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Hmm, not sure if 3 elves would be the solutions. I mean, in late-war when all provs are crippled faeries can switch to 5 mana ToGging. Elves cannot use their mana as effectively then. I think without the faeries/merchants you're going to have problems finishing dragons. I'm not saying I'm right, as you probably have more knowledge, it's just that I'd like to hear some reasoning ;)
Granted, even with a /5 def spec, three elves would kinda stick out as primary wave targets, unless they got uber-big....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
a single fae mystic could do over half a kd on its own. there just needs to be enough runes lying about to send a chained elf to do the rest. 4 mystics is alot safer than 3 thouQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Brezenski
Why gives a ToG race a primary role that requires mana if you are going to have them ToG. Chances are that if they have bad wpa from AW they are going to have no econ due to ease of fbing. If you plan to use ToG in war, pick a defensive pers like sage/wh or pick rogue to make use of the dmg modsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
Please add the following:
- Watch towers thievery protection also acts for magic in equal percentages (failure and identification)
- Thief dens have double effectiveness for Rogues... only fair to the boost mystics have
- Allow Love and Peace to block and remove Chastity the same way NB does with the plague and storms/droughts. At the moment there are too many spells without a blocker against an attacker's population (MS, Storms, Chastity, Fireballs) and no spell that can stop them except for NB which only affects Storms.
- Please move those -50% losses from elves to faeries. As a faery you train all those expensive elites and lose tones of them with each attack, when the elves pay almost nothing for specs, have a low NW/A and on top of all that they lose far less. It is a triple bonus that causes a huge unbalance vs T/M that go halfer or faery.
1. Magic does not work the same as thievery. Thieves can break down a mage, a mage just just remove his economy and do damage over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gn28
2. Double TD's are broken. They are not coming back
3. As 1.
4. An elf isnt designed to be a TM, halfers and faerys do it much better. This bonus allows hybrid elves to be built up to unbreakable with less risk, Faery being hit at start of war once or twice makes no gain out of this at all
1 and 3 - the fact that one is not like the other is not a counter argument for not allowing a far and equal protection against both. That deflection did work for Ge0rge Bu$h Jr, but it won't work here. As far as the thief vs mage reference goes, it is really flawed. Have you have had a thief kill a few hundred troops with NS vs having a mage destroy your province before a wave with 5x Amnesia plus 18x Nightmare? You'll hope there's a thief around instead of that mage.Quote:
Originally Posted by crease
2. what is so bad in offering both mystics and rogues an equal bonus?
4. When did you last play Faery? You try to pump elites to protect yourself and you get hit 2x for earns by an SK and lose a crap load of elites you will not be able to train back in less than a week if not more. Elves are a lot stronger and they do get hit a lot less often because of the combination of that defense bonus and the low nw def specs You are saying elf isn't designed as t/m? Well it might not be so, but it is the most resilient T/M race in the game today.
says the ghetto cow.Quote:
Originally Posted by I_am_Spartacus
yawn. game still full of assholes. good thing i don't bother playing any more.
You don't even play any more? You were the main reason I completely changed my mind about being a halfling a/t this age! Ahhh now I just don't know what to do! Haha. I'm very easily influenced. Someone could convince me to play faery tactician I'm sure.
play what you like? i dunno. halfers are still overrated, and have been age after age. halfer is technically good, but many people look at the wrong things as to why they are good.
So if you wish to run pure TMs you would include 0 Elves? I found this age that even with 5 raw wpa on an Elf and the 30% bonus I failed quite a lot of ops. For faeries you'd have to run like 8-9 wpa to get consistently good results on MS. But yeah I'll think it over.
4 faeries > 2 faeries/2 elves?
1. It is a great deflection. Its the only thing Bishop will say on the subject. If a mage is a problem play warrior or suck it up. A mage doesnt destroy your province at all. It does damage over time, or provides support prechain, you were going down regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by gn28
2. You are NOT offering rogues an equal bonus. Double wizard production is exactly the same as half thief cost on halfer? Double towers is the same as double TD's, both are gone no? Jeez
4. Last time i played a faery it was a hybrid oow, its even better at that than the 2/5 faery i was saddled with. As for resilient TM's. Youre makign an argument that a prov OOW matters at all... You get learned and you ask a big kd to anon you for land, they will freely take the acres, presto ur pumped again. Halfer is a better TM than elf, has been for 'ages'
5 raw wpa really isn't that high for an Elf, just means that you get a basic 6.5 mod wpa from racial bonus alone. It's the science that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
Reference from my halfling rogue province: (4.12 Wizards Per Acre)
I also have a weak science modifier: +51.8% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production
I am ignoring everything you said until I figure out the meaning of the Bush comment.. and why it was included.Quote:
Originally Posted by gn28
SK's don't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by gn28
So Faegan, how much mod wpa would you suggest to have a 70-80% MS successrate on the average attacker (2 mod wpa).
8 by your numbers. However alot of attackers are 3-4 mod outside of the lowliest ghettoes. 4x enemy wpa is recommendedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
Really now? I'd say that a KD with 24 active players that is 2x-3x bigger than most average KDs and which retals 5x in case you hit back after one of their small provinces hit you... well I'd call that an SK, maybe not the SKs of 8-10 years ago, but still an SK adjusted for inflation to the rest of the server. This age alone I've had 3 KDs retal with 2 trads and 6 razes in peace because I hit back after one of their small guys traded me and that's standard SK duchy behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by faegan
That is allot of WPA.Quote:
Originally Posted by crease
With RM up that really sucks.
We need a reflect thief op.
Avian needs a small boost, perhaps increased BR bonus. Not sure if that would be too strong.
War Hero needs a small buff, perhaps +15% magic, and thievery defense during war. Maybe to strong.
Like CS?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiggis
Because there is no need to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legality
Let's add a Reflect Attack op:
"Your forces accidently attacked our own defenses allowing the enemy to capture 400 acres of land. We lost 1871 Ghouls and 2835 trolls in this battle. Letting the enemy take control of our land will take 12.04 days."
"Your forces in their confusion massacred your own people"
That's what freeze time is for. I like that it encourages players and kingdoms to actually get more organized, giving them a short amount of time to decide their strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Lets be clear that thats 8 mod wpa not raw. You can reach 8 mod with just 2-2.5 raw at this point in ageQuote:
Originally Posted by tiggis
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Originally Posted by Bukharistan
The higher this modifier is, the greater the:Code:Modifier = Your Mod WPA / Opponent's Mod WPA
- Chance of a Successful Cast
- Chance of Preventing an Opponent's Spell
A quick run around the block in my kingdom says that our Orcs (Warrior, War Hero, Tactician) have around 3 mwpa. I have no clue how successrate grows with above formula. There's also other factors like NW difference, kingdom stance and dragons to take into account....
Note to self: Simians is a SK by above mentioned standardsQuote:
Originally Posted by gn28
Note to gn28: Top kingdoms won't keep trading hits with tiny ghettos; it's not efficient & productive.
Why would you raze that which you can farm?
Why would you farm that which you can cherish?
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Originally Posted by Bukharistan
The point is you don't need 4 faeries to MS blanket a kd, and even though you can only cast it once the actual damage over the 10 hours you have MS will hurt you more than any 4 rogues can do in the same time frame.
Either MS is too powerful or rogues need something to compete. And propoganda as a damage dealer is never very good and it is an extremely selfish use of stealth. Even with good success rate you'll gain a few wizzies, if you are lucky enough theives to cover your failed ops, and a few specs..that will not hurt someone.
At 1500 acres with high TD and high theivery science and yet only 10-15 elites taken on a prop is a joke.
I don't think MS will hurt you as much as 4 halfer/rogues opping you for 10 hours.
But thats a single MS caster that can also op another 10 provs vs 4 slots of rogues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
Are you sure? every hour losing at least a couple of hundred troops plus pessies * 20 provinces = 2000 dead troops every hour = 20000 dead troops in 1 MS wave plus pessies. 2 half decent Mystics should be able to do that many in one wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bukharistan
You think 4 rogues can kill 20k troops and pessies as well. Maybe, if they are very good, but also include the lost thieves as part of that equation, and the fact you are trying up 4 provinces instead of 2.
Ultimately, i like playing rogues mainly because I like stealing stuff, but as a damage dealer, they simply cannot match MS, not even close
unless the guy from down the hall has finally had enough and comes to kick you in the pants.. repeatedly.. like many of us wish.. and then you are physically incapacitated and cannot post the changes in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
As long as they are up when I am choosing my race/pers for next age, I'll be content.
Wow, this is just silly.
War: -20% attack time
Avians: -35% Attack Time
The Tactician: -15% Attack Time
15% Rax: -19% attack time
Wow, this means that on a basic attack time of 16 hours, in war you get: 16*(1-0.2)*(1-0.35)*(1-0.15)*(1-0.19)=5.72hrs attack time. Come on people, really?
Fix: cut down the avian attack time bonus to 15-20%
Why do the game admin hate dwarves?
Dwarf: + 75% food consumption makes them simply at the mercy of T/M. Add a few FBs along with some Vermin and Droughts and the dwarves and dead in the water.
Fix: This is really bad. The least they could have done was to change those elites to 7/3 and remove the use of stables. After all, dwarves are so short, it is just silly to think of them on horses.
Elf: -50% defensive losses
That makes them too overpowered as T/M along with the +1 def specs.
Fix: Just move the lower losses from Elves to Faeries. That would balance out those crazy expensive elites for an all-elite def, OR make the Faery elites 1/6 and price them around 650gc.
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Originally Posted by gn28
Youre gonna need 25% rax to keep hitting 4x a day with incoming, that gimps you so badly. Plus if you dont mind getting up TWICE in the night EVERY night then sure, pick it, see you on ur deathbed.
Think the Avian buff makes them viable again. They can now run cleric to cut losses and still have 8.32 hours attack time in war. With 3-4% rax they'll be fine. Nice change guys!
Brackets Illistrates changes that have occurred. I did not compare shop items or changes to attacks.
Race Changes
Avians
-30% Attack Time
+20% Birth Rate (+15%)
No Access to Stables
-10% gains on attacks(This is new)
Fanaticism, Greater Protection
Elite: 6/2, 500gc(550gc), 5NW
Dwarves
+30% Building Efficiency
Free Building Construction
Can use credits to raze buildings
Can't use Accelerated Construction
+ 75% food consumption(This is new)
(-5% attack gain removed)
Fools Gold, Quick Feet, Mystic Aura
Elite: 6/3(6/1), 700gc(500gc), 5.5NW(4.75NW)
Elf
+30% wpa
-50% defensive losses
+1 defensive specialist strength
(Revive dead troops removed)
Nightmares, Pitfalls, Mages Fury(Amnesia removed)
Elite: 5/4(5/3), 800gc(600gc), 5.75NW(5.25nw)
Faery
+30% Spell damage (instant spells)
+30% Sabotage damage
+1 mana per tick in war(this is new)
All racial spells
Elite: 4/5(3/5), 650gc(600gc), 5.5NW(5.25nw)
Halflings
+10% population
+50% TPA
-50% thief cost
+1 offensive specialist strength
-25% Birth Rate(-20% Birthrate)
Invisibility, Town Watch, Aggression, Animate Dead
Elite: 4/4, 450gc(400gc), 4NW
Human
+20% Science Effectiveness
+20% income(this is new)
-5% population
Tree of Gold, Fountain of Knowledge
Elite: 6/4, 1000gc 5.5NW
Orcs
+25% Attack Gains(+30%)
Free draft
+25% Enemy casualties when attacking(15%)
-20% science effectiveness
Reflect Magic
Elite: 7/1, 750gc, 5.75NW
Undead
-50% Offensive losses on attacks you make
Converts some Specialists into Elites on successful land attacks
Spreads and is Immune to The Plague
No Food Required
Basic Thievery (Intel operations only)
Town Watch
Elite: 7/2, 600gc(800gc), 6NW
Personality Changes
The Merchant
Gain 50% more Specialist and Building Credits
Access to Tree of Gold(This is new)
Starts with +1600 specialist credits(New)
(+ 30% income removed)
The Sage
Every 3 acres generates 1 book
-30% cost of science(-50%)
Protect 30% of science from the Learn attack.(New)
Access to Amnesia(New)
Starts with 40000 science books(New)
The Rogue
+1 Stealth recovery per tick
Access to all thievery operations, including 3 unique to rogues: Greater Arson, Assassinate Wizards and Propaganda
Access to Vermin
Starts with +400 thieves(New)
The Mystic
All Guilds are twice as effective
+1 mana per tick in War
Access to Meteor Showers, Chastity, Nightmares
Starts with +200 Wizards(New)
The Warrior
+1 General
+10% OME in war
Enhanced Conquest range
Access to Bloodlust
Starts with +800 soldiers and +800 specialist credits(New)
The Tactician
-15% Attack Time(-20%)
Accurate Espionage
Access to Clear Sight
Starts with +800 soldiers and +800 specialist credits(New)
The Cleric
-35% Your Military Casualties (on attack or defense)
Access to Pitfalls
Starts with +800 soldiers and +800 specialist credits(New)
The War Hero
-50% train time
Immune to Dragon effects
Immune to The Plague
Access to War Spoils
Starts with 400 elites(New)
Mechanic/Other Changes
Dragons:
Sapphire:
25% lower magic effectiveness(30%)
25% lower thievery effectiveness(30%)
10% lower income
the loss of 20% of new draftees
Emerald:
20% Higher military losses in combat(15%)
15% lower attack gains
10% lower income
the loss of 20% of new draftees
Troops will slay a dragon at their individual strength. A race with +1 offensive strength will slay at 5 points, an elite will slay at its highest elite value. You cannot oversend when slaying any more. (New)
Shop items:
Taunts: Price reduced by 50% to 5 credits. Added additional checks to avoid taunting your own kingdom.
Kingdom hostile meter: Price reduced by 50% to 10 credits a week.
Buildings
Homes: Increase population by 10(was 8), (assuming BR increase by %*4 remains)
Stables: Hold 80 horses per stable, draft 2 horses an hour.(Held 60, produced one per day)
Attacks:
Massacre: Raze element in war removed. Damage in war increased.
Raze: Damage in war to buildings significantly increased.
War Win chart formula: TBC
Faery elite numbers from last age
The changes are confirmed now so suggestions are too late. I disagree with them all though. Avians have always been fast, this can be a downside (you forgot -2 hours btw). Dwarves are pretty strong for age 61, them being susceptible to food issues is part of what makes them dwarves. Faeries do not have an expensive elite, not when they have TOG.Quote:
Originally Posted by gn28
thank you.