Pew Pew vs AMA

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Originally Posted by flogger

You idiots complaining that people in the top taking offense to one kingdom purposely farming out 80,000 acres to you might require some sort of special circumstances is just idiodic. I mean seriously.

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This comment has 0 relevance to mine.

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Originally Posted by Korp

So, hitting into other peoples conflicts arent lame but when someone is mean to you its suddenly lame? Hypocrite much? Stop crying and man instead, this *****ing in the forums doesnt suit you.

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Let Remind you to age you refer SWEA (kd you was in) Was first kd hit other kingdom OOW and you did it because They made you train up. Same was done 2 ages later From Fratzia when ED run from them for same Reason. We was in same situation x2 last age with ED but we didn't hit OOW. We hit few ages ago and its was for full legit reasons. Both Stripers and Pew Pew had CF not expired and both monarch Silva and Petrified was very close. In past fake wars was used for 1 kd run from another in arranged war with Friends. Its what we had there and FW is not more legit...
I don't cry. Im state facts about how play to us this age new alliance and im say we will pay back for it too.

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

Please tell me how you and BB threatening to 2v1 and dealbreak a KD to force them to war a target of your choice is not lame.

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Its not true. Rage being part from intentional farm war gained 80k acres total and its become pure chart shape war. they had choice to war 1vs1 AMA or BB but because Floger told them long ago he wont vulture rage after war they take advantage over it and told BB cant notice Rage oow. So its left AMA only to war Rage.
You still cant understand. Rage CANT COMPLAIN about last age. You gained UNFAIR LAND you never can gain in real war with pew pew and you finished much high from your normal age play. AMA/BB/EJ accepted deal PROPOSED FROM RAGE. So you cant say now its lame deal...

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Originally Posted by Elit

Its not true. Rage being part from intentional farm war gained 80k acres total and its become pure chart shape war. they had choice to war 1vs1 AMA or BB but because Floger told them long ago he wont vulture rage after war they take advantage over it and told BB cant notice Rage oow. So its left AMA only to war Rage.
You still cant understand. Rage CANT COMPLAIN about last age. You gained UNFAIR LAND you never can gain in real war with pew pew and you finished much high from your normal age play. AMA/BB/EJ accepted deal PROPOSED FROM RAGE. So you cant say now its lame deal...

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Read 1 post up. Rage is not complaining about what happened with them last age, despite them not having any choice in what pew pew did. Rage has nothing to do with my comments, either.

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

Read 1 post up. Rage is not complaining about what happened with them last age, despite them not having any choice in what pew pew did. Rage has nothing to do with my comments, either.

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You and PS have complained about it in the past 20 posts in this thread, and you both play in Rage

The simple point is, you can't farm people in the top. I can't just up and farm someone and expect all my deals to be upheld, since all my deals were generally predicated on some general understanding of fairness and how the game is played.

If I decide to farm soemone, I'd fully expect everyone on the server to be mad at me and to have bad things coming my way unless I came to a diplomatic solution.

Last age, I only paid attention or got involved once things got past min-time. Prior to min-time, anything sorta goes. After min-time, the kingdom receiving the farming has options to curtail it, and that's where diplomacy comes in.

Now I understand, the general rage player would be upset for someone coming and saying anything about the fight, because to them it just happened to them. The problem is, there are a million things that happen between leaders and conversations that happen that the general population in the kingdom has no idea even takes place. Every day I play I say things to leaders of other kingdoms that no one in my own kingdom has any idea about. This happens in most top kingdoms with top players. This happens with Elit, myself, webmaster, etc.

Did some conversation happen between a rage leader and pew last age where it was indicated "hey, we can screw AMA over by you landdropping" Probably not. But it's possible. And it's possible it happenned and the other 24 players in rage have no idea. that's why you can't action on what the intent was. The only thing you can action is "this kingdom gave someone else 80k acres, so something should be done"

If it were me in that spot? The second they started learning 2 hours into war I would have messaged every other top leader in the game and come to a solution. I've talked with both webmaster and drixx and both of them said they don't think I would have done that. But I would have, because I know how the game works diplomatically, and I'm generally good at avoiding getting gangbanged.

I don't live and die trying to compete for farmed acres or trying to see where I can steal the most acres while seeing what I can get away with. I've played that game, some, but I don't play it wholeheartedly. I've talked to people in the past about getting land, I try to get land where I can because my kingdom wants to win, but I don't go for it full force. I had a crown 2 ages ago when SWEA won because pew wanted to farm out to us and we said no. I discussed somewhat with some kingdoms getting in wars that could gain us land at the end, and we talked about it, but I was never like 100% pushing to make it happen.

My last 2 crowns were ages in which we went 4/4 in war wins, fighting by ourselves, and in each war we had weeks or 100% equal preparation for the fight before we fought it, and we won. that's what's fun to me, giving people a shot to win and then beating them.

Unfortunately, ever since the game change of 2400a and now 1200a/day of pool growth per day has made the top play completely devoid of any skill and solely based on who has the most CF's pre-age the game is kinda terrible and getting earned crowns is basically impossible now.

I have not made 1 mention of Rage's situation last age. Nor was I talking about or referring to Rage in any of my posts (except in the ones trying to explain to you that you are bringing up the wrong situation). You are vastly mistaken on my point of view, and focused heavily on where I play instead of what you have done.

I know what Ezzerland is talking about.

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Originally Posted by PhoenixScorpion

First off that's just logical fallacies one after another it is hard to know where to even start. If we supposedly made a deal in bad faith and our whole plan and intention was just to act in bad faith I am pretty sure we would have. People can personally want revenge on you, discuss pretext and context for why it would be acceptable to return perceived treatment and pretexts used, without being a hypocrite or asshole. Quite the contrary, I would argue that the fact we acted honorable and didnt use our personal feelings and historical conventions to effect or influence our reaction and sense of fair-play means that your argument is just outright false.

To suppose that everything that one types/says is to be taken literally or as a supposition of factual reality is extremely poor logic. One thing has completely no correlation to the other. This is proven by the fact that in reality you never got ****played, in spite of the fact you QQ to contrary. I hope your are joking when you say there was never an opportune time for us to exploit the situation and GB or whatever if we wished. If we are such "two-faced assholes" as you say, we have actually had more than enough pretext to GB as soon as we knew where your KD was located.

Your KD and their allies ensured that any pretext can be used by any set of KD's to do whatever they wish. I find it interesting that now you dont understand why others are predisposed to treat you in a similar fashion to which you have treated them in past. Didnt AMA just last Age threaten to make a CF/deal void with Rage at a time of their leisure due to an arbitrary decision made by their member KD's? In spite what we say in private or our personal feelings we have never acted in such a manner diplomatically with you, while you have done whatever you see fit when it suits you.

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First of all, I don't play in AMA, although as I've readily admitted before I have played with Elit before and I have a tendency to favor his side of things all other things being equal, but I don't have any problem thinking they've acted badly before as well(which they have).
Well, I've read the logs and it seemed like your supposed allies were upset that you made a deal with AMA and that your monarch responded that that wouldn't be a problem if they decided to act "because alliance action trumps deals". And given that you reasonably thought that the venue was private it seems reasonable to assume you weren't all lying to each other.
Yeah AMA never ended up getting ****played, why that never happened I don't know but those conversations suggested that you were perfectly willing to go back on deals made, hence the two-faced part.

Yes AMA threatened you guys last age which they considered justified because of how you handled the situation with the PewPew war, you obviously didn't share that opinion and then one of their allies ended up doing the exact same thing they accused you of which is pretty hypocritical at best. Although given your choice of allies this age their accusations seems to have been well founded.
And yes, AMA did sort of enforce that any pretext can be used to set up whatever they wish, on the other hand you(Rage) and your previous alliance(Abs) was the posterboys for that sort of behavior so you're not exactly free from sin either. But yeah, I don't like SK'd politics much nor do I like the activity requirements so I traded down for something less stressful and annoying.
And yeah, I might have written that previous comment a bit differently if it hadn't been dead tired at the time.

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

I have not made 1 mention of Rage's situation last age. Nor was I talking about or referring to Rage in any of my posts (except in the ones trying to explain to you that you are bringing up the wrong situation). You are vastly mistaken on my point of view, and focused heavily on where I play instead of what you have done.

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AMA and BB are ally but past few ages both kds play pure solo and don't coordinate actions vs other kd. There is not single age where both kds wave same kd together. For example this age Rage and Pew Pew waved early on age together: The Shire. Few ages ago Rage and few more KDs was involved in GB Stripers. After GB was over Pew Pew and SWEA both vultures Stripers but AMA and BB extended his CFs with them. Last age, was easy for us to win it if we re-waved HoH after war ened and farmed them but we gave HoH cf. Pyro used it and jumped on HoH. This age, ppl vulture Fratzia after kd go to hell but AMA extended his CF with them. Why? Because i think its most fair. This age was easy for us to go round 2 with Pew Pew considering our relations in past and how they called us dibs. Still we offered them cf and we didn't link it with CF with Rage. Haters can keep complain how much they want but AMA play honorable and fair every age. Its fact.

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

I have not made 1 mention of Rage's situation last age. Nor was I talking about or referring to Rage in any of my posts (except in the ones trying to explain to you that you are bringing up the wrong situation). You are vastly mistaken on my point of view, and focused heavily on where I play instead of what you have done.

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So then I guess your mentions of the big bad mean powerplaying BB are similar to the how seemingly terrible I was the one time we both talked about playing together. Complete fabrications in your delusional mind.

Hmmm why this thread is still alive? War is over guys ;)

yeah, u can close this thread Bishop

I now have first and last post

The bottom line is that any alliance in power at the top is gonna **** play in one way or another and why wouldn't they? Most alliances or allies are formed off **** play in previous ages and try to get revenge because of it. It makes sense and the power, now abs has disbanded, will continue to shuffle.

We have felt the wrath of this on more than one occasion, rest assured.

Currently the strongest alliance is Rage/Pyro/Pew2 but, as we just saw, it doesnt mean its a sure thing. AMA beat pew2 when they should have lost.... numbers wise

If AMA have to fight B2B2B wars against this alliance and some how win... man they will be strong, but its no different to previous ages when power kingdoms make the rules. The defining moment, most likely, will be if rage vultures AMA and gets the win. If they don't, the alliance is done this age. BB and AMA are 2 of the best kds on the server, that is not in doubt.

If AMA beats rage (which war is gonna happen I am thinking), all of a sudden AMA and BB are right back in this.

Just my thoughts

EDIT: also rage better bring their A game, AMA is a ****ing monster in war, I know as we lost to them last time... albeit closely.... mother ****ers are solid

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Originally Posted by Binar

yeah, u can close this thread Bishop

I now have first and last post

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I support you there but last post is not easy for keep :P

Yes it is