CR vs AMA

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Originally Posted by American Badass

So for this to be fair, Havoc needs their crown acres back and Pyro needs to raze cow acres.

I still believe Havoc is willing to fight Pyro regardless of this but yeah, Pyro is in a better position than they were before this happened.

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AMA need his acres back to to be fair...

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Originally Posted by Randomness

@American Badass: Yes, that is true. But if all other KDs involved in the GB would only raze and Havoc + all these KDs would be at the same acres as they were before the GB would their chances not be the same?

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It is up to pyro if they want to do anything and gain from this whole situation and possibly crown unfairly.

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Originally Posted by Elit

MSG you send to kds dont support your BS GB and raze rage:

1 of your provinces is razing our ally while he is in war. You probably didnt order this, but in the end as monarch your responsible for your KD's actions.
If you offer 6:3 and us a CF ingame we can end this matter before it turns ugly. If needed I will order my KD to raze you, but I rather just get ingame CF's to stop that 1 prov from sending out.
So, I will wait for you or your steward to read this message. If I see CF offers after that I will instruct 6:3 to accept it and we can all move on.
Without a CF offer though, my KD has no choice but to start razing aswell.

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We received a CF and moved on. They obviously did not want the future relations so could not have believed in your cause that much?

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Originally Posted by Elit

AMA need his acres back to to be fair...

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You need to raze those cow acres first buddy but that will be done soon for you.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

You need to raze those cow acres first buddy but that will be done soon for you.

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Dont worry. We will raze some cow acres soon too :)

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Originally Posted by Elit

Dont worry. We will raze some cow acres soon too :)

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Maybe we can both raze down and go for the WW crown!

would you have accepted it if all alliance kds wanted to gain acres as a fee for helping you win the war?

None is in it to gain.

I don't believe that to be true AMurican Bad butt, It's plain and simple to see if Pyro or any other kd doesn't do what your alliance wants they get GB'd in the name of fair play. The charts have been pre planned, just list it right here for clarity:

Fair Play Chart Placement (agreed by fair play)

#1 CR
#2 Pyro (if u don't raze them cow acres u switch to #5 ok because u did help more then pew but you're a traitor!)
#3 RBL
#4 Simians (sorry pew pew but u didn't help the gb have chart finish u one lower)
#5 BB (just to smooth things over , look we just don't like your scum bag friends)
#6 Pew Pew (back behind GB kd's in chart placement ty, we woulda put u 3-4 if u woulda helped)
#7 Rusty ( you helped us so next age your tax rate is only 5% (1/2) of our 10% min.)

so gaining a war win is not considered gaining? or is it neutralized by the fact that you regained the acres that were taken from you?

I am just going to put this out there, I like unreasonable Elit. He seems more fun.

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AB why should fake rage get cow acres back when they got war declared on, their cows were ready and drafted. You made choice to break eoa nap with ama and you made choice to reject elit's cf offer to eoa cf all kds and not playoff #1 when we were in eow, you QQed about cow acres and refuse deal so we forced to declare fake tag rage and farm their cows. This was your own mistake to not accept reasonable diplo after : 1) ama no longer crown threat, 2) ama agree to remove themselves from age with eoa cf, 3) dealbreak punished 4) havic get acres back...this was original goal of your GB and reason pyro leave was because you push past original goals.

If rage want cow acres back that ama took from them 1vs5+ then ama should get all land back to be 160k land before ama hit havoc. It's funny rage complains about losing cow land when fighting war 5v1 vs. single kd.

P.s. Fake rage cow strategy was horrible, didn't you learn anything about proper cowing from when I played there?

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Originally Posted by IrGr8Nublet

so gaining a war win is not considered gaining? or is it neutralized by the fact that you regained the acres that were taken from you?

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We proposed an MP and our acres to our cow back (so like none of this happened) so no one gains the WW.
Elit counter - no cow acres back but we give him the WW.

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Originally Posted by American Badass

Maybe we can both raze down and go for the WW crown!

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no chance.... you actually need to be able to win a war... how does pyro respect you guys?

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Originally Posted by American Badass

We proposed an MP and our acres to our cow back (so like none of this happened) so no one gains the WW.
Elit counter - no cow acres back but we give him the WW.

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Yes! Easy to Talk Big and Confidently when you guys are ganging up a KD. =P

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Originally Posted by Proteus

AB why should fake rage get cow acres back when they got war declared on, their cows were ready and drafted. You made choice to break eoa nap with ama and you made choice to reject elit's cf offer to eoa cf all kds and not playoff #1 when we were in eow, you QQed about cow acres and refuse deal so we forced to declare fake tag rage and farm their cows. This was your own mistake to not accept reasonable diplo after : 1) ama no longer crown threat, 2) ama agree to remove themselves from age with eoa cf, 3) dealbreak punished 4) havic get acres back...this was original goal of your WW.

If rage want cow acres back that ama took from them 1vs5+ then ama should get all land back to be 160k land before ama hit havoc. It's funny rage complains about losing cow land when fighting war 5v1 vs. single kd.

P.s. Fake rage cow strategy was horrible, didn't you learn anything about proper cowing from when I played there?

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If AMA is withdrawing from the Land/NW crown (like they keep claiming), why do they need the Bank acres? We only request the acres to be equal. Not more. When they're equal we can MP.

Now your elves are going to go down. Guess their is a time bomb clicking for both =D

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Originally Posted by Crunch

no chance.... you actually need to be able to win a war... how does pyro respect you guys?

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I guess they don't since they left. Who are you? Cello asked the same question.

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Originally Posted by ABSLover

Yes! Easy to Talk Big and Confidently when you guys are ganging up a KD. =P

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5 in one don't like gangbangs... =(

I am going to bed now AMA, please leave me all your questions. You can also PM them to me for a bigger reply and to ensure i actually answer them for you. I get a bit shy talking in public for too long!

I haven't read this entire thread and have been gone for a great deal of time, so I'll give the game from my perspective.

I think over the past few ages, AMA has gotten unfairly blamed for a lot of the drama they found themselves in. At the same time, I think AMA could have avoided some of it with better communication/diplomacy.

I'll give an example: AMA and simians dislikes eachother. Anri thinks AMA bailed on him vs SWEA when Elit promised to step in and help them when they were allies.

AMA did promise this, and Simians got hurt, so Anri has very real reasons to be upset. However, at the same time Elit had very real reasons to think he could have helped Anri, but in fact he could not (Pew Pew was organizing a gangbang on AMA at the time, so if AMA had hit/warred SWEA, then pew and perhaps others would have hit into that war). So AMA could not engage SWEA as Elit had promised for some very real reasons.

I personally think if I was in AMA's situation, I could have talked to Anri and explained it in a way that resulted in Anri not disliking me or distrusting me, but Elit did not do so and they still are arguing or don't trust eachother to this day. I can see both sides.

I will say this: It seems as if one of the main problems in reaching a deal is that Elit wants to keep something, whether its banks or honor or whatnot to keep his pride. The Fair Play group is worried about a subsequent deal break.

If a deal is made, and Elit agrees to it publicly, to help ensure that whatever accord is kept, if this helps facilitate the deal I will agree to join against AMA if dealbreak whatever resolution is made to keep the peace.

Another example: 2-3 ages ago BB blocked havoc from B2B warring AMA due to the double hostile the then Havoc made on AMA which cost them a crown. We blocked it diplomatically and made it somewhat fair so that BB and havoc could fight some time later. But at the time, I had a conversation with Elit where at that point the grudge between Havoc and AMA would be settled and not carried further. Therefore, I don't think that grudge should be an excuse or something to point at to justify AMA dealbreaking Havoc this age.

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Originally Posted by flogger

I will say this: It seems as if one of the main problems in reaching a deal is that Elit wants to keep something, whether its banks or honor or whatnot to keep his pride. The Fair Play group is worried about a subsequent deal break.

If a deal is made, and Elit agrees to it publicly, to help ensure that whatever accord is kept, if this helps facilitate the deal I will agree to join against AMA if dealbreak whatever resolution is made to keep the peace.

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I respect your offer to help keep the peace, and it is very much appreciated.

I legitimately think that without your involvement a deal will not be made, but in order for a deal to be made both sides must be willing to compromise.

Flogger, the issue is that we have offered what elit supposedly wanted and he rejected it. he was offered a deal in which he wouldn't need to raze cows of the acrse they took from us due to deal break but would have to MP rage. he rejected that offer. He was then even offered one inwhich he gets a ww(assuming its actually not against game rules) as long as he lets rage reset the acres they lost on cows in war. They rejected this too. Your agreement to do something if he were to deal break again this age would be great if the issue was us not being willing to cf. That is not the case.

Pyro is backing out and going for crown now?
That is low... I don't think anyone can go lower than them now

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Originally Posted by topsy's revenge

Flogger, the issue is that we have offered what elit supposedly wanted and he rejected it. he was offered a deal in which he wouldn't need to raze cows of the acrse they took from us due to deal break but would have to MP rage. he rejected that offer. He was then even offered one inwhich he gets a ww(assuming its actually not against game rules) as long as he lets rage reset the acres they lost on cows in war. They rejected this too. Your agreement to do something if he were to deal break again this age would be great if the issue was us not being willing to cf. That is not the case.

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Can I ask why would you demand a Kd and interfere their results by implementing clauses like a ww but only the other party gets to reset their cow acres? The only reason I see is Rage made a silly mistake for not making a cf deal with Ama earlier if they bloody knew their actions in the Gb would cause them giving up button to Ama. So Ama declared Rage seeing negotiations went south. The previous deal break gb punishment is already over. Everyone agrees on that. You continue razing Ama now because you hate to see them seizing the button advantage on Rage, which clearly was your foolish mistake for not sealing a cf deal earlier. Where did Ama do wrong by declaring a button given when they at least offered a cf?

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Originally Posted by Ezzerland

I respect your offer to help keep the peace, and it is very much appreciated.

I legitimately think that without your involvement a deal will not be made, but in order for a deal to be made both sides must be willing to compromise.

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My general take being if the only issue outstanding is an issue of trust and a friend tells me he'll uphold a deal I'm fine with putting our kingdom behind it if it'll help keep the peace, and act if its broken.

It's really not Elit's fault that rage is too ghetto to handle the aftermath of joining a GB....

What the hell do you expect when you gift the button as a ****ty kingdom to the best kingdom of the server?

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Originally Posted by Realest

It's really not Elit's fault that rage is too ghetto to handle the aftermath of joining a GB....

What the hell do you expect when you gift the button as a ****ty kingdom to the best kingdom of the server?

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LOL! Agree to this. =)

**** stinks. You hit ****ty Kd u get stinked by the rest of the **** Kds. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Lupine

**** stinks. You hit ****ty Kd u get stinked by the rest of the **** Kds. End of story.

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And that's fine. But if you drop the soap, you pay the consequences.

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Originally Posted by Koodo

I don't believe that to be true AMurican Bad butt, It's plain and simple to see if Pyro or any other kd doesn't do what your alliance wants they get GB'd in the name of fair play. The charts have been pre planned, just list it right here for clarity:

Fair Play Chart Placement (agreed by fair play)

#1 CR
#2 Pyro (if u don't raze them cow acres u switch to #5 ok because u did help more then pew but you're a traitor!)
#3 RBL
#4 Simians (sorry pew pew but u didn't help the gb have chart finish u one lower)
#5 BB (just to smooth things over , look we just don't like your scum bag friends)
#6 Pew Pew (back behind GB kd's in chart placement ty, we woulda put u 3-4 if u woulda helped)
#7 Rusty ( you helped us so next age your tax rate is only 5% (1/2) of our 10% min.)

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LOL!!!! +1 +1 +1 +1 Best troll yet!

So why is pyro 6k larger than CR?

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Originally Posted by tetley

So why is pyro 6k larger than CR?

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Maybe they use his time proper and don't GB? Stop cry about Pyro. If they didn't help you, you wont have won your war vs AMA. Im sure if you don't get in time reasonable deal with AMA they can become bigger from you, result from AMA raze Havoc.

Getting fun~! but I think Pyro won't get out unscathed from their cowardly action.

Wonder what they will do to Pyro

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Originally Posted by scitzo

Getting fun~! but I think Pyro won't get out unscathed from their cowardly action.

Wonder what they will do to Pyro

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Fair GB :P

Elit, maybe you will be saved by them, if the attention ever turn to them at some point. xD

Back out, aim for crown. Pretty smart and legit move.

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Originally Posted by Elit

Maybe they use his time proper and don't GB? Stop cry about Pyro. If they didn't help you, you wont have won your war vs AMA. Im sure if you don't get in time reasonable deal with AMA they can become bigger from you, result from AMA raze Havoc.

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When did I war AMA elit??

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Originally Posted by tetley

When did I war AMA elit??

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Sorry i mean Havoc.
Still drinking my morning coffee and do Diplo :)

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Originally Posted by Elit

Sorry i mean Havoc.
Still drinking my morning coffee and do Diplo :)

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Yea, I am not involved in any of it. I just curious why Pyro said they would raze down to size and now have even backed out of that :)

"You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other."

Palem plays Taylor Swift in AMA, or so i heard.

If you read these forums enough you start to see a pattern or style of writing. It's pretty obvious to me scitzo is american Badass. Don't hide behind your fake forum name AB, trying to be all politically correct then writing crap with this fake name.