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Are you unable to read. I am saying it limits your wars not that you didn't war at all. I did say mercy in particular warred the least of the ABS kingdoms. I literally wrote down that sanct/rage/hoh warred a bunch of times. But who spent the age pumping and dicing, your the one who said kingdoms were forced to spent most of the age pumping and dicing. Rage did get stuck doing that for awhile because they napped pulse and were napped to abs and had an early lead. Other then that hasn't been much of it...Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRock
See below: I am arguing against this, it seems you guys are now arguing with me and agreeing that the thing below did not happen.
Originally Posted by DHaran
As long as there is one kingdom who will CF and dice/sci pump early age away, everyone else has to do the same, because the game doesn't allow fair competition by playing it any differently. That's what I meant by the game needing change, not the kingdoms style of play.
Pulse and Mercy have not warred continuously, and Pulse and Mercy are the only kingdoms in contention. We had 5 weeks of pumping between our early conflicts and our mid-age war. Had Mercy continued war hunting during that period and Pulse kept pumping, this age would already be over. The later wars are what made the difference for the contending kingdoms, but continuous warring is still not competitive to a kingdom who pumps/dices early.
I don't recall pulse having a 5 week break. You wouldn't be in contention if it wasn't for the psych ward farm out :PQuote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
I am just saying 4-5 wars in an age is about as many as you can expect / would want. If your not in abs you probably would need 2-3 extra wars in an age to have a shot at winning because you will have less EOA naps..
I don't think the game currently requires you to dice and pump more then ~30% of the time to compete for a crown.
I think there needs to be a rule where you need to have crowned before to discuss crowning approach. Like TheRock says, lots of nice stories in here, but it's all wrong.
how about its all stories unless you crowned with over 20k players. So we can ignore all 3 of youQuote:
Originally Posted by Realest
Avian is better than dwarf this late in the age. Dwarf can't match up with avian's speed and stronger elite if both are played optimally, IMO. Dwarves get free buildings but buildings inflate your networth and inflated networth is bad in fights once armies on both sides are to the point that people are 3-4x'ing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
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Originally Posted by goodz
Just so we're clear on what you're sayingQuote:
Originally Posted by goodz
Mercy: 1 5day 1v2 hostile, 2 wars
Pulse: 3 wars
Rage: 3 wars
Mercy: Limited in wars
Pulse: "warring a ton this age"
Rage: "warred a few times but not much"
I'm quoting you here to point out the arguments you make against yourself. I hope you can read this and understand that.
The limiting factor in getting wars is nothing more than who you ally with and who wins them. Rage, Sanc and Mercy have been winning wars this whole age. Kingdoms who win wars grow, kingdoms who lose wars shrink. This is how the game works. What's limited us in wars has simply been that we've won them, or at least lost very closely so we weren't set back. We took about 30% of Insolence's acres in our fight, came out even in our fight vs Pulse and took 25% of Psych Ward's acres in that fight. The kingdoms we beat lost signficantly and winning pushed us further away from smaller kingdoms. We've actually been very judicious in our CFs, only going with the "NAP EVERYONE!!!" play once we were out of war range of basically everyone, and it strategically made no sense to fight anymore. The only other CF we gave without a real fight was BIO, who we CFed when we went after Insolence and haven't been in range for a real fight with in over a month.
Absalom is bad though. Everyone else is just worse (besides the sword kd).
It's not absalom's fault though, it takes 25 players to make a kingdom, and there are just no ambitious players left in this game (unless it's @returning players that want to get a taste of the old days); game's too old.
We can fix this by removing honor, ww chart, and paradise. That way, new players and casual players will have to adapt to getting owned, or die. What you'll see is more long term players coming into the game, and less short term players (short term players are bad). What hooks or breaks a player is how they react to getting owned. Everyone inbetween end up getting bored and eventually quit imo.
To see if im right or wrong, i think freeakstyle would be a good case study. How has their playerbase changed over the last few rounds? Im sure their core play long term, but what about the others? My guess is they cycle players like mad inbetween rounds.
Sks are the best example, they dont last too long, but the players in them only take rounds off; they always come back to the game after a short or long break. Why hasn't simians disbanded? They've tasted being owned.
There are too many kingdoms that think they have "beaten" the game when they get a perfect WW record. WWs and honor is killing the game.
saD.
LOL. U mean being owned since age 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by KuhaN
I'm a short term player. :((
Pulse is about to war a 4th time. You a third. But pulse had a few war wins earlyier in age rather then dicing and imo they warred three good kingdoms where as you had 1 serious war and farmed one ghetto. So I think pulse likely had to spend more time preparing etc. Anyway I guestimated they spent about hald the age in war mode. Probably 10% of it randoming. so imo thats a good spread of the age.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRock
Goodz, I've already told you in this thread you're wrong, why are you trying to tell therock what Pulse did when the leader of Pulse has already contradicted you?Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
We got out of war with sanctuary mid-way through YR1. We started war with Rage April of YR10, meaning we prepped for Rage starting July of YR9. That's over 8 weeks in between leaving war with sanctuary and starting prep for Rage in which we had one right, Mercy. That fight didn't last or require 2 weeks of preparation, so we had 2 separate 3 week breaks in between fights.
We randomed harder and faster and better than anyone immediately after warring sanctuary for a few weeks, that's how we got to #1. Since we were #1 first we ran out of targets sooner than the others so they randomed longer as a result. We would have fought Rage (and by extension Mercy a second time) much sooner but Sanctuary did use their position to buy Rage more time, that they needed. I would have liked to Dice/Random less but we Dice/Randomed as much as anyone.
Mercy's was solid in their war with us, but to farm 25-30% land of a kingdom is just.... i wonder if Inso and PW are some kind of really chilled kd that don't really care or just really really bad..
But TheCock also never crowned. ;/Quote:
Originally Posted by Realest
Joncy,
How are you 360k acres? Guess what....winning a war and getting the ridiculous war win bonus. Did you farm that kd? Are they just really really bad or really chilled?
The war win land bonus at such high acres sways objectivity of the war way too much for the simpleton. (Ahem, fix)
Let's look at a hypothetical age ending close matchup btw #1 and #2.
Both kds start at 350k acres
Land exchange is +5% (17.5k acres) for the winning party.
Winner becomes 385k -- (350000 + 17500)*1.05
Loser becomes 315k -- (350000 - 17500)*.95
Damn, 70k difference.....Is this a farming??? Debate.
The war win bonus promote wars and the best kd prevail....if you think that the bonus is overpowered, then win your war to claim it. Dont jealous of other poeple prize.
Not jealous of the prize...just shedding light on incorrect farmout war efforts....
Haha Inso and PW is a farmout war :P
Inso was not a war.....Try to be relevant when upping your post count.
Thanks
you jealous of thier farmout?
But PW was :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ervgotti
Burn. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
Pulse had THE SAME NUMBER OF FIGHTS as Mercy. Mercy had one less conflict go to war. That's literally the only difference between us. We fought at nearly identical points in the age (Mercy vs Inso came during/after Sanc vs Pulse, Mercy vs Pulse was obviously identical, Mercy vs Psych Ward came a couple of weeks before Rage vs Pulse). What you "think" is irrelevant, these are facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by goodz
You're trying to present a narrative that doesn't reflect reality. In plain terms, you're making **** up that isn't true. I fail to see how a kingdom that warred OOP could "spend more time preparing" than a kingdom that had to pump to topfeed wave the top kingdom. Also, if you think we didn't execute a lengthy and massive pump to fight Psych Ward, you're crazy.
I'm done responding to you, goodz. I've shown, time and again, that what you say is not true. I've pointed out how you contradict yourself, and I've pointed out how what you've posted is completely wrong - that the facts show that what you're saying is completely untrue. Your posts are almost entirely wrong repeatedly, and are not worth any more of my time.
Good luck with the rest of your age.
oh damn, goodz getting schooled big time.
TheRock become way too serious, he was better when he was a nub.
the cock b mad tho.
The difference between a war and a conflict is pretty significant.
Only mad that my power's out until Saturday night :) The rest is just calling out bull****, it's been a fun ride telling people their lies and lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuhaN
Ball don't lie
Yeah, we didn't get the boosts of postwar and the war win. Other than that? 500 hits exchanged between two kingdoms over 5 days is really not that different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
There's nth to debate abt whether trinity/fury/pw is a bad kd. y u mad though?Quote:
Originally Posted by ervgotti
I would love to hear you justify that opinion. If anything a quality and lengthy hostile is more difficult than a war; working around GBP, hitting NW efficient, no war bonuses, no protection from outside kingdoms, no EOW recovery period, etc etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Aww TheRock already beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRock
More difficult and not as good of a reward.
Less land gains
Minimal honor gains
No war win bonuses
Wait a minute did you just own yourself? Or these are not significant differences between war and a conflict?Quote:
I would love to hear you justify that opinion. If anything a quality and lengthy hostile is more difficult than a war; working around GBP, hitting NW efficient, no war bonuses, no protection from outside kingdoms, no EOW recovery period, etc etc etc.
Which supports our point of view, so thanks I guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
The context of the convo is that Pulse had a harder time cuz they warred once more than we did, when in reality we had the same number of conflicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Pulse had a harder time cuz Pulse warred 3 cleric kingdoms and not a sage and merchant kingdom, neither of which were pumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
The kingdom quality wasn't the discussion, though I would say we both had early wins (which only you got bonuses for) and a farm war late, all of which required pumping for, so let's not exaggerate the difference. goodz was trying to say we were sitting and dicing/pumping while you were warring, we're just pointing out that inaccuracy of that particular statement, as outlined in TheRock's posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
There are differences, but the discussion is around significant fights. Everyone agrees war is a significant fight, and anyone would agree here that our fight with Insolence was not a 2 wave walkover, but a hard-fought battle which severely impacted both kingdoms. As such, it's applicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You're smarter than that, Korp :)
Pulse had a harder time because Pulse had to war Absalom kingdoms and Mercy did notQuote:
Originally Posted by flogger
#AbsalomFTW
Was gunnar say. Be bad for morale if kd members are saying they're only as good as fury and inso of this age.
yes but using this logic one can conclude that up to this point in age Pulse proved to be much better than all abs kd's.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRock