Game Needs More Good kds Competing

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Originally Posted by Palem

No one who is under #5 could beat Sanctuary, or the other 4 consistently good kds, in a war on even ground.

Winning against bad kds does not make you good.

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To the ghetto kitties defense, they do war good kds, but only while they're out of range with the game mechanics on their side.

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This again.. We would love to warrar some kd's smaller than us, but we never get waved by any and whenever we wave/ask for war with a smaller kd they say "no can has".

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Originally Posted by fwordz

This again.. We would love to warrar some kd's smaller than us, but we never get waved by any and whenever we wave/ask for war with a smaller kd they say "no can has".

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That's because you are too active to be a ghetto and don't grow enough to truly compete. You don't adapt to make yourselves competitive like you should be. You run your kingdom like a warring kingdom but your activity puts you too close to the top to play it the same way. You put yourself in that crappy range of kds where there's nothing to do but ghetto bash and mess with top kds to no benefit.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

It's basically on topic Palem, and speaks to your points. Simians is an example of a kd like Cats, they war top kds yes, but only to mess with people, never to really compete with them. The kds with that level of activity are the ones who need to man up and make a run. Stop the BS and make the effort to compete for real.

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Why? why would we wanna fight for a pointless crown? =)

@Elurin - I agree that kds should play the way they're comfortable/happy playing. However, with the changes to warring and such and SPGC's skill, they could easily make a crown run based on warring alone and about as much diplo as you already do. Don't try to claim that you don't play "that game" because you do, even if it's at a minimal level.

@fwordz - Why fight for a pointless war win?

You know, I object to the idea that KDs sandbag themselves in land. Generally speaking, in my KD (which people accuse of sandbagging in land because we land-drop 250% aver NW provinces) we actually net GROW in EoW CF. In a given war, lets say we all start at 1K acres. At the end, we have two or three provinces at 2500 and like 5 at under 500 acres. The rest are spread form 1750 to 1K acres. We raze the 2500 down to 2K and we explore the 500 up to 1K so we lose 1500 and gain 2500, net gain of 1K and then we war whoever is in range.

We are not big because we war long wars. You simply do not gain as much land in a 10 day war as you do out whoring in the same 10 days. Period.

Are we sandbagging ourselves because we take the honor reward? Too bad. We like honor!

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Originally Posted by fwordz

Why? why would we wanna fight for a pointless crown? =)

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Why do you fight for pointless war wins?

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Originally Posted by Sheister

You know, I object to the idea that KDs sandbag themselves in land. Generally speaking, in my KD (which people accuse of sandbagging in land because we land-drop 250% aver NW provinces) we actually net GROW in EoW CF. In a given war, lets say we all start at 1K acres. At the end, we have two or three provinces at 2500 and like 5 at under 500 acres. The rest are spread form 1750 to 1K acres. We raze the 2500 down to 2K and we explore the 500 up to 1K so we lose 1500 and gain 2500, net gain of 1K and then we war whoever is in range.

We are not big because we war long wars. You simply do not gain as much land in a 10 day war as you do out whoring in the same 10 days. Period.

Are we sandbagging ourselves because we take the honor reward? Too bad. We like honor!

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"We don't sandbag, we just raze ourselves" lolwut?

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Originally Posted by fwordz

This again.. We would love to warrar some kd's smaller than us, but we never get waved by any and whenever we wave/ask for war with a smaller kd they say "no can has".

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Try a larger KD and maybe you can has that cheezburger :) But i understand what you are saying, its stale, static and limited choices at the top of the NW scale.

So who's in next age for redefining the top of the utopia NW charts? Lets get some of the great kds that are purposfuly staying small up into the mix of the top. Lets see someone take home the Quad crown (NW/Land/Honour/WW).

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Originally Posted by DHaran

That's because you are too active to be a ghetto and don't grow enough to truly compete. You don't adapt to make yourselves competitive like you should be. You run your kingdom like a warring kingdom but your activity puts you too close to the top to play it the same way.

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I didn't say we didn't get wars.. I asked if it's such a great advantage, why don't people take advantage of it. we were 7th at the end of last age, still noone used this great "advantage" against us.

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Originally Posted by Spahrep

Try a larger KD and maybe you can has that cheezburger :) But i understand what you are saying, its stale, static and limited choices at the top of the NW scale.

So who's in next age for redefining the top of the utopia NW charts? Lets get some of the great kds that are purposfuly staying small up into the mix of the top. Lets see someone take home the Quad crown (NW/Land/Honour/WW).

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Makeing honor more tied in with land somehow would probably be a good change.

Like makeing kds beeing unable to pick between honor and land (make it so it gives both) and/or make honor gains from WW depends on acres not honor.

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Originally Posted by fwordz

I didn't say we didn't get wars.. I asked if it's such a great advantage, why don't people take advantage of it. we were 7th at the end of last age, still noone used this great "advantage" against us.

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You are better than pretty much everyone below you. There are kingdoms above you which you could be better than if you tried to be.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Why do you fight for pointless war wins?



"We don't sandbag, we just raze ourselves" lolwut?

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-1500 + 2500 = net gain 1000 in EoW CF

NOT sandbagging ourselves. We grew. I think even you can do that math.

**edit** I suppose it is just upsetting that we don't let our provinces get out of range so larger KD's can feed onus for easy acres. That is probably more the root of the objections people have to land drop.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Why do you fight for pointless war wins?



"We don't sandbag, we just raze ourselves" lolwut?

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You don't get the point. What is ponitless or not depends on what you see yourself as pointless/important If we find wars more interesting then crown becomes pointless for us, for others this might be the other way around. Point is why would we bother trying to compete for something we don't find interesting =)

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Originally Posted by DHaran

You are better than pretty much everyone below you. There are kingdoms above you which you could be better than if you tried to be.

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That might or might not be true, but untill there are some changes to mechanics we wount know I guess =)

Warring better kds > warring worse kds

Cats are good and pushed us to our max endurance. I still think if I had not gotten exhausted we could have beaten them but after 14 days I was done. I know most of the players in my KD were upset when I withdrew and they had more fight in them, but there was no one left to continue to lead the war.

There are kingdoms that can hang with cats, but when you commit to war them, you have to know going in that you will require some strong activity for a very long time.