FS vs ED: FS brings in out of hostile help?

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Originally Posted by Korp

Hm, Parth promised more drama when Silverfox ban expired. WHere is it!?

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That will be next age when we pound ED and demand 12 waves + EOWCF.

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Originally Posted by Gorash

That will be next age when we pound ED and demand 12 waves + EOWCF.

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With "we" I assume you mean FS + alliance vs a lonely ED?

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Originally Posted by Korp

Hm, Parth promised more drama when Silverfox ban expired. WHere is it!?

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[22:20] <nudie> SAPP chat (Steven (SF)): I shall but I think it will be an unexpected one :p

Maybe he will play nice? Theres no way of controlling or knowing what he does or says next. As a leader of the kd, I can only do my best to adapt and go with the scottish flow.

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Originally Posted by zmasternr1

With "we" I assume you mean FS + alliance vs a lonely ED?

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We don't need to call in allies, we can manage alone. 12 sounds very reasonable right?

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Originally Posted by Gorash

We don't need to call in allies, we can manage alone. 12 sounds very reasonable right?

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Why not? Youve seemed very reasonable all along. Sharp as a tack.

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Originally Posted by Gorash

We don't need to call in allies, we can manage alone. 12 sounds very reasonable right?

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Says they don't need to call in allies as they can manage alone....
24hrs earlier called in allies because they couldn't manage it alone...

The very definition of Irony

Like a crease on a blem pair of trousers - irony

Well it seems I'm back from a lovely vacation and just like coming back to the UK after a week on some Caribbean island all I can say is what a massive disappointment.

Here I was thinking up the most outlandish superlatives possible to toss at FS, tales of peoples mothers and dwarves (little people) in gimp masks and the like, or considering linking logs which would make War & Peace seem like light bedtime reading.

But no, FS have stolen all my glory.

After reflection, how could anything I post top FS own actions? The self proclaimed amazing war KD, with the best ever war record, humiliating themselves in front of the whole server vs. a KD full of casual players.

All the claims of FS not asking for help vs. ED, every FS player whos posted has been shown to be ignorant or a liar, congratulations on not having the balls to admit it. Even people who hate ED have sided with them in this conflict, everyone knows how FS runs it's business now and it's not a tag you'll lose anytime soon.

Of course I understand the retort will be that FS don't care, I wouldn't expect anything less from a random kingdom who has no reason for their word to mean anything when trying to CF ghettos. For all the s**t talking and shouting I can do in EDs priv channel towards other people, I understand the very simple concept of reputation in utopia.

Reputation is the only thing which is of any use in top KDs, it's the reason you don't see top players like Zauper go on OOW raze campaigns with their KDs and are able to mediate between other players. Utopia is dead now, there's not a single KD which holds a light to past top KDs and even if there was then there is no competition like in the "old days" for them to show it, combined with most players having been around for so long that almost everyone has some kind of "crown/win/bragging rights" that winning really means nothing.

For FS, I'm sure some of them feel like Billy Big Balls, "haha ED got waved and we caused it how hard are we". Except here you are looking like trash, without your honour and the question of how quick will these KDs be to come white knight you in future when they have ABS KDs in range and are trying to crown.

In closing, I'm not sure if this is an insult towards FS or the state of Utopia as a whole, when the top KDs in "waring tier" are so bad that they need to reset provs mid age because they have no-one who can even make a KD setup which isn't god awful, then run away crying for help in 1v1 conflicts.

Just to toss people who think FS didn't ask for help a bone, wonder why the CF agreement includes BB giving ED 2.5k honour.

Told you, korp.

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Originally Posted by Gorash

We don't need to call in allies, we can manage alone. 12 sounds very reasonable right?

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Some claim a picture says a thousand words, I believe this covers a suitable reply.

As a side note, I almost posted this one to keep Palem happy. But then I thought you'd probably already seen that reaction too many times from females:

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Hey Foxy, enjoyed your little vacation? Congratulations on your birthday, did you turn 13 or 14, Parth told me but I forgot!

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Originally Posted by Parth

Why not? Youve seemed very reasonable all along. Sharp as a tack.

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We should negotiate next time, I'm a real nice guy (I can be bribed with beers btw)

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Originally Posted by silverfox

As a side note, I almost posted this one to keep Palem happy. But then I thought you'd probably already seen that reaction too many times from females

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Originally Posted by Gorash

Hey Foxy, enjoyed your little vacation? Congratulations on your birthday, did you turn 13 or 14, Parth told me but I forgot!

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Had a wonderful time thanks, let me realise how the outcome couldn't have really gotten any better.

Wouldn't trade this for crushing FS over the next 10 ages. :)

Sounds a little bit like grooming, hard enough with Parth and Duk trying to molest me, tone it down a bit.

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Palem, not sure if it sounds like that was aimed at you rather than Gorash. :P

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Originally Posted by silverfox

Had a wonderful time thanks, let me realise how the outcome couldn't have really gotten any better.

Wouldn't trade this for crushing FS over the next 10 ages. :)

Sounds a little bit like grooming, hard enough with Parth and Duk trying to molest me, tone it down a bit.

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Palem, not sure if it sounds like that was aimed at you rather than Gorash. :P

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Maybe you and me will be BFF's next age and FS and ED allies.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

No nickey, the things BB's alliance has done this age are worse than what Absalom has done in their entire history. Absalom has never deal broke and gb'd a kingdom in real war that had apologized and offered whatever compensation was needed to fully fix the situation. Never.

FS are cowards who call in allies every time they are at a disadvantage and then need to help their allies gb others to repay their favors. I can give examples of some 3week long beatdowns my kingdom has taken at the hands of a stronger positioned opponent while Absalom was dominant and never was there threat of allies being called in despite me offering cf the whole time. The hostile ended when the aggressor finally decided to cf when we were fully beat down.

This is Feyr Play, not Absalom.

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I don't think you are capable of a single post without misrepresentation or lies as most of us see it. the only regret was that you were not playing to be punished for all your **** play and lies.. nice kd btw seems fake rage players left in droves great bunch of players can't hack it unless thier **** play can keep them on top

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Originally Posted by Gorash

Maybe you and me will be BFF's next age and FS and ED allies.

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Maybe, think we'd need some terms though.

I get to wave FS for 10 forum posts then you get to apologise for FS actions. I suppose something like 750 words for every day of the conflict would be enough to inform the utopian community that you're on the path of redemption.

Maybe in a few years time you could also update your location to "Upholder of Ethical Values"

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Originally Posted by Korp

Funny enough I can recall few times when waving an Absalm kd has ended with my kd just "randomly" getting waved by another Absalom kingdom.

And the best example of all. Ama fighting sanctuary "no hostile" was claimed by dorje and magically Mercy waved Ama.. Another Goldie in that situation is the farming of gold between Mercy and sanctuary..

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You mean a couple ages after bishop wrote incorrect age changes resulting in fort/thievery not working as described which seemed to catch everyone but AMA by surprise?

You mean when AMA tried to claim that sanc had been farming gold the entire prep period, and demanded that they drop cf to prove that they had one up and so a few provs stole when the cf was dropped at AMAs request?

You mean when AMA tried to dodge mercy vulturing them by going after sanc after war instead of preparing for mercy?

I remeber that age quite well, it was one of at least three crowns elit cost himself/ama by being too greedy

For someone who just met abs this age you sure remember things that hurt abs from 4 years ago remarkably well

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Originally Posted by Darklove

So the age where i as HaLL leader came to absalom after i found out we had done absalom wrong and offered up any compensation u saw fit and apologise. And absalom turned it down becasue they wanted to bash, even tho i made absalom aware that this had happened due to false presented logz to me from people within HaLL. Thats not worse you feel ? Or not in same ballpark even ?

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You mean the age where you declared alliance war on Absalom along with several other alliances based on false information and all massively gangbanged us unprovoked and then once we got our own help and your allies started backing out and things started looking bad for you and you then apologized? You're right, we didn't just cf instantly as soon as we started to turn the tide after you MAP'd up and mass gb'd us based on your false info.

That is not at all the same as advising the #1 prov to force a cf by razing into eow if a kd refused to cf him and then offering all land and extra back for the cf and then the kingdom that advised him also offering their own land and whatever else was needed to ensure there was no harm to your position. So no, not in the same ballpark.

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Originally Posted by flogger

If only everyone had the integrity of absalom to stop hiding behind fake forum nicks and apologize for real once their council logs get leaked it would be a better place!

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I believe the "fake forum nick" you refer to was the player in the #1 province using his province name as his forum account since he didn't have any existing forum account and was hiding his identity in YR0? I don't think anyone in Emeriti used any fake forum nicks did they?

Flogger got caught advising and gold farming to his allies to help them hurt his competition by waving Rage into a real hostile/war with Floggers other allies. When I confronted Flogger, he directly lied and denied everything. Only once I showed the council logs proving everything did he finally admit and apologize for what he did but offered no compensation. This was when Absalom was strong yet I didn't make what he did public on the forum, I didn't make it public within Absalom, and I only told one or two other leaders in my kingdom. We didn't plan, threaten, or do anything non 1v1 over this.

Emeriti's crime was advising a friendly player who had the #1 province to get a cf with BB and if BB wouldn't cf him, he could threaten to raze into post war to force one. The #1 player razed and offered all land and interest back for a cf after he could not get a response to his cf request ingame. Emeriti offered BB whatever compensation they felt they needed to ensure they were in no way harmed. This is a lot lesser crime that flogger farming gold to his ally to fund them waving unprovoked into an active hostile/war with floggers other ally.

You see flogger, real responsible leaders deal with situations, both when wrong and when wronged, reasonably and fairly. You on the other hand lie and deny when wrong until 100% proven then might offer a private apology but nothing more. When you have even a minor wrong against you, instead of being a real responsible leader and working out a reasonable solution, you instead are overjoyed at your fortune to have an excuse to deal break and gb into war the kingdom ahead of you on the chart that you can't beat 1v1 even when they are offering you whatever compensation you need.

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Originally Posted by flogger

For someone who just met abs this age you sure remember things that hurt abs from 4 years ago remarkably well

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Well for someone who is active in forums, should know that others can be active too and can micro threads when bored at office. But nvm, this is expected from nubs like you!

So awar is over but the alliance is still alive and busy working together.

Summary so far:
1.ED waves FS hard, caught their pants down, refused to cf due to terms laid out not agreeable by FS.
2. There come FS good friend, Pyro who wave ED hard as well , theoretically hitting into hostile that stated 127 vs 150 on meter
3. ED wanted to CF Pyro. Pyro wanted a 3-way deal. They only CF ED if ED willing to CF FS . Oops... So if pyro wasn't called in by FS , why will their terms offered in such a manner. Up to viewers to judge.
4. ED had no choice. But decided not to throw in the towel so fast. They demanded the honor loss to pyro from BB and they will accept .
5. BB agreed as they wanted to landdrop. Not sure why though.

Conclusion: I believe another episode will be coming up for the BB and their awar friends. Stay tuned

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Originally Posted by silverfox

Well it seems I'm back from a lovely vacation and just like coming back to the UK after a week on some Caribbean island all I can say is what a massive disappointment.

Here I was thinking up the most outlandish superlatives possible to toss at FS, tales of peoples mothers and dwarves (little people) in gimp masks and the like, or considering linking logs which would make War & Peace seem like light bedtime reading.

But no, FS have stolen all my glory.

After reflection, how could anything I post top FS own actions? The self proclaimed amazing war KD, with the best ever war record, humiliating themselves in front of the whole server vs. a KD full of casual players.

All the claims of FS not asking for help vs. ED, every FS player whos posted has been shown to be ignorant or a liar, congratulations on not having the balls to admit it. Even people who hate ED have sided with them in this conflict, everyone knows how FS runs it's business now and it's not a tag you'll lose anytime soon.

Of course I understand the retort will be that FS don't care, I wouldn't expect anything less from a random kingdom who has no reason for their word to mean anything when trying to CF ghettos. For all the s**t talking and shouting I can do in EDs priv channel towards other people, I understand the very simple concept of reputation in utopia.

Reputation is the only thing which is of any use in top KDs, it's the reason you don't see top players like Zauper go on OOW raze campaigns with their KDs and are able to mediate between other players. Utopia is dead now, there's not a single KD which holds a light to past top KDs and even if there was then there is no competition like in the "old days" for them to show it, combined with most players having been around for so long that almost everyone has some kind of "crown/win/bragging rights" that winning really means nothing.

For FS, I'm sure some of them feel like Billy Big Balls, "haha ED got waved and we caused it how hard are we". Except here you are looking like trash, without your honour and the question of how quick will these KDs be to come white knight you in future when they have ABS KDs in range and are trying to crown.

In closing, I'm not sure if this is an insult towards FS or the state of Utopia as a whole, when the top KDs in "waring tier" are so bad that they need to reset provs mid age because they have no-one who can even make a KD setup which isn't god awful, then run away crying for help in 1v1 conflicts.

Just to toss people who think FS didn't ask for help a bone, wonder why the CF agreement includes BB giving ED 2.5k honour.

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This is the drama Parth promised when your ban was lifted? Such a waste of time!

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

I believe the "fake forum nick" you refer to was the player in the #1 province using his province name as his forum account since he didn't have any existing forum account and was hiding his identity in YR0? I don't think anyone in Emeriti used any fake forum nicks did they?

Flogger got caught advising and gold farming to his allies to help them hurt his competition by waving Rage into a real hostile/war with Floggers other allies. When I confronted Flogger, he directly lied and denied everything. Only once I showed the council logs proving everything did he finally admit and apologize for what he did but offered no compensation. This was when Absalom was strong yet I didn't make what he did public on the forum, I didn't make it public within Absalom, and I only told one or two other leaders in my kingdom. We didn't plan, threaten, or do anything non 1v1 over this.

Emeriti's crime was advising a friendly player who had the #1 province to get a cf with BB and if BB wouldn't cf him, he could threaten to raze into post war to force one. The #1 player razed and offered all land and interest back for a cf after he could not get a response to his cf request ingame. Emeriti offered BB whatever compensation they felt they needed to ensure they were in no way harmed. This is a lot lesser crime that flogger farming gold to his ally to fund them waving unprovoked into an active hostile/war with floggers other ally.

You see flogger, real responsible leaders deal with situations, both when wrong and when wronged, reasonably and fairly. You on the other hand lie and deny when wrong until 100% proven then might offer a private apology but nothing more. When you have even a minor wrong against you, instead of being a real responsible leader and working out a reasonable solution, you instead are overjoyed at your fortune to have an excuse to deal break and gb into war the kingdom ahead of you on the chart that you can't beat 1v1 even when they are offering you whatever compensation you need.

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are you really bringing up us giving GC to someone 5 years ago again in a war you won? good lord dude. Give it a rest, you've been saying this for a month. I had multis 15 years ago too, you should get me on that too!

This is why no neutral people support you, you come off like a crazy person.

ASF in fact he have multiple forum accounts.

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Originally Posted by Meep

You mean a couple ages after bishop wrote incorrect age changes resulting in fort/thievery not working as described which seemed to catch everyone but AMA by surprise?

You mean when AMA tried to claim that sanc had been farming gold the entire prep period, and demanded that they drop cf to prove that they had one up and so a few provs stole when the cf was dropped at AMAs request?

You mean when AMA tried to dodge mercy vulturing them by going after sanc after war instead of preparing for mercy?

I remeber that age quite well, it was one of at least three crowns elit cost himself/ama by being too greedy

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Having a active hostile where one side is claiming its not hostile so Mercy can vulture Ama you mean?

But overall you sound like an Absalom fanboy. You as outsider seem to sit on very much privileged information as well.

But if Absalom has such high moral why do these and multiple other situation happens over and over again?

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Originally Posted by protector

This is the drama Parth promised when your ban was lifted? Such a waste of time!

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I guess Parth was mistaken, I only do drama when I need to and it's fun.

Fairly pointless when everyone already agrees FS is a cowardly ghetto, preaching to the choir and all that jazz.

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Originally Posted by silverfox

Maybe, think we'd need some terms though.

I get to wave FS for 10 forum posts then you get to apologise for FS actions. I suppose something like 750 words for every day of the conflict would be enough to inform the utopian community that you're on the path of redemption.

Maybe in a few years time you could also update your location to "Upholder of Ethical Values"

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I think those demands are crazy, I was thinking about a fresh crate of beer every day.

This thread delivers. Funny how everyone seems to play a fair game - even Absalom.

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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

You mean the age where you declared alliance war on Absalom along with several other alliances based on false information and all massively gangbanged us unprovoked and then once we got our own help and your allies started backing out and things started looking bad for you and you then apologized? You're right, we didn't just cf instantly as soon as we started to turn the tide after you MAP'd up and mass gb'd us based on your false info.

That is not at all the same as advising the #1 prov to force a cf by razing into eow if a kd refused to cf him and then offering all land and extra back for the cf and then the kingdom that advised him also offering their own land and whatever else was needed to ensure there was no harm to your position. So no, not in the same ballpark.

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Amasing how your memory becomes selective

But is interesting to see your going back to old style play asf. Like when we first met u had my boats sunk for a month for doing a random hit on you.

Bunch of oldies took over this thread.. ;)

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Originally Posted by gorash

bunch of relentless armies took over this thread.. ;)

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fify

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Originally Posted by flogger

fify

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RA would have demanded 30 free waves.

From what I gather in this thread, can someone answer why nesta gets to keep those acres and why bb is compensating ed on behalf of pyro?

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Originally Posted by TheOne

From what I gather in this thread, can someone answer why nesta gets to keep those acres and why bb is compensating ed on behalf of pyro?

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People in ED asked the same. From our perspective, we do not have the ability nor much incentive in policing them. They are not our competition. I cant say I think the gesture they did was very nice, but yea...If some top KD's would get together to negate their profit from the double trouble, I will happily give my full cooperation as far as providing an accurate number or whatever. Otherwise we will just have to go with the old "SEE YOU NEXT AGE, ****HEAD!!!", thats always a good one.

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Originally Posted by flogger

are you really bringing up us giving GC to someone 5 years ago again in a war you won? good lord dude. Give it a rest, you've been saying this for a month. I had multis 15 years ago too, you should get me on that too!

This is why no neutral people support you, you come off like a crazy person.

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I'm a neutral person, I couldn't care less about you or ASF, yet here you are in a random thread trash talking someone about a long line of events which basically stems from ethics, just a few days after BBs council asked Pyro to double hostile ED.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from a neutral perspective you sound like an utter hypocrite, or at the very least are in bed with some.

#drama
#silverfoxsmackdown

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Originally Posted by TheOne

From what I gather in this thread, can someone answer why nesta gets to keep those acres and why bb is compensating ed on behalf of pyro?

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CAn someone answer why CJ cares so much?