Razing into an open war.

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

21-06-2017, 01:19
Palem

Quote:

Originally Posted by StratOcastle

I'm never able to convince my monarchs of this important detail: don't float a CF without terms.

As you guessed, they simply reset relations. Position is key and you have none. Since I empathize with your feelings(not your actions) I recommend not sending a CF. You can send messages and attempt to resolve this.

Never beg, just don't be rude. It's just a game with PKing as a possible scenario.

Listen to him.
21-06-2017, 01:24
stealth4785

Quote:

Originally Posted by Persain

Standard war kds train up to 4-6 peasents per acre. Geting the gc to do that is realitvely easy and can be done during a single fort stance if you train leets first. They aim for lets say 10 epa, 8 dsepc/acre 2 tpa 2 wpa and 5 ppa is very reasonable to get that pump done and you never have to sit with more than 1 million gc on hand. Your 1000 acre prov could even hold and extra 600k gc for "dragons". So lets see see stay under 1.5 million gc at 1000 acres easy, no real risk of stealing, dont need that much GC on hand....no worries

When you compare that to say a top kd who is say 3000 acres right now a compareable amount of "Gc they need to stay under" is 4.5 million on hand? They'll also need 1.8 million gc extra for a dragon. Thats to be similarlly trained as a war kd. Factor in that their training goal are often 0 ppa or lower and they tyically need to hold onto 2-3 times what a normal war tier would need to train+dragon. However when those provs cant stock more than 1 million gc before geting rob'ed its like the war kds geting robed everytime they save up more than 250k gc. You try that, have 3 of your provs loging ni 5 times a day to train and STILL geting their gc stolen.

thats not even adressing the issue of...top kds train lower, training lower means losing gc can mean losing a war before it even starts. You save up 8 of the 25 million gc your gonna need only to lose 7 million to a kd and watch how annoyed they get and how unsympathetic they are when another kd starts razing you.

I think you underestimate what us "standard war KDs" train to regarding epa, dspa, tpa and wpa.
21-06-2017, 01:29
Humanoize

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealth4785

I think you underestimate what us "standard war KDs" train to regarding epa, dspa, tpa and wpa.

I dont think he does. NW/acre difference between warring and whoring wars are obvious. Also persainCAT has been in the warring tier for ages and succesfull at it.
21-06-2017, 01:35
Lestat

Quote:

Originally Posted by swatkat

I think Bart had the moral high ground for the retal..

https://i.imgflip.com/1r8i05.jpg via Imgflip Meme Generator
21-06-2017, 01:56
Humanoize

https://i.imgflip.com/1r8j59.jpg
21-06-2017, 02:04
Maximo

Hint to 7:7:
1. Apologize to Bart in public forums and mean it.
2. Ask for EoA CF
3. Profit

Despite how everyone wants to paint Bart, he is generally pretty reasonable.
21-06-2017, 02:49
JusticeLeague

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximo

Hint to 7:7:
1. Apologize to Bart in public forums and mean it.
2. Ask for EoA CF
3. Profit

Despite how everyone wants to paint Bart, he is generally pretty reasonable.

What happened to those guys who keep stirring with Bart last few ages..who sworn to get back at him?
All talks only? haha
21-06-2017, 03:50
Crunch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illy

Hello,

I am a province in the kingdom of 7:7. Currently we are at war with 4:11.
Since yesterday, the kingdom of (2:2) is razing our provinces, interfering with our war.
So far they have killed 2 of our provinces.

Can i do something about this interference (like report them to some higher power) and if yes, what exactly?
If not, i would like to suggest to change razing to either not be available when hitting into a war from outside, or to at least allow the people in the war to also raze acres. If province killing is not seen as an issue (since provinces from outside the war can do it so easily), then allow the people inside the war to also do it properly

Thank you,
Illy

just raze 2.2 when they go to war . simple really nice thread i'm sure others will join in too
21-06-2017, 04:39
Persain

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealth4785

I think you underestimate what us "standard war KDs" train to regarding epa, dspa, tpa and wpa.

this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humanoize

I dont think he does. NW/acre difference between warring and whoring wars are obvious. Also persainCAT has been in the warring tier for ages and succesfull at it.

As just an example in the past 3 ages my kd has sat in the 40-15 nw/land range for wars ALL age. i personally have trained to almost exactly those numbers every early-mid age (well i normally do 1 tpa 3 wpa and max wt but thats basically the same thing). I've had my kd go like 15/15 too so if u're a war kd and u think u need to get to 1-2 ppa or have 50-60% homes and train to 30+ pop/acre your deluding yourself.

Its VERY differnt when your in the whore tier because you cant simply steamroll someone with better in war tactics or better activity....more military is important
21-06-2017, 04:43
mystyka

July 22 of YR3 Bart Is Razekilling Robbers (2:2) has accepted our ceasefire proposal!

At the end of the day:
** The kingdom of 7:7 **
Total land exchanged: +59 (115/213).

After that 2:2 broken cf and starting again with raze:))
January 4 of YR4 Bart Is Razekilling Robbers (2:2) has broken their ceasefire agreement with us!

If you still believe this is about robbing ...
If we can't kill provinces in 4:11 in war, who could help us with raze oow hits on them?
Kidding. We are not that frustrated.
21-06-2017, 04:52
Elit

mystyka: when you do CF normally you set terms and both KDs know when CF can be broken and when no. For example CF can be EOA or till YR XX. Send in game CF with no terms is typical mistake, other party can accept it and break just for reset meter. I have see it many times and its not related to moral...but to bad diplo from one party.

when you get in game msg from big KD for stop robing and CF don't delay answer and set deal with terms asap. Its how you can prevent escalate problems. Being good King is not easy job.
21-06-2017, 05:16
JusticeLeague

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elit

mystyka: when you do CF normally you set terms and both KDs know when CF can be broken and when no. For example CF can be EOA or till YR XX. Send in game CF with no terms is typical mistake, other party can accept it and break just for reset meter. I have see it many times and its not related to moral...but to bad diplo from one party.

Can you put those unwritten protocols into the guide? Because I think such practice are generally done by veteran utopia players.
New guys who started playing not long ago wont know and getting maul for the lack of such knowledge. Tough life
21-06-2017, 05:23
Elit

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticeLeague

Can you put those unwritten protocols into the guide? Because I think such practice are generally done by veteran utopia players.
New guys who started playing not long ago wont know and getting maul for the lack of such knowledge. Tough life

With my perfect English i cant :)
But i really think here need to be topic or part in Guide with advices like it. New people don't know how to sense troubles and deal proper. Often veterans are way to harsh too.

My one age in CR they had problem to get CF with one small kingdom. I contacted monarch and after short talk we able to set deal and part with not bad feelings.
21-06-2017, 06:00
Bart of Sparta

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximo

Hint to 7:7:
1. Apologize to Bart in public forums and mean it.
2. Ask for EoA CF
3. Profit

Despite how everyone wants to paint Bart, he is generally pretty reasonable.

I don't even need an apology. EOA CF is on offer for 1.5 days now... the current razing isn't related to them stealing, but to them refusing to CF and keeping up the option to hit us in our wars --> this means we gotta make sure that doesn't happen.
21-06-2017, 06:09
Korp

The great Bart can't even handle a ghetto. lol.
21-06-2017, 06:26
Ursuul

I wonder... what would Bart's response be to farming on a ghetto, and them FG'ing millions of gc in retaliation? I reckon his ego would claim some sort of false justification in RK'ing them.
21-06-2017, 06:41
JusticeLeague

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ursuul

I wonder... what would Bart's response be to farming on a ghetto, and them FG'ing millions of gc in retaliation? I reckon his ego would claim some sort of false justification in RK'ing them.

He just enjoyed the feeling of being in control....
21-06-2017, 06:47
mystyka

January 13 of YR4

Real Date
Wed, 21 Jun at 06:02 GMT+00:00

Sender
King Tianzi the Sorcerer of Huang Shang (2:2)

Recipient
Queen Lysbeth the Hero of Pufosenia (7:7)

Subject
Yo

Lemme know when you finally wanna agree to an EOA CF. I don't enjoy razing into people's wars, and I had hoped to be done with the first 2.

Game Date
January 13 of YR4

Real Date
Wed, 21 Jun at 06:06 GMT+00:00

Sender
Queen Lysbeth the Hero of Pufosenia (7:7)

Recipient
King Tianzi the Sorcerer of Huang Shang (2:2)

Subject
Re:Yo

ok cf till eoa

January 13 of YR4 We have proposed a ceasefire offer to Bart Is Razekilling Robbers (2:2).
January 13 of YR4 Xiao Qiao (2:2) razed 15 acres of Pacala (7:7).
January 13 of YR4 Xiao Qiao (2:2) razed 15 acres of Pacala (7:7).
January 13 of YR4 Xiao Qiao (2:2) razed 6 acres of Pacala (7:7).
January 13 of YR4 Alas, the once proud province of Pacala has collapsed and lies in ruins
21-06-2017, 07:35
JusticeLeague

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystyka

January 13 of YR4

Real Date
Wed, 21 Jun at 06:02 GMT+00:00

Sender
King Tianzi the Sorcerer of Huang Shang (2:2)

Recipient
Queen Lysbeth the Hero of Pufosenia (7:7)

Subject
Yo

Lemme know when you finally wanna agree to an EOA CF. I don't enjoy razing into people's wars, and I had hoped to be done with the first 2.

Game Date
January 13 of YR4

Real Date
Wed, 21 Jun at 06:06 GMT+00:00

Sender
Queen Lysbeth the Hero of Pufosenia (7:7)

Recipient
King Tianzi the Sorcerer of Huang Shang (2:2)

Subject
Re:Yo

ok cf till eoa

January 13 of YR4 We have proposed a ceasefire offer to Bart Is Razekilling Robbers (2:2).
January 13 of YR4 Xiao Qiao (2:2) razed 15 acres of Pacala (7:7).
January 13 of YR4 Xiao Qiao (2:2) razed 15 acres of Pacala (7:7).
January 13 of YR4 Xiao Qiao (2:2) razed 6 acres of Pacala (7:7).
January 13 of YR4 Alas, the once proud province of Pacala has collapsed and lies in ruins

The reply will be
I got to rush off, didn't see your reply on the acceptance of eoacf
Or
my guys finger too fast
21-06-2017, 08:13
portofelia

razing into war is a bs move imo...
last age bart player the "we have 2 mill off and we raze kill kd crap"...i think we should get all the server to raze kill into their every conflict...lets see how they react to that...
21-06-2017, 08:32
Bart of Sparta

Accepting the EOA CF. Offered CF and ordered to hold hits.

Sorry lol, was in transit/meeting.

Edit: We will compensate you for the last razekill, that was NOT intended.
21-06-2017, 08:36
StratOcastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by portofelia

razing into war is a bs move imo...
last age bart player the "we have 2 mill off and we raze kill kd crap"...i think we should get all the server to raze kill into their every conflict...lets see how they react to that...

Regardless the subject, casual players don't unite. This parallels RL. I'd like it to be different.

Bart came from the base, just like anyone else. Guys aren't profound geniuses very often, so most of these in game powers are the willingness to lead.

I can relate with players who just want to play, but these situations come up every age. I'll say it again: if you're not competing for charts or crowns then you build to top feed. This is more complex than being an big attacker. You build meter friendly so you have flexibility throughout relations.

Truthfully, nobody will save this kingdom. They don't have the moral fortitude to deal with the initial trespass of 7:7 and the bravery to take on Bart. Now I suggest a top kingdom step in to talk to both parties, but I'm betting it's unlikely to get done.

On the positive side, everybody here is learning. People should be nice, but they aren't. If we want to enjoy gaming we must accept that reality.
21-06-2017, 08:45
Bart of Sparta

It's simple, you don't bother me I don't bother you. The only thing I want is to live in peace and move from war to war based on mutual agreement. I never wave for war, nor do feed-waves to get sci/land. However, if you do bother me, my reactions will be harsher than most. So yea, it's really up to those KDs who think of crossing me to consider the ramifications first.
21-06-2017, 09:22
mystyka

the real problem still exist:
2:2 + 4:11 killed us 5 provinces (because we are unprotected at raze oow)
we killed only one because in war raze only destroy buildings

you must fix that
21-06-2017, 09:59
Foursup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Folle

If you HAD to fight somebody, wouldnt you rather start the fight when them in chains?

Fk NO! i would start the fight by letting him try to hit first. and not be a fkin pussy. start in chains?? grow some balls
21-06-2017, 10:20
Folle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foursup

Fk NO! i would start the fight by letting him try to hit first. and not be a fkin pussy. start in chains?? grow some balls

Lack of brain is strong in this one.
21-06-2017, 10:33
Foursup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Folle

Lack of brain is strong in this one.

Talking about brain, I belive you should go and get yours checked. And ask the doc to check for when your balls are gonna drop at the same time.
Because if you would rather start a "fight" with them in chains something is really REALLY wrong with you. And how could you even call that a fight?
21-06-2017, 11:02
Bart of Sparta

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foursup

Talking about brain, I belive you should go and get yours checked. And ask the doc to check for when your balls are gonna drop at the same time.
Because if you would rather start a "fight" with them in chains something is really REALLY wrong with you. And how could you even call that a fight?

It's merely an issue of "time" or "sequence". Whereas you might think the fight starts when both parties enter the ring, others believe the fights starts way before.

If I really wanted to win a boxing match, I could hire people to threaten the family of my opponent, ask people to cut down power on his airconditioning, perhaps get him involved in an "accident" a few weeks before the fight. All these factors would contribute to me winning the fight. In the end the world only remembers winners and losers.
21-06-2017, 12:41
cRs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

It's merely an issue of "time" or "sequence". Whereas you might think the fight starts when both parties enter the ring, others believe the fights starts way before.

If I really wanted to win a boxing match, I could hire people to threaten the family of my opponent, ask people to cut down power on his airconditioning, perhaps get him involved in an "accident" a few weeks before the fight. All these factors would contribute to me winning the fight. In the end the world only remembers winners and losers.

damn stop watching so many movies bart. :P

I see this topic turned into a "balls" fight.

Both parties wrong, both parties right... balls everywere thou and it ended up in a big mess.

Bart is overreacting on this and trows all his borring pumping time on 7:7... yeah what they did was wrong and they should be punished/learned a lesson but to kill 25% of theyr kd in a mid war bleh thats just to much eggo - u should give a lesson not to kill a kd.
As I sayed, what 7:7 did was wrong and unfair towards theyr opponent (despite the fact theyr opponent stoled us too pre-war but we didnt had time to "punish" them), but in theyr defence.. they didnt expected such a big mess from some stealing.

The result of all this? bart showing his muscles once again towards a smaller kd, 7:7 learning a lesson about stealing and bart and thats it.
90% of uto doesnt read these forums and dont give a fck about whos who and what they will do if they steal. This will never stop... so gl bart.. 1 kd learned ur lesson - @100 more to go ;)
21-06-2017, 12:57
Bart of Sparta

It's one step at a time really, and I got time!

The advantage is that I'm gathering good material that I can quote to KDs stealing a "bit" from us. I can then send them a message asking them to stop and simply quote this topic or the one from Panthira last age, few others as well. I'd say atm coverage is about 30-40% of the community server-wide, mostly in the top-warring tier. Mind you, this tier is by far most significant because they're the most common perpetrators and have many provinces in range to do the stealing. Trash-tier ghetto's generally don't have the size or skill to do it, and loner provinces are easy to deal with. So I'd say in the "relevant" tier coverage is nearing 90%.
21-06-2017, 13:17
cRs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta

It's one step at a time really, and I got time!

The advantage is that I'm gathering good material that I can quote to KDs stealing a "bit" from us. I can then send them a message asking them to stop and simply quote this topic or the one from Panthira last age, few others as well. I'd say atm coverage is about 30-40% of the community server-wide, mostly in the top-warring tier. Mind you, this tier is by far most significant because they're the most common perpetrators and have many provinces in range to do the stealing. Trash-tier ghetto's generally don't have the size or skill to do it, and loner provinces are easy to deal with. So I'd say in the "relevant" tier coverage is nearing 90%.

Wish u where right... but if I show u our news ull see that stealing comes from everywere (and we had our kd name similar with urs.. but not such a great banner :P).

Sadlly this is the result of ages and ages of gc for land exchange.. war kds cant or dont wanna support themself annymore for some reason so they steal and reply with: we will try to repay u.. bla bla..
And this age is even more annoying cuz whoring kds just dont whore annymore.. they just sit tight and pump.
21-06-2017, 13:32
Swagger

cRs you raze killed a province in my ghetto over 800k gc when you were nowhere near war prep, not sure if you can claim bart is over reacting. We still have hostile ops over a week later btw, but we're being nice and allowing you to war :)
21-06-2017, 13:36
cRs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swagger

cRs you raze killed a province in my ghetto over 800k gc when you were nowhere near war prep, not sure if you can claim bart is over reacting. We still have hostile ops over a week later btw, but we're being nice and allowing you to war :)

We razed u 1 prov, didnt pk.. u killed it :) as for the gold stolen.. that guy stoled us for days before ur war and after.. we razed ur guy in eowcf - allowing u to war aswell cuz as I suggested to bart.. u should give an example not kill a kd.
21-06-2017, 13:37
StratOcastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foursup

Fk NO! i would start the fight by letting him try to hit first. and not be a fkin pussy. start in chains?? grow some balls

Don't worry, I get it.

Cruelty is a question of action. Ones ability to administer cruelty is there for all of us. Just because I can imagine deeper cruelty doesn't make me gifted. There's a way to have fun in Utopia without being negative, but it's harder to find kingdoms that embrace that challenge.

Many think playing "up" is harder. It's not.
21-06-2017, 13:43
Swagger

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRs

We razed u 1 prov, didnt pk.. u killed it :) as for the gold stolen.. that guy stoled us for days before ur war and after.. we razed ur guy in eowcf - allowing u to war aswell cuz as I suggested to bart.. u should give an example not kill a kd.

You took it to 13 acres ,said you wouldn't rk it and that it could explore, then razed it again as soon as he explored over 15 acres. I'd argue that's worse than a raze kill. We've been very tempted to fg all your money since you didn't close relations, but I have reason not to :)
21-06-2017, 13:43
Bart of Sparta

Quote:

Originally Posted by cRs

Wish u where right... but if I show u our news ull see that stealing comes from everywere (and we had our kd name similar with urs.. but not such a great banner :P).

That merely shows how effective my methods are! We don't really suffer a lot from stealing because people know the consequences (sure inviting some of the forum trolls here now to prove me wrong ^^).

And yea the major problem is that most of the warring tier is unwilling to run proper provs anymore and just begs for gc. Even my own KD got spoiled after the golden years of the Sparta-CR partnership.
21-06-2017, 13:49
cRs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swagger

You took it to 13 acres ,said you wouldn't rk it and that it could explore, then razed it again as soon as he explored over 15 acres. I'd argue that's worse than a raze kill. We've been very tempted to fg all your money since you didn't close relations, but I have reason not to :)

a lesson to be learned and remembered ;) but we didnt killed it! :P as for the last hit.. meh one of my guys came up at 3 am drunk... ;) and yeah, thats worse than a PK.. that was the point afterall.
as for the relations... we dont really care, we are as friendly as we can be towards u and the others, thats one of the reason we got really pissed cuz we didnt randomed this age.. was only wars and wars and yet so many kds picking up on us random
21-06-2017, 13:54
Mike^

lol all this lead to bart and his "ghetto" will be considred prime target for stealing every danm time, cant wait to get the option my self.
no respect to bart for his pk, what a douch bag.
21-06-2017, 13:56
Swagger

Should I teach you a lesson back on why not to leave open relations when you're prepping? My kd was thinking about ways to teach you yesterday. Maybe make you post a banner thanking my ghetto for allowing you to war divinity? Your current banner suggest you aren't below self humiliation lol
21-06-2017, 14:00
stealth4785

Quote:

Originally Posted by Persain

this

As just an example in the past 3 ages my kd has sat in the 40-15 nw/land range for wars ALL age. i personally have trained to almost exactly those numbers every early-mid age (well i normally do 1 tpa 3 wpa and max wt but thats basically the same thing). I've had my kd go like 15/15 too so if u're a war kd and u think u need to get to 1-2 ppa or have 50-60% homes and train to 30+ pop/acre your deluding yourself.

Its VERY differnt when your in the whore tier because you cant simply steamroll someone with better in war tactics or better activity....more military is important

Last war I entered with 14epa, 7dspa, 2tpa and 1.2wpa; I think you're underestimating what some of us "standard warring KDs" pump to. By no means am I the rule, but I would easily say I'm not the exception either.

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

All times are GMT. The time now is 17:44.

MUGA GAMING, LLC