CR had advantage all age in every way, so yes. And pyro should not raze acres because they walked out of the GB they should raze acres because they took acres in a gb and that should never be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABSLover
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CR had advantage all age in every way, so yes. And pyro should not raze acres because they walked out of the GB they should raze acres because they took acres in a gb and that should never be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABSLover
This is what happens when you claim to represent something that you do not, and claim to understand something when you can not. I was the initiator of the FairPlay idea the founders the other core council being; Webmaster, Tox, cJ, Binar, Nesta. I came up with the idea after what happened to Rage last Age. When the alliance then decided to go rouge and ban, flame, etc me they should've been asking themselves why I would go to such extreme lengths to hold my position. The situation I warned of is now playing out in front of our eyes. Perhaps in the future people will not be so hasty in their decisions, attempts to grab power, and administer and lead things they do not understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Funny I had a solution to the entire situation like 4 mins after I knew GB started and would've saved you all face and accomplished what you wanted and you was to blind to see it. GG. Enjoy the fruits of your labors, you wanted to prove a point so now prove it and see who supports you. I mean when you're right you're right and it should be easy to get people to defend you. When you do things like GB, you better make sure you know what your doing. When you attempt to grab power, you might want to be careful who you alienate and have working against you.
Dont know why you guys argue. After our war with Rage most like we will declare Pyro for keep it fair. There wont be other kd war all top kds this age so don't QQ about it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Anri
So AMA takes hits from a total of 12 kingdoms during war, loses 60k+ acres, has 5 provs PKed and RBL still needs HELP? Jeez how bad are these guys, no wonder they needed to ally 2/3 of the top this age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
AMA got 6-7 waves on you because you refused to make diplo and instead stop hitting us and tried to organize GB instead. If you were a reasonable person you would just make diplo and get cf much sooner but instead you wanted us to be gb when we do nothing wrong. In fact you were the one who did something wrong when you 2v1ed pyro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
And no we did not 'police' you for a 2v1 on pyro, we hit you because you were NOT hostile and an open target because you can't claim hostile protection when you 2v1 someone. There was no coordination between AMA or RPP to 'action' simians and as matter of fact RBL/fake rage wanted to 2v1 us into that conflict and we're mad that we hit you. Get your facts straight.
Simians has been extremely dirty this age and has been wanting to gb AMA since the moment age started as demonstrated by your leaked pastebin logs with RPP, you are just jumping into this fight now because you see it as your only chance to try and hurt us because you can't do so 1v1.
FYI we weren't doing this to steal the crown, you cant 'steal' crown with 4 week to go until EOA so yo ucan get GB for those 4 weeks, we did this to punish havoc and show lame play was not tolerated. No one expected to winfrom it or to not be gbed. The only thing we did not expect was for your ghetto group to be so unreasonable and demand that we essentially raze down our entire kd, this is exactly what I told you in pm it is one thing to 'punish' someone and to stop a play ylu don't believe in but there is such a thing as going too far which is what you are doing now and why Pyro stepped out of the gb...
Ama was around 160k before dealbreak. So they have lost around 30k? Where does 60k come from?
CR are same size as before dealbreak - we haven't gained anything and lost important cow acres to core.
Pyro gained 15k from gangbang - mostly important cow acres.
Please use correct numbers.
I cant beleive all the extensive whining from AMA over getting gbed, the moment you broke deal to wave Havoc you lost every right to complain, every right to have banks, every right to be in any position at all.
Funny that you say you will declare Pyro next. Its part of the deal i bet. GG
160k before db, 192k after db, 132k after gb :)
Also Pyro had time to explore so they grew around 20-30k acres.
You tell 'em munk!Quote:
Originally Posted by munk
Seems to be a pretty lame move from pyros. Putting aside who is actually in the right or wrong, it's either you feel that the gb is justified or not. If you feel that you are indeed promoting fair play then you are justified to keep the acres (at least to yourself), if not you admitted that the gb is a mistake (how do you justify keep all those acres?). Pulling out and leaving other kds to fend for themselves simply leaves a bad taste.
This is even if you feel that the actions so far (pk of 5 provs) are justifiable but the fair play alliance is going too far (asking for additional razes) and want out. Working under this assumption, the least that can be done is to make sure that the button gets reset between all kds. Ama should have a choice to go after rbl but the only reason ama got a button on them is because of the 5pks (which you feel is justified) so at the very least the button should be reset. Simply making a side deal for yourself just doesn't seems right. You can't simply have it all ways.
Pyro obviosly felt like 4 cow hits was a fair trade :)
Next age should be a fun one atleast!
I wasn't suggesting they raze during their war. But how is it fair that one kd is allowed to benefit from a GB and another is not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
This is why people have a problem with your Fair Play alliance. Your "fair play" is bogus.
At the end all will gain but Anri and AMA :).
Ever heard of getting involved in something to make a point, defend what you think is right and then when you see that all other parties in GB are not concern with fair play/make things right but completely detroy AMA and impose their will on them + seek to humiliate they realize it does not align their goal and drop out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puff
It all goes back to how much push back is too much? You might want to think about Germany's reparations after WWI compared to Japan being allowed to maintain emperor after WWII. One was excessive where other was not.
It all depends on how you define Fair Play. But like I've told other people often lately, this is what Uto used to be about. Not all of the patty cake, peekaboo agreements and deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
It was more of an evolving situation than a clear-cut, act/react conclusion...the goals of the GB became more abusive as the diplomacy became complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puff
I can make a vague comparison to a real life scenario like US Iraq War...in which the US justified action under a "War on Terror" starting with 9/11. Unfortunately Time did tell that it was a mistake and if we allow programs like this to go beyond the scope of its original purpose...then Pyro will be just another top kd seeing someone else just to get scarce acres.
This thread has beaten the old thread record by 20+ pages, ill be damned.
LoUD NOISES!
Jesus it's a ****ing gb. When is a gb not a gb? Own that it's a blatant gb.
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Originally Posted by Binar
Its true but its "fair play" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by noobium
twist it all you want too, its fair when a dealbreaker gets raped for dealbreaking, its not much more to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
We offered ways out, but you choose to not take them and continue to fight, there is no mercy for you no matter how much you cry and moan. I GB you in the name of allah or in the name of jesus or because i ****ing feel like punish a dealbreaking scumbag. It is more then fair that you get what you deserve and its more then FAIR game that someone that orders his full KD to wave and dealbreak gets raped out of the top. This game is way to weak when its time to cry sorrows for dealbreakers. Let it be known that dealbreaks will not be tolerated and dealbreakers will with force get destroyed if they dealbreak. I cant beleive these 110 pages of BS, dealbreaking kds gets no mercy and they should be damn happy we even tried to give them ways out to end this. I am more then happy making AMA the perfect example of what should happen to all dealbreakers.
Now those that claim the ghetto does not get this same kind of luxary, no, that is true, sometimes a top kd tries to help if there is time, but they have to fix things for thier own, with ghetto alliances and sort out thier own issues. Its not up to the top to police the ghettos, we need to police the top with force. Ghettos have always policed things on thier own.
I hope someone steps out of line next age also, because it will be shown all over again what happens when people dealbreak and ****play.
If Simians by any chance would do it, then plz treat us the same way.
Elit, have a good night
Anri you are the last person to talk about morals because simians plays so dirty and ghetto every age, forget what i said but read other posts in here, every time you try to talk about fair play random people not involved in gb who are not trolls laugh at you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
You did not offer any ways out that were actually fair to AMA, all your ways out included razing additional land which even zauper said is not needed if we agree to EOA cf all involved. You are just using this as an opportunity to feel big and powerful because you have never been in a position to actually beat ama 1v1.
Not true, elit did give me button and begged for CF for his misstake. So again, stop making lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus
We could have raped AMA or polarbears or whatever name you prefer.
I also said i am willing to discuss and meet terms, but not when AMA declares KDs and gives us the finger and refuse to sitt down and talk.
We need middlehands that makes sure Elit keeps his word. Then he can get more or less an insta stop. But if he keeps all of this up we will keep fighting til all is dead.
I am also hoping that maybe those that stod by and watched think twice before dealbreak.
I know a friend who keeps a monkey in a clinik ... when the monkey was born it lost every right to use its brain and gained every right to be useless and trow poo at people - the only thing the monkey can do. One poke with a stick and the dumb monkey screams but it does not stop to trow poo till u poke it like 6-7 times. Then the monkey stops but after a while it start throwing poo again to revenge you for poking it with a stick before... True story!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Moral of the story - do not feed drugs to monkeys!
Anri i have a serious question for u. I know Simians has been rnd for quite some time now. My question is in two parts:
-how long has siminans been in the utopian world (in ages)?
- for that time did you ever win something? what and when?
I formerly remove myself from #teamcj
Where Ben goes, I goes. I too resign from #teamcj
#teamBEN FTW!!!!!!
<is a proud member of #teamBEN>
This alone makes me question your actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightmare_
I really hate RL examples, but here's mine:
The old guy in your street gets bashed for no reason, you know who did it and feel they should be touched up!
You find this person and knock him to the ground, then the bashing turns into, lets cut his throat and bury him.
Although one believed a bashing was in order, murder was not.
Our state prisons is full of people you did not say enough is enough because they feared for there own safety and continued to aid in the murder.
What ever comes from this, the next 10 times I have to set my alarm to get up ( which REALLY gets hard with age ), will be a pleasure as I'm proud of our leadership.
I don't think that saying 'hey, there are other people who helped us achieve our aim, let's make sure they don't get hurt for it (because in doing so they had to give up the button)' is advocating for murder.
Pyro was a kd that helped you achieve your declared aim. Anri proposed GB'ing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
...odd
So were rbl and simians, who helped pyro and pyro is willing to abandon em to letting AMA force wars on emQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
So when do you gb for fair play and when you gb cause you are part of an alliance?
How did they help Pyro? AMA was coming after you guys.
I thought this was about helping the game and not helping out specific kds?
I'm not sure what the distinction you're getting at is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
A gb is a gb. When you do it, you don't drop out early if you convinced others to help and let them get ****ed in the process.
Palem: I understand pyro convinced them to join.
Beyond that, they helped pyro achieve their stated aim.
They didn't drop out early. You wanted to GB AMA out of contention. They're out of contention. Aim achieved, obligation over.
It isn't done until the folks who helped achieve that aim have a CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
why would you let someone who helped you get there get ****ed for helping you?
Blablabla. It ain't over till CR says it is. I just read logs that CR have demands towards AMA still. Talk about CF. Last time I saw Elit offered CF to all the reply was "we want your cows down". Keep up the bs.
Again, how did they help Pyro? AMA was coming for you. They helped you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zauper
This is fair play
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