Age 68 preliminary changes

The Wall: New monarch option to block randoms provinces from joining a kingdom. Causes kingdoms wages to increase by 20%.
- Brilliant add.

War win reward: Not granted if the kingdoms are out of range at war start.
- Sweet, good change that.

War declaration: Requires 2 different people to have attacked.
- Would like to see this increased to 3, but thats just me maybe?

Fortified and End of War ceasefire: maximum time reduced to 48 hours each. Double wizards removed.
- EoWCF could do with being 72hrs, I agree 96hrs is too long, but 48hrs means a lot of farming.
- Double Wiz removal, Bad move, i think its added more wars having the double wizards, as rebuild has been quicker. (maybe only make it for losing side?)

Aggressive stance attack time buffed to -15%.
- Nice, good change.

Draft locked and timer message: Will be displayed on the military page around age start.
- Not sure what good this will do? but if it helps others fair enough.

Aid page: Will inform you that sending aid counts as an aggressive action.
- Glad to see this change, would be good.

Anonymity: This spell will case the target to lose honor, but the attack will not gain it.
- Simply the best change that could happen for now, like it a lot, will hopefully prevent a lot of the stronger war tiers to landdrop to fight ghettos, in order to win honour crown.

Tree of Gold: Reduced amount gained form this spell by 30%.
- Was overpowered, hope this one stays as change.


Guilds: Unaffected by BE for the purposes of calculating spell duration.
- Sounds okay, especially when all T/Ms seem nerf'd and attackers finally being more powerful + with changes a lot less UB provinces in war.


The elite strenght does seem a fair bit overpowered on some, i think that needs to be tuned down a bit, but overall nothing really complainable apart from i think some of the changes will slow down war preparations and give less wars but more farming of people just out of war.

Why are people so quick to complain about elites? getting elites should be hard to gain and not something easily trained, if all uses specs and attempts to grow in elites it makes the game more fun, its equal for all afterall, so saying elites are too expensive is just because you are used to running full elites, i on the otherhand think that its good elites are expensive so we see less full elite provinces and more use of specs as a weapon and as a skill on fighting.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Why would you make all elites more expensive and cut end of war ceasefire to 48 hours? Just means no kingdom can defend themselves after a war. If anything, End of war ceasefire should be increased to 5 days, or should have the + Draft rate bonus that fort has, not cut to 2.

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Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

Agree with Flog. This is a huge disincentive to war, especially at the top with all the vultures waiting to pounce once u leave EOW CF.

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72 hours plus quicker build/train would be a nice compromise.
But re: the disincentive to war:
Is that so bad? War should leave you tattered and torn, and vulnerable.

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Originally Posted by topsy's revenge

The eowcf/fort changes mean last one to stay oow wins age.

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Meh, if say me and you are competing to crown we'd just CF pre-age, as would I imagine all the whoring kds. We do miss out on the threat and fun of trying to wave week 1 , though.

Heretic successful casts should also refund 50% of the mana!

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

so saying elites are too expensive is just because you are used to running full elites, i on the otherhand think that its good elites are expensive so we see less full elite provinces and more use of specs as a weapon and as a skill on fighting.[/B]

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The thing is, people don't war until they feel like they're ready. There's nothing stopping people from pumping for 4 weeks to get all of their elites pumped out, which means that's what kingdoms are going to do. What's worse is that they're rewarded for doing so because they have a tremendous advantage over people that didn't pump elites and are using specs.

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Originally Posted by Palem

The thing is, people don't war until they feel like they're ready. There's nothing stopping people from pumping for 4 weeks to get all of their elites pumped out, which means that's what kingdoms are going to do. What's worse is that they're rewarded for doing so because they have a tremendous advantage over people that didn't pump elites and are using specs.

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Wars are few and far between as is. I don't like the direction these changes are suggesting, larger gaps in between wars with longer growth periods. That's fine and dandy for those who play to grow but for me sitting in the war tier this is my worst nightmare :(

Faeries at the very least need a pop bonus and cheaper elites.

I really like the overall changes. I have just a couple thoughts.
1. Sages- with the new numbers 40k books will be nothing. The changes and high leet values are going to have people gorwing much more efficiently. 40k books is really nothing to start with in comparison. To balance this out a little I had a thought of adding 10% bonus to learn attacks to the Sage personality which I think would help. As it stands right now most people are going to go heavy attackers and there may be fewer sages. Another possible way to balance this would be access to Focused or Accelerated learning no matter the Kd Stance.
2. War Hero is Immune to Income Penalties. I think this should mean Army will still attack without being paid but at a lesser efficiency. It would boost the use of War Hero and improve the overall personality.

Not really Palem, the thing that could correct that is a bonus for elite credits after each war, or a bit like the Undeads had, but make it so you can only gain elites by attacking in war...

People would wish to war more to gain elites, elites are supposed to be veterans anyway, so why not work towards rewarding kingdoms that war, rather then sit and pump..Make ALL races apart from Faery/Halfers unable to "buy" elites, that would make it a lot more interesting and we would see more people warring rather then sit and do nothing for majority of the age.

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I like this concept. Maybe leet credits are earned in war for all races that attack, including faerys, elves and halfers if they so choose to attack at their own risk of course! :)

You don't think having 100% of your offense on 12 raw is a massive advantage to having 50% of your offense on 12 and 50% on 6? That's 33% more raw offense...

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Not really Palem, the thing that could correct that is a bonus for elite credits after each war, or a bit like the Undeads had, but make it so you can only gain elites by attacking in war...

People would wish to war more to gain elites, elites are supposed to be veterans anyway, so why not work towards rewarding kingdoms that war, rather then sit and pump..Make ALL races apart from Faery/Halfers unable to "buy" elites, that would make it a lot more interesting and we would see more people warring rather then sit and do nothing for majority of the age.

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i like this idea it makes sense to me and would make the battles in the beginning anyways fair in my opinion

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I like this concept. Maybe leet credits are earned in war for all races that attack, including faerys, elves and halfers if they so choose to attack at their own risk of course! :)

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but i think halfers/faery should still be able to "buy"

I am unclear what ToGs range is now. Is it -30 percent, or -30 percentage points? Aka, 10%-50%, or (40%-80%) * .7?

I'll do up some power rankings on the strat forum for trying to balance the military power. Have never understood T/Ms well enough to comment on that balance though.


Edit: Clarification on new NW values for the non-elite units that changed would be good too - how much NW is a horse now? How about the specs? I'll take a guess for now (existing ratio for new value), but listing the NW of everything that changed is critical for planning. If specs buffed to 6 point but stayed 4 NW I'd think we'd see *no* elites, for example.

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Originally Posted by Palem

The thing is, people don't war until they feel like they're ready. There's nothing stopping people from pumping for 4 weeks to get all of their elites pumped out, which means that's what kingdoms are going to do. What's worse is that they're rewarded for doing so because they have a tremendous advantage over people that didn't pump elites and are using specs.

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And kingdoms that draft to 70% are at a disadvantage against kingdoms that can draft to 115%, kingdoms that pump and grow are immediately at a disadvantage...

It is not about meeting some arbitrary bar of pumpedness but about relative performance vs. the target kingdom, and relative strength against kingdoms in your range. The diplo factor and threat of future retaliation / ****play is important too.

The changes to eowcf/fort have a bigger impact in top fights than in the war/ghetto tier. War/ghetto tier will have to wean themselves off the habit of pumping/warring and need to play the game oow.

Hopefully this will lead to an environment where more kingdoms play with growth in mind, trying to put up their own cows (only way to build a worthwhile defensive prov - it's actually been this way for a while, wartier t/m has a lot of problems vs. competent kingdoms).

I don't see an environment where kingdoms would use offspec in place of running lower DR, unless they're a 6/7 pt elite offense race anyway. Orcs would run more dspec or retain more economy before they willingly tank their prov with cruddy ospec.
Training ospec during war or in a pinch is different but that's no different than what goes on now.

Can I get clarification about this?
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Kick people out of accts?
(just curious what this means)