BB vs ASFKD?

Interesting/unusual things or note strategically:

1) What, exactly, does sab wizards do? mid-way through the war I noticed their chainees LL'ing more than I would have liked to, and since we chained all their thieves away, sab wizards was fairly easy. Was really annoyed when after 15 sab wizzes an hour before he got home (in almost perfect NW range), that one 1,000 NWPA dude was able to LL effectively. That was around the time I was ready for that war to end. I was sending 2x his acres as my thieves sent.

2) Gold dragon - Since we're light on thief mages, makes sense. I suspect it was to cut down on our watchtowers, and we were pretty "important building" heavy as it was. The damage on the rune production probably hurt the most, as that took away a good part of our ability to fireball. I'm sure there was intermittent starving here and there as well, but with armies coming back every 7 hours I ain't got time to scout for that.

3) If an enemy kd shells out with AW a province for strategic LL, is it lame or not to intra hit your own dude down? I didn't know so didn't order it. That province was important to us as well as it was starting our chains.

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Originally Posted by Palem

If they messed with both kingdoms in a hostile why wouldn't someone mess with both kingdoms in their hostile?

Don't answer. Just trying to make a point.
gg ASF & company

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The point you're trying to make is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Palem

I'm gonna stop being helpful and explaining exactly why things are happening. All I get is grief and trolling.

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You're not being helpful by posting something that makes absolutely zero sense.

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Originally Posted by protector

You're not being helpful by posting something that makes absolutely zero sense.

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palem spelled backwards is melap

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Originally Posted by flogger

Interesting/unusual things or note strategically:

1) What, exactly, does sab wizards do? mid-way through the war I noticed their chainees LL'ing more than I would have liked to, and since we chained all their thieves away, sab wizards was fairly easy. Was really annoyed when after 15 sab wizzes an hour before he got home (in almost perfect NW range), that one 1,000 NWPA dude was able to LL effectively. That was around the time I was ready for that war to end. I was sending 2x his acres as my thieves sent.

2) Gold dragon - Since we're light on thief mages, makes sense. I suspect it was to cut down on our watchtowers, and we were pretty "important building" heavy as it was. The damage on the rune production probably hurt the most, as that took away a good part of our ability to fireball. I'm sure there was intermittent starving here and there as well, but with armies coming back every 7 hours I ain't got time to scout for that.

3) If an enemy kd shells out with AW a province for strategic LL, is it lame or not to intra hit your own dude down? I didn't know so didn't order it. That province was important to us as well as it was starting our chains.

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for 1), i noticed the poor effects of SW in my war vs CR. 1 of my chained got massive-ed SW, but barely dropped any significant mana.. and could still FB

Why would it be lame? By the bay, I've always advocated AW on soft targets to get the core involved. Detractors say it makes chaining objectives harder. I'm not arguing that, just that it depends what you plan to do in certain instances.

When you face the likes of ASF maybe you already have a feel for how to conduct yourself in war. Maybe you guys could agree to have a kitchen sink war, but even that would require some limits.

I don't agree with you strato. Why would you waste so much stealth on something probably a massacre side-hit can achieve?

Because you're talking about after chain and I'm talking before. If you have taps available then fine, if not....the idea is you're preparing them to be knocked down. Perhaps the attacker is turtling and paripheral ops have merit.

Worked out last age that SW is total garbage waste of time, unlike ET which when used correctly (on declare ET chain halfer rogue) is devastating

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Originally Posted by ZenithSun

Worked out last age that SW is total garbage waste of time, unlike ET which when used correctly (on declare ET chain halfer rogue) is devastating

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If you're sending 10 thieves or so of course it's a waste of time. The amount of mana that's reduced is dependent on the # of thieves you sent. I only tested it it once ages ago with another province - and the conclusion from that was you need a whole lotta thieves. AW just seems like a better use of stealth.

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Originally Posted by StratOcastle

Because you're talking about after chain and I'm talking before. If you have taps available then fine, if not....the idea is you're preparing them to be knocked down. Perhaps the attacker is turtling and paripheral ops have merit.

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^^^^

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Originally Posted by inventio

If you're sending 10 thieves or so of course it's a waste of time. The amount of mana that's reduced is dependent on the # of thieves you sent. I only tested it it once ages ago with another province - and the conclusion from that was you need a whole lotta thieves. AW just seems like a better use of stealth.

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Not when you dont have enough rogue stealth..

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Originally Posted by inventio

If you're sending 10 thieves or so of course it's a waste of time. The amount of mana that's reduced is dependent on the # of thieves you sent. I only tested it it once ages ago with another province - and the conclusion from that was you need a whole lotta thieves. AW just seems like a better use of stealth.

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Who said anything about 10 thieves? Of course 10 thieves wouldn't do anything to someones mana... if you read up you'll see flogger speaking about 2* targets acres in # of thieves.
And AWing a chained province is a waste of time.

umm AW is awesome if you can AW its great. Even if you're just opening up landlust acres for unbreakables. Its very hard to keep land if you can be landlusted very easily which makes it hard to win wars. AW>Prop>NS. Rioting and stealing are also awesome. Thieves have a place but are much better bottomfeeding then topfeeding. Magic works somewhat okay topfeeding do to fireballs.

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Originally Posted by protector

Who said anything about 10 thieves? Of course 10 thieves wouldn't do anything to someones mana... if you read up you'll see flogger speaking about 2* targets acres in # of thieves.
And AWing a chained province is a waste of time.

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Well, I wasn't replying to flogger's post but to the general discussion about SW. Plenty of people out there who don't understand the mechanics. AND...not that this is something that I've done, but if you have a chained province with high enough WPA to FB a strategically important province, and you happen to have a chained T/M, then it might be worth it. Might.

A lot of things in Utopia is ESID, and blanket statements like that are stupid.

Hmmm, I'm adding a new one to my list of incendiary phrases:

1. Undead cleric with hospitals
2. Vortex math
3. Intelligent blanket statement

* I offer an apology to BB because Emeriti caught me going commando on a retal. - I think that's on topic.