you wanted to avoid a real war?

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Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

You talking about 7:6 vs 8:6?

I only know they rejected a genuine war invitation from 6:6. They claimed they can whore more than 5k acres without going into OOP war which doesn't benefit them. Next thing I know, they are in WAR. Wonder who they are? Definitely a whoring kingdom perhaps with a spy planted in 8:6. Seem like one of the Bart favorite move

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Originally Posted by coss

As it turned to be a "farmout war" and we do not hit and will probably be pushed out naked in the big bad world do you think it benefits us?

They hit us 3x and started to send cheese messages about how we are hiding under NW difference not to get raped and sh!t like that. Ofc we went for it to rape their a$$es. Or we should just eat the hits from them and not go for war where we can crush em easy as soon as we were sitting on 3 tpa raw? I don't think this game should become something where a smaller kd can do hits and make fun of a bigger kd and the big one to just swallow hits and jokes afraid of not being sanctioned cause some noobs think it's fun to destroy it for others. For what it's worth, the war from a technical point of view is legit. If we decided to report it and stop hits till it's resolved that's another story.

IF you were gaining so much in this war and it was a legit war as coss claims, why even report it at all? If it was a legit war, what exactly did you report it for?
"Hey big daddy the utopian monster may play in this kingdom we have a legit war with and might later on claim it was fake"?

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Originally Posted by coss

We stopped hits AFTER speaking with David.

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Originally Posted by Shai

We came OOP on zero offense so of course it wasnt planned. To us, it looked like a ghetto trying to get easy acres by hitting and offering war to a kd with 0 offense all across the kd. Of course we trained some off OOP (elites) with stocked sols/gc and planned to train alot the coming 24h in prosperous stance and pump build.

We figured we would get hit OOP and explored land the hour before coming OOP to cover the land we expected to lose, hoping to get a few buttons to use once trained up. That some ghetto comes and hit our faeries together with another kd and offers war seemed like a better version of staying oow pumping and getting buttons (in this scenario we got a button/war right away, lose some land first day and take it back the next day then pump in eowcf instead of prosperous stance).

Unfortunately it turned out to be Bart possibly wanting to chartshape or just mess with the game/admins, which I was told by friends after the declaration. We then tried to get in contact with admins to get advice on what to do (holding hits while getting an answer) and Coss told David that he didnt mind getting the war nullified and the acres taken in the war retracted (which in total would mean we lose out as we lost the chance to robb inactives OOP with our 2-2.5 raw tpa and pump cheap elites). Once 8:6 started hitting us again upon their troops returning, we started hitting back as we arent planning on getting set back cause someone offers us a war.

Doubt anyone else would have acted differently.

The admins can also easily read the ingame messages between coss and the monarch of 8:6 (Bart?), plus there is witnesses in 8:6 that can attest to the fact we had no idea who it was and that this wasnt planned. It just turned bad as the story of 8:6 unfolded.

I know how it looks from the outside thou so I dont judge anyone for crying foul play. I would had cried fw too if I just looked at it from the outside having no inside information. Hopefully the issue is resolved by the admins soon as we dont want this to taint our age.

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Originally Posted by Shai

If you took an sn you can also see we couldn't even hit for the first 2-3h of war. We did train 2 tpa on the whole KD for oop and released 500 def specs and trained 800-1300 elites first hour in prosperous stance oop with gc we stocked and stole plus soldiers we saved up.

Then we got hit and got the war offer.

After 2-3h of war we nsed their all soldier and no thieves inactives provs and hit them on land def. After 5-6h we got offense to hit their suicide attackers on 4K def. Hardly very impressive first day of war but better than nothing.

I'm sure admins will look into it and make the right decision. And as I said in my previous post; Can't blame people for thinking it looks suspicious cause it does. But if you know me and Coss you know we would never set up a farm war.

Still haters gonna hate and trolls gonna troll but everyone I have talked to so far understand the situation and don't think we did anything wrong and that's enough for me. As long as my friends believe us I'm good

so glad y'all agree on how the story went...
17-08-2017, 16:02
Judge

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Originally Posted by Goodwitch

that's just one. Other changes include it was some random nub kingdom and you thought, why not. You thought it was a kingdom that gave you a hard time last age and you were going to give them a lesson.
On the other hand, and you didn't say that, it could have simply been a friendly willing kingdom lending a helping hand because you wanted to avoid a real war?

IF you were gaining so much in this war and it was a legit war as coss claims, why even report it at all? If it was a legit war, what exactly did you report it for?
"Hey big daddy the utopian monster may play in this kingdom we have a legit war with and might later on claim it was fake"?

so glad y'all agree on how the story went...

Are you just Dumb or Dumber?

The post clearly states that They were waiting for admin to react. But after seeing this in forums 8:6 made additional hits to which they went ahead and started hitting again.

1) They came oop with a very legit strat with humans
2) They stole gcs and had massive elites in training
3) They got a few hits on them and they offered war to which it was accepted.
4) They entered war and started to NS their soldiers till their offence came in.
5) They understood from IRC that this is bart with some proof(?)
6) They reported this to the admins/mods and were waiting for some legit outcome
7) 8:6 then went ahead and made some hits and this actually led to Sleepy making more hits from their end which they had initially stopped.

Is it so easy for you to NOT UNDERSTAND basic sentences?

Your only point is them releasing 500 soldiers to get in war range or train elites. So yes its definitely a bait move to get buttons as people will hit you on low defence.

Like Coss said. YOU & Strategy are 2 different things!
17-08-2017, 16:04
Korp

Might as well ignore Goodwitch, shes on a crusade against "top people" and she will do anything to land a punch.
17-08-2017, 16:29
StratOcastle

I noticed a lot of kingdoms don't even have a drama strat.

At least I've been working on my standard diplomatic rebuttal:

~ And then suddenly your head falls off and poop comes out like soft serve ~
17-08-2017, 17:17
Judge

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Originally Posted by Korp

Might as well ignore Goodwitch, shes on a crusade against "top people" and she will do anything to land a punch.

Is this my Lucky day that we both are agreeing on things?
17-08-2017, 17:24
MrCurious

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Originally Posted by Fenith

Tricking noobs into a farmwar oop may be ****ty but hardly cheating.

I guess the problem is that theres too much to gain from farmwars. Its pretty easy to cause one and its hard to action them as fake wars without somewhat arbitrary actioning.

Zomg.... who let you out ?! :)
17-08-2017, 17:26
MrCurious

I will have to agree with Korp, however much it hurts :)
Goodwitch is talking out of her ass. It gets old real fast.

@Goodwitch you have no idea what happened here, that is a fact. Why do you insist on using your own theories as some kind of universal truth? They are just that, unsupported speculations.

You are arguing with ppl who actually play in the kd in question - its a loosing battle.

Let the admins decide and stop ranting pls.

And no i dont play with coss/shai/freaka
17-08-2017, 17:46
Goodwitch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judge

Are you just Dumb or Dumber?

The post clearly states that They were waiting for admin to react. But after seeing this in forums 8:6 made additional hits to which they went ahead and started hitting again.

1) They came oop with a very legit strat with humans
2) They stole gcs and had massive elites in training
3) They got a few hits on them and they offered war to which it was accepted.
4) They entered war and started to NS their soldiers till their offence came in.
5) They understood from IRC that this is bart with some proof(?)
6) They reported this to the admins/mods and were waiting for some legit outcome
7) 8:6 then went ahead and made some hits and this actually led to Sleepy making more hits from their end which they had initially stopped.

Is it so easy for you to NOT UNDERSTAND basic sentences?

Your only point is them releasing 500 soldiers to get in war range or train elites. So yes its definitely a bait move to get buttons as people will hit you on low defence.

Like Coss said. YOU & Strategy are 2 different things!

(holding hits while getting an answer) ...that one does

Quote Originally Posted by coss :
We stopped hits AFTER speaking with David...this one doesn't.

speaking with someone is something different than sending a message and waiting for a reply. Just like pressing the button is different than proposing war. Just like a random nub kingdom with a big mouth and a kingdom they had beef with from last age are very different. Just like planning to drop 500 def specs to train elites and dropping 500 def specs to get into war range are different, same effect different motivation. Just like claiming it's a legit war and reporting it as fake war are different.
I am not saying it's fake or it's not fake. But if you want people to believe your narrative at least get your stories straight.

@korp..why should he if you won't? I was almost proud of you for something productive you posted earlier, how disappointing that it was a fleeting thing. I speak up for fairness and for what I think is good for the game. Really not concerned with who disagrees with me, I don't come here to lick boots in return for favors.
17-08-2017, 17:57
Korp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwitch

(holding hits while getting an answer) ...that one does

Quote Originally Posted by coss :
We stopped hits AFTER speaking with David...this one doesn't.

speaking with someone is something different than sending a message and waiting for a reply. Just like pressing the button is different than proposing war. Just like a random nub kingdom with a big mouth and a kingdom they had beef with from last age are very different. Just like planning to drop 500 def specs to train elites and dropping 500 def specs to get into war range are different, same effect different motivation. Just like claiming it's a legit war and reporting it as fake war are different.
I am not saying it's fake or it's not fake. But if you want people to believe your narrative at least get your stories straight.

@korp..why should he if you won't? I was almost proud of you for something productive you posted earlier, how disappointing that it was a fleeting thing. I speak up for fairness and for what I think is good for the game. Really not concerned with who disagrees with me, I don't come here to lick boots in return for favors.

Fairness? You are nitpicking. You think trying to bash people that did eseentially the right thing is good for the game? You think spewing out lies about how the top operates feeding people that dont have any clue your delusions about how the top works a good thing? You have a very twisted sense of what is good for the game.

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that's just one. Other changes include it was some random nub kingdom and you thought, why not. You thought it was a kingdom that gave you a hard time last age and you were going to give them a lesson.
On the other hand, and you didn't say that, it could have simply been a friendly willing kingdom lending a helping hand because you wanted to avoid a real war?

Take here for example that you are unable to understand the context. Shai is describing their strat and coss was describing their actions in the situation. You cant compare apples with pears.

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IF you were gaining so much in this war and it was a legit war as coss claims, why even report it at all? If it was a legit war, what exactly did you report it for?
"Hey big daddy the utopian monster may play in this kingdom we have a legit war with and might later on claim it was fake"?

So I guess if you suspect a something afool you would just ignore it and grab as much acres as you can? Pretty ironic consider how you try to bash all the top kds..

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so glad y'all agree on how the story went...

Yet again unable to grasp context. coss is describing outcomes from their strategy.

So essentially nothing that you write contradicts their claims.

Also, you are biased nothing that you write is off worth.
17-08-2017, 18:10
Fenith

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Originally Posted by MrCurious

Zomg.... who let you out ?! :)

I dont know! But its really mean :(
17-08-2017, 18:12
freaka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judge

Are you just Dumb or Dumber?

The post clearly states that They were waiting for admin to react. But after seeing this in forums 8:6 made additional hits to which they went ahead and started hitting again.

1) They came oop with a very legit strat with humans
2) They stole gcs and had massive elites in training
3) They got a few hits on them and they offered war to which it was accepted.
4) They entered war and started to NS their soldiers till their offence came in.
5) They understood from IRC that this is bart with some proof(?)
6) They reported this to the admins/mods and were waiting for some legit outcome
7) 8:6 then went ahead and made some hits and this actually led to Sleepy making more hits from their end which they had initially stopped.

Is it so easy for you to NOT UNDERSTAND basic sentences?

Your only point is them releasing 500 soldiers to get in war range or train elites. So yes its definitely a bait move to get buttons as people will hit you on low defence.

Like Coss said. YOU & Strategy are 2 different things!

Dude, I don't know you, I don't know where you from, I don't even care, but I like you!
You have brains and you use them wisely!
17-08-2017, 18:52
Judge

Quote:

Originally Posted by freaka

Dude, I don't know you, I don't know where you from, I don't even care, but I like you!
You have brains and you use them wisely!

We were the first ones to use this strategy successfully (lately)

I was just part of leadership then but i guess it was dorje/asf/zerocool behind that strat (I was in Emeriti then). I am not sure if Binar and Proteus were in then.
17-08-2017, 18:53
Judge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwitch

(holding hits while getting an answer) ...that one does

Quote Originally Posted by coss :
We stopped hits AFTER speaking with David...this one doesn't.

speaking with someone is something different than sending a message and waiting for a reply. Just like pressing the button is different than proposing war. Just like a random nub kingdom with a big mouth and a kingdom they had beef with from last age are very different. Just like planning to drop 500 def specs to train elites and dropping 500 def specs to get into war range are different, same effect different motivation. Just like claiming it's a legit war and reporting it as fake war are different.
I am not saying it's fake or it's not fake. But if you want people to believe your narrative at least get your stories straight.

@korp..why should he if you won't? I was almost proud of you for something productive you posted earlier, how disappointing that it was a fleeting thing. I speak up for fairness and for what I think is good for the game. Really not concerned with who disagrees with me, I don't come here to lick boots in return for favors.

Seriously My doubts are getting clearer and clearer for the first sentence I made on my previous post!
17-08-2017, 19:57
StratOcastle

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Originally Posted by Judge

We were the first ones to use this strategy successfully (lately)

I was just part of leadership then but i guess it was dorje/asf/zerocool behind that strat (I was in Emeriti then). I am not sure if Binar and Proteus were in then.

That's it. My recollection was Godly disliked that strat; found it risky.

@ Goodwitch. It's ok,. Maintain the Drama Beams! ZZZZZAP! - One could argue that anything the top does is conducted, not unlike wrestling. Yes, I made the wrestling comparo again.

My belief in what they do is irrelevant, but I expect them to keep up appearances. Generally that's what I'll be interested in, regarding top mingling.
17-08-2017, 22:54
joeblogs

Wait can someone clarify this "trained 900-1300 elites" on 23 humans. Can anyone math that with prosperous and let's say max arms to give benefit of the doubt. Then we can arrive at roughly what figure was robbed (call it figure X), excluding explore costs (Y), oh and draft costs (D), oh and random factor in finding that many fat targets (call that ???). I wish to employ this genius strat every OOP from now on and get 5th place EOA.

Are we still drinking this cool aid?....

EDIT -

Mathed -

900gc
540gc fort
351gc fort/max arms

351 x 1k x 23 = 8m

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Run down on events

8 million robbed OOP
Got war with 0 offence trained
Ghetto KD overpowered by 0 offence strat and WD
Profit

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Clearly this is very legitimate and not a fake war at all.
17-08-2017, 23:41
Mike^

well i robbed 400k oop and i only spend 50% stealth and was on a merly 600 thifs on 400 acers, so seems easy.
18-08-2017, 00:28
skoyl12

You should also add exploration costs for 10k acres. That should be 1.5 mill more
It seems all inactives this age landed on island 6
18-08-2017, 01:20
Vasp

Still no ban?

So whats the going rate for crowining this age? Can anyone in sleepy tell me?
18-08-2017, 01:28
JusticeLeague

Bart is playing in 7:6. Not 8:6.
So who is the rogue monarch in 8:6 who present the war offer to 7:6?

Matija?
18-08-2017, 01:51
Vasp

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

Bart is playing in 7:6. Not 8:6.
So who is the rogue monarch in 8:6 who present the war offer to 7:6?

Matija?

Cant be matija, im playing with matija.
18-08-2017, 02:11
JusticeLeague

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vasp

Cant be matija, im playing with matija.

OMG, Spartan network so wide. Last age is Spartan 1 and Spartan 2. Now got Spartan3 also?
18-08-2017, 03:23
zaza945

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

Bart is playing in 7:6. Not 8:6.
So who is the rogue monarch in 8:6 who present the war offer to 7:6?

Matija?

Bart is 8:6 monarch. And all of your "math" skills are horrible. They came oop with gc on hand (human sage makes good income if you didn't math that one out yet) and 2.5 tpa robs gc very effectively if you didn't know that too.
18-08-2017, 03:31
joeblogs

Quote:

Originally Posted by zaza945

Bart is 8:6 monarch. And all of your "math" skills are horrible. They came oop with gc on hand (human sage makes good income if you didn't math that one out yet) and 2.5 tpa robs gc very effectively if you didn't know that too.

Impossible. Human SAGE who explored in pro comes OOP with 2.5 rtpa (equal to rogue starting buff) + draft + dspec train and has enough GC with minimal robs to train 900-1300 elites? Show me how that is even remotely feasible on 1x prov - then show me it on 23x....

So math me that please.

Point being that they didn't train said elites pre war and did in war - which is another FW sign OR they robbed mass multis for cash and took the farm war to train safely on zero def.
18-08-2017, 03:47
coss

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeblogs

Impossible. Human SAGE who explored in pro comes OOP with 2.5 rtpa (equal to rogue starting buff) + draft + dspec train and has enough GC with minimal robs to train 900-1300 elites? Show me how that is even remotely feasible on 1x prov - then show me it on 23x....

So math me that please.

Point being that they didn't train said elites pre war and did in war - which is another FW sign OR they robbed mass multis for cash and took the farm war to train safely on zero def.

I personally robbed @ 30-40k gc/op when went OOP. What you miss is that we had low NW due to lack of troops and that we explore 1-2 hours before exit fort so tpa calcs are based on 400-420 acres and not 600. And there were quite a lot of people with gc OOP, inactives and not. I know one mate found a guy on 800k gc and stole over 500k from him. On top of it we made @ 40k gc/hour when we exit protection, don;t exactly remember how much it was when age started but I believe @ 23k and went up slow till we reached 40k. That is NET income, after the draft costs.

All I know is that we had more gc than we had soldiers for training:)

Now, redo your math pls.
18-08-2017, 03:49
zaza945

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeblogs

Impossible. Human SAGE who explored in pro comes OOP with 2.5 rtpa (equal to rogue starting buff) + draft + dspec train and has enough GC with minimal robs to train 900-1300 elites? Show me how that is even remotely feasible on 1x prov - then show me it on 23x....

So math me that please.

Point being that they didn't train said elites pre war and did in war - which is another FW sign OR they robbed mass multis for cash and took the farm war to train safely on zero def.

Man. you are delusional. How is training elites in war a sign of a fake war. 8:6 (my kd) had 10+ inactives with gc to rob, you think they were planted by 7:6 as multis...?

7:6's humans came oop with 250k+ gc on hand. Thats ~600 elites in prosperity depending on arms. Each one of them could have easily robbed another ~250k gc for another ~600 elites from either our kd or others on the island. And as shai said, they had between 700-1.3k, not all on 1.3k...
18-08-2017, 04:05
joeblogs

Yeah sure, this story has so many plot holes. If you're going to have a FW then don't say anything on the forums, it will work better. Lie poorly and you'll always look guilty. Make up stats that don't add up, and you'll get caught out.

And you're missing the point of my argument. Those stats were provided as evidence to show that this wasn't a fake war - the reality is that they're not credible OR only possible if the exact perfect circumstances occurred (which again is beyond belief).

2.5 rtpa train on human sages (what does this cost if exploring?)
Explore costs ( figure?)
Draft ( figure ?)
Then now 600 or 900 or 1300 elites trained pre war OR in war (what does this cost)

If you seriously think a KD can do all that in 24-36 hours from age start then you're dreaming. Show me how that is possible on 23x provs!!!!

This farm out early age stuff is so boring. What's the incentive for the rest of the community to use strategy and skill to play the game when this happens. Devs should action it.
18-08-2017, 04:17
Korp

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Originally Posted by joeblogs

Yeah sure, this story has so many plot holes. If you're going to have a FW then don't say anything on the forums, it will work better. Lie poorly and you'll always look guilty. Make up stats that don't add up, and you'll get caught out. I mean you could always finish 5th again if you keep this up.

And it seems to be when you have poor grasp of math and game strategy it's easier to scream cheating. The fact that you don't chose to even bother arguing anymore shows how wrong you are
18-08-2017, 04:20
joeblogs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korp

And it seems to be when you have poor grasp of math and game strategy it's easier to scream cheating. The fact that you don't chose to even bother arguing anymore shows how wrong you are

Mate show me the numbers please - seriously show me.
18-08-2017, 04:26
Korp

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeblogs

Mate show me the numbers please - seriously show me.

It's been explained to you a couple of times already can't help that you can't take in the information.
18-08-2017, 04:32
coss

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeblogs

What's the incentive for the rest of the community to use strategy and skill to play the game when this happens. Devs should action it.

If you call strategy to train your credits, exit protection and hit left and right without any final goal then I am proud I am thinking beyond that:)
18-08-2017, 04:34
Binar

Don't push it now coss
18-08-2017, 04:37
coss

Quote:

Originally Posted by Binar

Don't push it now coss

I am growing tired of couple of people here that don;t know to do basic calculations. And push what Binar?
18-08-2017, 04:40
joeblogs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korp

It's been explained to you a couple of times already can't help that you can't take in the information.

Classic hand ball comment. Supporting evidence has to support. Gg mate
18-08-2017, 05:07
Korp

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeblogs

Classic hand ball comment. Supporting evidence has to support. Gg mate

Unlike you "it's impossible they must be cheating!!!!!!"
18-08-2017, 06:00
JusticeLeague

Early 6k Lead...

Rank

1
Unnamed kingdom (7:6) Islia
24,987 acres

2
S U P E R F R I E N D S (2:1) Astel
18,246 acres
18-08-2017, 06:05
coss

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

Early 6k Lead...

Rank

1
Unnamed kingdom (7:6) Islia
24,987 acres

2
S U P E R F R I E N D S (2:1) Astel
18,246 acres

I'd be happy if it was like that but most kds under us didn't explore yet. We did explore;)
18-08-2017, 07:27
Persain

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeblogs

Classic hand ball comment. Supporting evidence has to support. Gg mate

training 2.5 tpa as a human sage costs on 400 acre costs 500k million gc. Explore costs are ~200k gc for 200 acres. Traing 1k leets cost....486k

Leet cost=900gc per leet, propepersous *0.6, minimal arms for 10% cheaper=486 gc/leet
Explore cost 1000/acre=200k
Tpa cost 500/theif, 400 acres 2.5 tpa= 500k gc

Econ
Raw Income = (2.75 * Employed Peasants) + (2.75/3 * Unemployed Peasants) + (0.5 * Prisoners) + (Banks * 25 * BE)
Modified Income = Raw Income * Plague * Riots * Bank % Bonus * Income Sci * Honor Income Mod
* Race Mod * Personality Mod * Dragon

10,000 peasnts-3000 dspecs training -1000 theives-1000 solds for explore=6000 peasents

Raw Income =2.75*6000+ 140*25=20000
Modified Income=20000 raw*1.3race*(1+0.225 science*1.3sage)* 1.32815 banks=44632 gc/tick

Assume 8 ticks of that after buildings come in we get 357k gc.

We want "on hand" gc of 1000 leets+explore costs of 200k or roughly 486k+200k= 686k gc.

686-357=329k gc stolen at oop.

AT 15k/op thats 21 theif ops of stealing.
AT 3 stealth/op thats 63% stealth. 10% stealth u cant use. 100-63-10=27.
They each could do 27 sot's looking for gc and then steal 15k/gc per op.

The only question then is can u afford 2.5 tpa worth of theives with initial gc and your first 16 hours of econ.
you Start with 300k gc and need to spend 500k on theives. Or do you generate 200k gc in the first 16 hours of protection. That i cant give exact #'s but you need to earn <12.5k gc/tick an i was earning like 10k as a feary so i'd say easily yes.
18-08-2017, 07:43
freaka

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Originally Posted by Persain

training 2.5 tpa as a human sage costs on 400 acre costs 500k million gc. Explore costs are ~200k gc for 200 acres. Traing 1k leets cost....486k

Leet cost=900gc per leet, propepersous *0.6, minimal arms for 10% cheaper=486 gc/leet
Explore cost 1000/acre=200k
Tpa cost 500/theif, 400 acres 2.5 tpa= 500k gc

Econ
Raw Income = (2.75 * Employed Peasants) + (2.75/3 * Unemployed Peasants) + (0.5 * Prisoners) + (Banks * 25 * BE)
Modified Income = Raw Income * Plague * Riots * Bank % Bonus * Income Sci * Honor Income Mod
* Race Mod * Personality Mod * Dragon

10,000 peasnts-3000 dspecs training -1000 theives-1000 solds for explore=6000 peasents

Raw Income =2.75*6000+ 140*25=20000
Modified Income=20000 raw*1.3race*(1+0.225 science*1.3sage)* 1.32815 banks=44632 gc/tick

Assume 8 ticks of that after buildings come in we get 357k gc.

We want "on hand" gc of 1000 leets+explore costs of 200k or roughly 486k+200k= 686k gc.

686-357=329k gc stolen at oop.

AT 15k/op thats 21 theif ops of stealing.
AT 3 stealth/op thats 63% stealth. 10% stealth u cant use. 100-63-10=27.
They each could do 27 sot's looking for gc and then steal 15k/gc per op.

The only question then is can u afford 2.5 tpa worth of theives with initial gc and your first 16 hours of econ.
you Start with 300k gc and need to spend 500k on theives. Or do you generate 200k gc in the first 16 hours of protection. That i cant give exact #'s but you need to earn <12.5k gc/tick an i was earning like 10k as a feary so i'd say easily yes.

1. we stole between 20k and 40k gc / op from inactives - cuz of lack of specs / leets - nw was low (we were around 30 rank in nw oop), and there were plenty inactives on the island.
2. our income was 25k-35k gc / h oop - and happily building banks for Prosperus.
18-08-2017, 08:52
sexual harassment panda

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Originally Posted by protector

Imagine the sh*tstorm you'd have by now if this was BB declaring war on ghetto!

You crazy? Nothing would happen. You've already established you can dealbreak Sparta unprovoked and nothing will happen to you diplomatically.

Now, imagine if it was mango last age. We actually did get GBed for less.

Anyway, strangely enough I do believe coss in this even though this is something he's done in the past. He might be next level tricking everyone, but this seems like a Bart thing to do by being so over-the-top to force dev's hands. Though I don't think actual farm wars are illegal. This is a bit of the gray area when it comes to actioning wars and determining fakeness of it. It seems like the MO of a ghetto now could be when they stuck in a farm war not attack and cry to the devs to get kicked out of the war. I didn't read the whole thread so can anyone fill me in on how the ww happened? Did Bart surrender or did the devs do it? If so, did sleepy get the full ww bonus? Will sleepy raze off their acres?

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