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02-03-2016, 11:04
MyNameIsMatija

Imo FS values their WW streak to much to give out a farm war but if Pyro wants land so much they can take mine, I'm at 120nwpa 3800 acres, go ahead, I won't retal I promise.
02-03-2016, 11:49
protector

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

It's quite easy to see why Pyro would raze as a bunch has already mentioned in this thread, to lower defense/acres in order to bring nw inrange of pyro smaller to gain good amounts, raze is the best option as not so easy to train back + no long term damage to FS other then the science/honour (wiz, tpa still same and improving), so in that aspect you can see it as a sign of letting FS off to fight another right after if that's their wish.

Razing to break (judging by KD pages) is just dumb. To gain honor you want them to have as much NW. Killing both troops and land, probably creates too much of a gap. And 2 raze breaks give GBP, lowering troop losses.

The issue with Pyro's b2b strategy to gain honor (and science) is that Pyro has grown too much land in war. Even if it goes into a max meter war, the bottom half of Pyro would be able to take honor while the upper halfs gain very little. FS has a better position to gain/maintain their honor.
02-03-2016, 11:51
Sheister

Which is why I, and a few others, argued to stay in the war in the first place. Oh well.........
02-03-2016, 11:57
protector

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Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

What is 20k acres? BB won war with Birdie in Rd 1 and demanded a Rd2 too. The 20k acres that u mentioned is maybe only like 20-30% of that

Apples and peaches.
And lols @ maths. We didn't gain anywere close to 70-100k from them.

And before you start about "double standards", no. We got waved out of range by them and they made it clear they just wanted to screw us over. So we returned the favor.

Pyro and FS were in range and both just wanted to win the war.
02-03-2016, 12:07
JusticeLeague

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Originally Posted by protector

Razing to break (judging by KD pages) is just dumb. To gain honor you want them to have as much NW. Killing both troops and land, probably creates too much of a gap. And 2 raze breaks give GBP, lowering troop losses.

The issue with Pyro's b2b strategy to gain honor (and science) is that Pyro has grown too much land in war. Even if it goes into a max meter war, the bottom half of Pyro would be able to take honor while the upper halfs gain very little. FS has a better position to gain/maintain their honor.

Seems like bb learnt a lot from last age
02-03-2016, 12:09
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

Seems like bb learnt a lot from last age

The bastard that you are, that made me laugh so hard :D
02-03-2016, 13:40
Aranfein

Protector, I wouldn't know I can't see kd pages but razing to bring them in range of Pyros chained is not a bad idea if you can wait for gbp/fortified? to dissappear.. I could easily see it as pyro wanting to keep science and honour on those they raze until they are lowered enough for Pyros small. - if you can't see the logic in that then fair enough but I can.

Unless ofc ALL of Pyros are too big already then yes kinda pointless.
02-03-2016, 13:43
MyNameIsMatija

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Protector, I wouldn't know I can't see kd pages but razing to bring them in range of Pyros chained is not a bad idea if you can wait for gbp/fortified? to dissappear.. I could easily see it as pyro wanting to keep science and honour on those they raze until they are lowered enough for Pyros small. - if you can't see the logic in that then fair enough but I can.

Unless ofc ALL of Pyros are too big already then yes kinda pointless.

So this is really going to take over 4 real days? So much for whatever you stood for ages ago?
02-03-2016, 13:54
Meep

Pyros are just butthurt they lost a war they were trash talking about winning.

This is kind of like when Palem's ghetto started trash talking FREE and then lost, so palem had a hissyfit and decided he was going to raze free.

Maybe people could just not talk **** on the forums before you've actually won the fight you're talking **** about
02-03-2016, 14:17
protector

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Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

Seems like bb learnt a lot from last age

And what would that be?
02-03-2016, 14:22
protector

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aranfein

Protector, I wouldn't know I can't see kd pages but razing to bring them in range of Pyros chained is not a bad idea if you can wait for gbp/fortified? to dissappear.. I could easily see it as pyro wanting to keep science and honour on those they raze until they are lowered enough for Pyros small. - if you can't see the logic in that then fair enough but I can.

Unless ofc ALL of Pyros are too big already then yes kinda pointless.

FS is entirely 250-470k (current) vs Pyro at 144k, 163k, 283k, then 11 provs from 349-474k (1 faery, 3 halfling) and the rest is 600k+.
02-03-2016, 14:40
Palem

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Originally Posted by Meep

Pyros are just butthurt they lost a war they were trash talking about winning.

This is kind of like when Palem's ghetto started trash talking FREE and then lost, so palem had a hissyfit and decided he was going to raze free.

Maybe people could just not talk **** on the forums before you've actually won the fight you're talking **** about

You're really out of touch with the events and motivations. Just so you know.
02-03-2016, 15:48
Maximo

Any chance to get cliff notes on the past 40+ pages?
02-03-2016, 15:55
Aranfein

Matje what are you on about? I do not and never have played in pyro if that's what you are assuming... I don't even hold a province this age.

Thanks Prot for the update on size, then yes you are correct it seems a bit pointless.
02-03-2016, 15:59
jmiedema

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Originally Posted by Maximo

Any chance to get cliff notes on the past 40+ pages?

-Both KD's: Woohoo we're going to war this is going to be fun.
-Pyro: Here are the results of first 24-48h of war, look how much we are winning
-Pyro: Hey, we are kicking your ass after 48-72h why arent you WD'ing, you're doing it out of spite aren't you.. you just want our science to beat smaller kingdoms..
-FS: OK
-Pyro: Silence for 48-72h as FS turns the war around.
Pyro WD's with substantially more acres due to the T/M heavy method in which FS was winning the war
-FS: Lists reasons why we stayed in the war, and why it was turned around.
-Pyro: OK
-EowCF ends
-Pyro waves FS for 48h with little demands other than "release all your defense and this will be done quicker" (claims of wanting to take the science and honour FS won from the war, but unconfirmed)
-FS Protests for 48h, questioning pyro's motives and questioning the methods in which they were going about it
-Pyro laughs at FS and points that they left themselves exposed and that is their fault.
-This carries on for several days.
-CF Attained.

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