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Originally Posted by Zendor
CS on Elf would NOT be pretty swell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andurilas
CS/RM/ToG/QF/Fanaticism/Greater Protection/Town Watch/FoK/Mage's Fury/Invisibility, etc... -- should all be personality spells. Put the self-spells in the personalities section and the offensive spells (besides MS which goes to Mystic) as racial spells. All problems solved FOREVER.
Some times success trumps damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
As far as the changes go, I actually kind of like them. Only suggestions I'd make are:
1) Lower Elf Elite NW a little OR give them a small buff
2) Humans seemed rather OP this age (first age back in While), and I assume the +20% ME is to help offset the -20% gains (seeing as you can go warrior and stack it). But 20% seems harsh. Perhaps reduce both ME and -gains to 15% ?
3) As someone mentioned, as an attacker you run a full elite army. So the War Hero bonus of conversion is used at a very minimum. I enjoy the idea of allowing WH to use spec credits towards elites.
It's cause of cleric.
And i'm more tired of overgrown Humans and in previous ages it was dorf. And UD. Ork is fine, easy to take down.
Humans, dwarfs, undeads, orcs; it doesnt matter. All of those are easy to take out. NS before a chain, cast pitfalls and go for it. I'm just sick of all the unbreakable t/m's with elite defense that can't even be opped away.
Also, will there be any bug fixes? That's the change I'm mostly waiting for.
Yes but ork is easiet to take down from bunch. And human was hardest with def losses bonus. Don't allow TMs to go UB, then you'll be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spons
Humans are freaking ridiculous. Most NW-efficient and cheap elites, free science, strongest army by far, fast start (5/0 offspecs + free science + QF). -20% Gains hurts, but match them up with some orcs and I would be pretty scared
really weakened the avian gladly give back the extra general and no ambush thing for a +1 offensive specialist strength and even a minor training time credit,,, also the halfer why no hospital? why not just a decrease in birth rate to balance the increase in pop. don't you want action in this game? imo decisions on race a personality should be made to increase activity not less. how about just shorten the attack time across the server drop it to say 12 or 13 hours as the default
Avian sucks? I think with +1 gen they're quite strong in long wars, and ambush immunity is really helpful. The price point on Drakes is such that training them mid-war is possible.
I'm not playing next age. Bit disappointed there were no changes to mechanics or metagame.
The -20% gains on Human is pretty harsh if running lots of Humans. As big cows Humans are epic, but running lots of them is problematic. Running a few Humans can turn really bad unless they're in growth kingdoms. In my experience, mixing Humans with other stuff isn't all that great.
Inflating elite nw across the board is an interesting way to balance races. Elf gets a big boost from that, more than many are presuming.
I would really look forward to running lots of Halfer/Rogue next age, if I were playing. The combination of +TPA, population, and Rogue traits is strong enough, but what happened with other races makes it easier. There still needs to be a few heavy hitters to keep defenses honest, prolly Humans for the OME and turtle ability.
I don't see why people are still underrating Elf. They're more securable than they were this age, and Elf didn't have too many issues if they weren't expecting total immunity. Due to the increase in elite nw, their nw range crappiness is less of an issue,.
Restricting ToG is long overdue, and Merchant has taken a big step up because of it.
I don't know why anyone would pick Cleric next round. Dwarf is still pretty weak in these changes, and they were the best Cleric fit. Humans would do much better with Merch or Sage, and the other pure attacker persos have better perks for most races.
WH is pretty awesome for Humans and Elves I think.
I actually really like this post. Very brief/precise. I also like those suggestions. Totally agree with maybe nerfing Dwarf elites to 6/2. Orc/Human -- I'd still actually like to see the -20%s, but no lower than -15%. Good suggestion on Warrior. That's a fun War Hero bonus!! Sage -- though I dislike, is probably more balanced that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
Nice job.
I didn't look at it that way...I mean, you're totally right, but I figured that the -20% gains would scare people away from them being overplayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meeni
Because its an awful tradition. Faeries should at the very least get the +1 D spec, and leet value should be more like 2/6 or 1/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalsdk
I just feel like almost every combination is an attacker based strategy.
Sure, having fat fat cows brings some problems. But why gate Halfers into being A/T? Elfs A/T? Fae M/A?
Give Elf some more magic power! Making towers and guilds 50% more effective would do the trick, or double honor bonuses for WPA multipliers.
Very disappointed in Dwarf past few ages as well. Just a big blob of NW since no fog. Dwarf needs a specialty, the BE and free building just don't quite do it. Maybe a new spell that boosts OME, since fog is gone, or double the sci bonus multipliers for BE! Dwarf hasn't changed in the past few ages.
As much as I'd like to see a serious attacker bonus for elf, 40% WPA bonus WOULD mitigate the complaint that it's not superior enough to faery and provide additional efficiency.