CR vs AMA

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Originally Posted by American Badass

We had all agreed to be in this until AMA cfed everyone that was involved within the GB. So basically Pyro went back on their word as an agreement everyone was happy with was not made.

(Btw what has Rage done this age that has been shady?)

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Yes, I will agree with this. The question that could be asked is, "was Pyro justified in going back on its word, given the circumstances behind its decision?" The answer to that will depend on who you ask, and it is by no means black and white (as most things aren't).

As far as Rage goes, participating in GB is already a form of "wrong-doing," but one that has been justified and was done in retaliation. Rage has also stonewalled negotiations, from what I've seen, at least until Pyros decided to leave and people consequently became more reasonable. These are minor things, but that is what I mean when I say "in some form." I will say that I don't know much about what Rage has done this age, so I don't have the right to say anything else regarding this.

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We are sticking to the rules within this GB. If the game developers were against hitting into a war, you would not be able to do it. Maybe the developers need to add this as a feature but then more and more people would have fake wars.

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Wanting MP is as much against the rules as wanting to WW.

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Originally Posted by Korp

Wanting MP is as much against the rules as wanting to WW.

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An MP effects no honor/land.

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Originally Posted by Nightmare_

Yes, I will agree with this. The question that could be asked is, "was Pyro justified in going back on its word, given the circumstances behind its decision?" The answer to that will depend on who you ask, and it is by no means black and white (as most things aren't).

As far as Rage goes, participating in GB is already a form of "wrong-doing," but one that has been justified and was done in retaliation. Rage has also stonewalled negotiations, from what I've seen, at least until Pyros decided to leave and people consequently became more reasonable. These are minor things, but that is what I mean when I say "in some form." I will say that I don't know much about what Rage has done this age, so I don't have the right to say anything else regarding this.

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We have always been reasonable. I said if it called an end to everything just give AMA the crown if it means that much to them (If they never recalled something that happened this age or prior).

the sad part is that Rage cant even beat AMA with us havng 7 provinces PK-ed and 24 players currently online (most of the killed are still in protection and one provinces is yet to be made) How bad do u have to be to not be able to win vs a beaten kd with players and army advantage alone? U have no right to call urselfs rage anymore ... this is pathetic :D All are scared from ama when we have 2 arms and 4 ribs broken .... funny how do u think u will feal when we heal next age. Ally with simians and rusty to cover ur behind :D + havoc i suppose just to be sure u are surrounded of backstabbers!


Cudoes to Pyro for doing the right thing!

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Originally Posted by American Badass

An MP effects no honor/land.

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That has no relevancy to the case, its still as much against the rules as wanting a WW:

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Originally Posted by Korp

That has no relevancy to the case, its still as much against the rules as wanting a WW:

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How is wanting a mutual peace the same?
To get a mutual peace both parties have to agree. There's no way to force it. One person offers and the other accepts or they don't. It's nothing like making a deal for ww. The only way to get mutual peace is by making a deal to get one.

I've pm'd bishop to see if it would be rule breaking. Either way MP is clearly the most reasonable outcome of the war within the context of a cf that ends gb.

edit: what avalanche said. You can't MP without agreeing to MP.

There is a difference between arranging a war to end and exchanging a war result for other things, although admittedly, I'm not totally sure this stuff falls.

Dont know why all try to play smart with words. Get SN and check AMA paper. Say if you see there fake war :P
We are giving our best consider situation and i think we are doing decent enough for force WW or WD with better DMG.

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Originally Posted by Avalanche

How is wanting a mutual peace the same?
To get a mutual peace both parties have to agree. There's no way to force it. One person offers and the other accepts or they don't. It's nothing like making a deal for ww. The only way to get mutual peace is by making a deal to get one.

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That goes for a warwin as well, its as I see it not allowed to make a predetermined end to a war be it MP or WW.

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He wanted to be #3, with 3 of the largest banks, with about 20+k acres in whoring provs due to war, with a cf with all but legacy and any other kd he thought he could still rape in war with the guarantee that he would never raze any acres

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Nice didn't know, must have missed the memo. - And seriously who has the right to demand who wars who? lol get real, its a war game.

Its all starting to sound like petty revenge for earlier ages and bad blood between KDs, and a grand opportunity to hit someone already down(Yes AMA deserved the GB for dealbreaking but so did another KD in this fair play alliance), and i think the punishment of stopping them crowning as thats what they wanted, and a CF to avoid them interfering with "Crown war/Hostile" could have been reached..

(This is my personal view and not that of Legacy).

keep doing what you're doing people, 4900 players left. soon there will be none left and we can finally move on with our lives.

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Originally Posted by padrez

keep doing what you're doing people, 4900 players left. soon there will be none left and we can finally move on with our lives.

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Trust me, that number will go down very, very slowly. But it will go down!

Biggest question remains: how come taylor swift is bigger then rebecca black?

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Once you're in the mob the only way to leave is a body bag. Interesting to see what will become of Pyro even if/when they raze acres. I think the kd's are far off from reaching a deal, the longer it goes the more we don't have to lose. I think we are at that point 7 Pk's, core down, the hoard at our back door. I'm fine with the outcome, proud of our effort as a kingdom to make a last stand regardless if we see 25 green provinces which has been thrown out there so much.

I know our kingdoms abilities, I know that we will be in better position then most kingdoms the majority of the time. Yes the fair play alliance is bigger and stronger then us in size, but not in heart and courage. Today you are the larger stronger kingdoms, and you negotiate with an iron fist with terms one sided and offers which before offered all know will be turned down. The offers are a mascarade to give and illusion of "fair play".

Myself and most of our players look forward to next age, regardless if there is a solution or not in this age. Don't shoot a bear with a BB gun. POLAR BEARS FTW!

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Originally Posted by guard14n

the sad part is that Rage cant even beat AMA with us havng 7 provinces PK-ed and 24 players currently online (most of the killed are still in protection and one provinces is yet to be made) How bad do u have to be to not be able to win vs a beaten kd with players and army advantage alone? U have no right to call urselfs rage anymore ... this is pathetic :D All are scared from ama when we have 2 arms and 4 ribs broken .... funny how do u think u will feal when we heal next age. Ally with simians and rusty to cover ur behind :D + havoc i suppose just to be sure u are surrounded of backstabbers!


Cudoes to Pyro for doing the right thing!

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Fake rage is nothing more than a glorified ghetto.. if not for all the cf they always seems to get they would be getting slapped around by every 5 to 8mill n/w ghetto in the game..

So much bs. Maximouse says CR didn't gain anything?! Are you for real? Competitor N1 lost 50k acres, 7 pks and got out of crown race. Competitor N2 is pushed to raze 15k acres and get smaller than CR, despite the fact that if it wasn't for Pyro that gb would be fail big time. So what CR wants is to force the whole top into lending them a free crown.

Maxi also said he didn't want 25 green provs despite the multiple logs posted. Lolz!

BTW want to note Havoc razed 1 small kd i asked for help and send them scary msg and same time they use more shell kds for raze us oow. This bad act to kds try help against BS you doing wont be tolerated. You cant bully server for long.
If any one is feel brave enough for raze rage smaller prov he can process it.

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Originally Posted by Greaser

Anri, your so ignorant. You can't change people nor their opinion with brute force and nasty threats. All you do is perpetuate the situation and encourage disobedience. The goal of this GB was to punish AMA for their deal break and to send a message that this wont be tolerated in the future. Well guess what? You succeeded in that, messaged received! I think kingdoms will think twice before performing a deal break. Although it seems support for this GB is now waning due to the dirty laundry being aired about this just being an opportunity for certain kingdoms to seek vendettas and exercise their hate.

But I digress...You can't stop kingdoms from "thinking" about deal breaking. You'll never EVER convince AMA the deal break was wrong. So stop pretending you can. Even if there was a chance to you first you have to prove to them that "THEY" and "OTHERS" were not wronged by CR shaping charts with "taxing" kingdoms, calling "dibs" in threads with idle threats when clear CF was in effect with 72 hour notices. No one has yet. The problem is, you yourself have almost no sway nor any reputation for knowing what's right and wrong having done your fair share of shady **** in the past. It's why everyone calls you and a few others in this alliance a big hypocrite. Do you even know what that word means? Here let me define it for you:

hyp-o-crite [hip-uh-krit] noun
1 a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Another words, if you've ****-played in the past, and now YOU are dishing out justice on behalf of fairness, you my friend are a HYPOCRITE and don't deserve to educate on the subject of "fairness" and "equality".

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Ok Greaser, i will spend 5 min worth of my time on you!

I played for 56 ages, i been gbed a bunch of times, i have gbed a bunch of times. I took part in a lot of nasty deals and i did unjustice to others and i made justice for others. Some ages, probably 95% of our ages we played fair and tried to be the most honorable we could, the other 5% we played dirty to remove abs from its blatant powerplay. If there was a time we went into a grey zone or border line we got punished for it. I know how to execute a GB and i know how to not give in to demands of a dealbreaker. I have been GBed and NEVER was my KD given so many outs as AMA has been given. Either you accept a deal or you get razekills until there is nothing left of your KD. No matter how much you whine, the GB itself will not stop, unless you make a deal that seems okey to both parties and normaly it is NOT the dealbreakers that makes the demands. Are you telling me i am a hypocrite because i uphold standards that always been around in this game? 30 ages back people would LAUGH about this, making deals with a dealbreaker and having them push thier demands. You silly noob, i slap you on the wrist, you seriously have NO clue. You can call me a hypocrite, but i am acctually the most honest guy in the top that has not tried to gain ANYTHING from this but justice on the server. A guy like Elit, with a KD like AMA dealbreaking like this and trying to wipe it under the carpet like this would all ready been dead back in the days, should be dead now. But then there is a certain type of crowd that obviously feels remorse for a KD filled with people that voted to dealbreak. You dont even know how many valid deals we have given Elit, ways to end this. There is no deal Elit feel is okey, even if we been extremely generous with our terms to this dealbreaker. This is also the very first time i have seen a dealbreaker get to make demands for own deals, because normaly no one should talk to him unless he is willing to surrender to our deal. No one but Elit made sure he got razekills, because he has been offered ways out ALL this time but rather get razekilled. If i dont like Elit, no i dont like him, he is a snake that backstabs people and he has a KD full of people that vote to dealbreak. Dishonest people that rather cheat with deals to win over anything else. I have no words to explain how this game has decayed and what joke it has become when people feel pity for dealbreakers.

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Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter

So much bs. Maximouse says CR didn't gain anything?! Are you for real? Competitor N1 lost 50k acres, 7 pks and got out of crown race. Competitor N2 is pushed to raze 15k acres and get smaller than CR, despite the fact that if it wasn't for Pyro that gb would be fail big time. So what CR wants is to force the whole top into lending them a free crown.

Maxi also said he didn't want 25 green provs despite the multiple logs posted. Lolz!

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Delussional a lot, you trying to tell CR they benefited from getting dealbroken.

LOL

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Originally Posted by Anri

Delussional a lot, you trying to tell CR they benefited from getting dealbroken.

LOL

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Before the GB they had 2 competitors for the crown. Now they have one.

You're right, totally didn't benefit.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Before the GB they had 2 competitors for the crown. Now they have one.

You're right, totally didn't benefit.

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One of them is a dealbreaker and not a valid competitor and fact is CR was a lot stronger then both AMA and Pyro.
They only lost another KD to gain acres from. Plus, i dont think they look at it as if they lost a competetor. They lost a target that was to scared to war them for the crown. They also became a lot weaker then they was if it ever will be a CR vs Pyro fight. In reality pyro would have little to no chance vs CR before the dealbreak happend. The real winner here is Pyro that walked out with 15k acres from a GB and is pumping on it despite all promises they made. What a total joke.

My idea from the start, since before the GB was everyone use FAIR PLAY as a tagg and no one wins this age because its over and its done. Its destroyed with AMAs dealbreak. This way who wins and who does not win does not matter what so ever when FAIR PLAY tagg is up and the crown wont matter and the age will be about something else then just a dealbreak and a GB.

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Originally Posted by Anri

One of them is a dealbreaker and not a valid competitor and fact is CR was a lot stronger then both AMA and Pyro.
They only lost another KD to gain acres from. Plus, i dont think they look at it as if they lost a competetor. They lost a target that was to scared to war them for the crown.

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SWEA was a deal breaker. You didn't deem them unfit. In fact, much like you're trying to do with CR, you handed them a crown.

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Originally Posted by Elit

BTW want to note Havoc razed 1 small kd i asked for help and send them scary msg and same time they use more shell kds for raze us oow. This bad act to kds try help against BS you doing wont be tolerated. You cant bully server for long.
If any one is feel brave enough for raze rage smaller prov he can process it.

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Rage threaten my kd for raze. Now I have to defect.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Rage threaten my kd for raze. Now I have to defect.

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Should we tag "fair punish"? Or server will look way so fair :D

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Originally Posted by Palem

SWEA was a deal breaker. You didn't deem them unfit. In fact, much like you're trying to do with CR, you handed them a crown.

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Elit twisted a knife in my back after we had warred SWEA i did not hand swea a crown. It was a direct result of Elit lying and breaking his word to his own allies.

You see, there is one thing about Elit you can always count on, he will backstab and lie each age. This age it happend to CR. If he avoids it one age, he might acctually go thru a full age fair and crown it.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Should we tag "fair punish"? Or server will look way so fair :D

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FAIR PLAY

Same tagg for all, kd names not needed. Who wins and who losses wont matter. We all have just fun doing whatever we feel like. This was my general idea before GB, you know why? Because after dealbreak this age is not valid any longer and the crown is a joke. I wanted age 60 to be a change for something new and fresh. You think i am looking to hurt AMA, thats the worst BS i heard. I dont like you and some others in AMA. But i acctually did not want a GB to take place at all from the start. I wanted all of this to be about FAIR PLAY and my demand was easy, tagg FAIR PLAY and lets all just have fun and let this age be about something else then just dealbreaks and other ****. Use the time to make some rules and stuff we can follow for next age.

You have a very paranoid ego, the world does not circuit around AMA like i said before.
But when GB came into effect i damn well will execut it like GBs always been executed.
The dealbreaker does not get to make the terms etc.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Elit twisted a knife in my back after we had warred SWEA i did not hand swea a crown. It was a direct result of Elit lying and breaking his word to his own allies.

You see, there is one thing about Elit you can always count on, he will backstab and lie each age. This age it happend to CR. If he avoids it one age, he might acctually go thru a full age fair and crown it.

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SWEA lied and backstabbed their allies. They even did it BEFORE Elit.

You done pretending this has nothing to do with "fair play" and it's just personal?

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Originally Posted by Anri

You see, there is one thing about Anri you can always count on, he will QQ 24/7!

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Fixed for you :)

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Originally Posted by Palem

SWEA lied and backstabbed their allies. They even did it BEFORE Elit.

You done pretending this has nothing to do with "fair play" and it's just personal?

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read above, you all think you are some experts on simians and anri when you are 100% wrong.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Fixed for you :)

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like a child

Of course it is. Anri said 100 times Elit twisted a knife in his back. Idk how Anri does it but second time he makes a gb against a kd and hands a crown to another. Also conveniently Anri said he was busy with something else every time some other kd did dealbreaks and ****plays. He was only there for gb when AMA does it. :) Fair play. Anyway i don't care. Go Anri, take all competitors of CR. And let them the crown. Or maybe you will tell me that if AMA had warred Pyro, the competition would have been the same as now?

the main goal is still to have CR and Pyro to war for the crown, as soon as AMA gives up thier resistance and stops beleiving dealbreaks is okey. I dont know how you missed that after 110+ pages in here.

There is only one alliance

Simians & PewPew

Chartshapers.

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Originally Posted by Palem

There is only one alliance

Simians & PewPew

Chartshapers.

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you obviously dont read what i am saying. Nice trolling moderator.

For the 3rd time in a very short time. I want EVERYONE to tagg FAIR PLAY. I want CR+PYRO have final war for the crown but still use FAIR PLAY in time for the age to end.

No point talking when you avoid the subject for trolling.

Why bother warring? You said it's tainted and the tag is to avoid giving any credit. So warring is pointless.

Maybe it's because you're full of crap and everything that spews out of your mouth is garbage.
/trollmod

warring pointless you are correct, im down for that.
To make a change for the better for incoming age 61

You started the whole conversation saying the goal is to take AMA out of crown race. They are out of it. Then you said u want cfs to all kds, AMA agreed to that. Then you again changed and want Pyro to raze acres (how is that relevant to the war with CR on equal terms?). Why did you decide you want Pyro to raze acres after the initial request from CR for them to make tms? Why CR demands anything from Pyro when it was them who dictated who and how Pyro hits in the AMA vs CR war? Poor CR they lost 800 milion in the whole thing, let's gb pyro and make it even so that CR can farm them.

Btw do you guys consider chart shaping something that requires gb? cause:

- pewpew did chartshape farming out to SWEA and RBL
- Simians did chartshape with 2 GBs on crown competitors
- if Pyro are forced to raze their acres and then war CR that's another chart shape

So in total you have RBL, SImians and CR doing chart shaping, first two on 2 different occasions and the results is? They tag Fair Play.

P.S. Anri you always say let's change but:

- AMA hit pewpew in their war with strippers, some ppl said that was wrong and we changed. We didn't hit in Pewpew vs ED wars.
- Pewpew did some bad chart shaping but this age they stay away from major top ****play
- Simians made a gb against crown contender N1 and let the other kd take the crown, now they do the same.

Why you talk about change when you don't change.