Should put a gag-order on Kestrel in that case, each time that person posts makes more unwilling.
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Should put a gag-order on Kestrel in that case, each time that person posts makes more unwilling.
So far the answer is no.
You've offered nothing we want. And Abi manages to destroy any good will we happen to muster.
Maybe you should ask Skank to mediate except their kingdom sounds to be to leet to deal with noobs like both sides in this conflict.
[09:59] <Steel> So what are you offering
[10:00] <Steel> 'A line and CF
[10:00] <Steel> is not acceptable
[10:00] <Steel> so you best have something real good cooked up
[10:31] <~Krynn> hi
[10:31] <~Krynn> sorry was getting coffee
[10:31] <~Krynn> and smokes
[10:32] <~Krynn> you know 5K and a deletion is not a "resonable" offer
[10:32] <~Krynn> building on that will get no where
[10:32] <~Krynn> I aslo pointed out that we needed 2 new players in this
[10:32] <~Krynn> some one not cought up in all the Drama
[10:33] <~Krynn> we very well should have sent a PM
[10:33] <~Krynn> if for no other reason than to let you know what was going on with this
[10:34] <~Krynn> you guys should have tagged you were in a heavy hostile
[10:34] <~Krynn> that would have been the wise actions taken
[10:35] <~Krynn> they were not, both were wrong
[10:38] <~Krynn> steel
[10:39] <Steel> The offer is reasonable since the alternative is to waste your age.
[10:39] <Steel> And if it isn't resolved by EoA, you waste next age too...
[10:39] <Steel> But at least you admit your fault in not messaging us. Maybe you should replace Abi as monarch.
[10:39] <~Krynn> come on man, you have to get real with this or we are both wasting time.
[10:40] <~Krynn> we have football to watrch
[10:40] <Steel> We're not wasting time.
[10:41] <Steel> 'Give us excitement, Utopia Gods', we say every age
[10:41] <Steel> And this time they delivered.
[10:41] <Steel> So while you may be missing out on KD building or warring or getting famous, this is literally what we have accounts for.
[10:42] <~Krynn> look, steel, this is just head banging. that guy is a dick and you know it. you all should have put a cap on him from the start. you also know that is true. we definetly should have PM'd your monarch
[10:42] <~Krynn> that is a greivous error
[10:43] <~Krynn> we are willing to take a few retals and a better understanding of what went wrong. I believe you should be willing to do the same
[10:43] <Steel> Who cares if he is a dick? There'd been no attacks between your kingdom and his province for several days before he joined us. You had at least a silent agreement with him and his monarch and a CF was in place.
[10:43] <Steel> There was no reason for you to track a lone province to its new kingdom to raze it.
[10:44] <Steel> First of all, what the **** did you gain by razing a 400 acre province OOP?
[10:44] <Steel> You know he resets in the same kingdom?
[10:44] <~Krynn> hold on here please
[10:45] <~Krynn> there was no agreement with him. only the CF with the monarch.
[10:45] <~Krynn> please give me a sec
[10:46] <~Krynn> I want to check on a fact or two as to the "timing" . I am not sure we "tracked" him down. I believe it was more threats
[10:46] <~Krynn> but I need to verifiy
[10:48] <~Krynn> ahhh
[10:48] <~Krynn> thought so
[10:49] <~Krynn> we were in a war when he raised into our KD then took your invite
[10:49] <~Krynn> those were retal hits after war
[10:49] <Steel> http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...1#post15398971
[10:49] <Steel> That is his side of the story
[10:49] <Steel> I'm inclined to believe him
[10:49] <~Krynn> reading
[10:51] <~Krynn> not quite the truth. we were in a 24 hour fortified to recover from the "beating" we took before we did the retals
[10:52] <~Krynn> but yes we did have 24 hours or so before we could retal
[10:52] <~Krynn> all we wanted to do was get him out of our news
[10:53] <~Krynn> and again, I and my Kingdom (abi as well) do see that a PM was called for and we appologise for that
[10:53] <Steel> <Steel> First of all, what the **** did you gain by razing a 400 acre province OOP?
[10:53] <Steel> <Steel> You know he resets in the same kingdom?
[10:54] <Steel> How does tracking him down and razing him get him out of your news?
[10:54] <~Krynn> it is ALWAYS better to inform the monarch of an asshat additionm to their ranks
[10:54] <~Krynn> and a major fail on out part
[10:54] <Steel> I'm trying to understand what you hoped to accomplish with your actions, here.
[10:54] <~Krynn> we wanted him to back down and leave our T/M alone
[10:55] <~Krynn> we wanted to loose our wars alone
[10:55] <~Krynn> :)
[10:55] <Steel> So you thought the way to do that was to raze him?
[10:55] <Steel> Like I said, he resets in the same KD
[10:55] <~Krynn> keep him from growing big enough to cause damage
[10:55] <Steel> So you intended to raze him every 24 hours for the next 6 weeks?
[10:56] <~Krynn> we never intended to give him a respwn
[10:56] <Steel> Sounds to me like you never intended for this spat to come to a conclusion
[10:56] <Steel> Again, raze him for the next 6 weeks?
[10:56] <~Krynn> be that as it may, it is now become a **** storm for you and I to fix
[10:56] <Steel> Why do you believe that would make him leave you alone?
[10:56] <~Krynn> sorry about that too
[10:56] <Steel> There is no 'you and i'
[10:56] <~Krynn> I should have come in sooner
[10:57] <~Krynn> I was away at funerals this past week
[10:57] <Steel> There is your kingdom, and what it is willing to do to move on.
[10:57] <Steel> 5K acres to Octo or Abi deletes
[10:57] <~Krynn> and did not even realize we were stepping into the dark side
[10:57] <Steel> Abi is great friends with Octo IIRC so she shouldn't object
[10:58] <~Krynn> this is about what we (you and I) can come up with this resolve this
[10:58] <Steel> I've given you our terms.
[10:58] <Steel> There is absolutely nothing that will move us on this issue.
[10:59] <Steel> Unless, of course, you offer something better then 'a cf and some hits'
[10:59] <~Krynn> Abi and Friends are now done with the diplomacy side of this. I as the founder of DD am in here working with you to resolve this in a manor both can live with
[10:59] <Steel> Since we don't want or need acres from you.
[11:00] <~Krynn> but to do this we need to be willing to give and take
[11:00] <~Krynn> are you willing to do that
[11:01] <Steel> We're willing to CF if you agree to the terms I've set forth.
[11:01] <Steel> A CF at all is us giving you something
[11:01] <Steel> Since we aren't kidding when we say we can do this forever.
[11:01] <Steel> <Steel> We're not wasting time.
[11:01] <Steel> <Steel> 'Give us excitement, Utopia Gods', we say every age
[11:01] <Steel> <Steel> And this time they delivered.
[11:01] <~Krynn> and I can not give you those terms, first it will take EoA for you to even get 5K out of us. And Abi is not going to Delete, nor do we wish her to
[11:02] <Steel> You can give up the 5k in under 4 days.
[11:02] <Steel> Octo has the hits lined up already & can coordinate exploration where needed
[11:02] <~Krynn> sorry, that is not resonable
[11:02] <Steel> You have a lot of pool you'll never use
[11:02] <Steel> It is a resource
[11:02] <~Krynn> you can have a wave
[11:03] <Steel> Give up that resource, which you won't miss or use, and this ends
[11:03] <~Krynn> we are using it now
[11:03] <~Krynn> for other reasons
[11:03] <Steel> look
[11:03] <Steel> im done
[11:03] <Steel> our terms are set
[11:03] <Steel> have a nice age
[11:03] <~Krynn> you too
[11:03] <Steel> we'll be razing into whatever wars you have
[11:03] <Steel> this age
[11:03] <Steel> next
[11:03] <Steel> simple
[11:04] <~Krynn> I do not think you will last that long given that you are now putting the rest of your team at risk. how many of your guys are willing to play this game for 3 to 6 months
[11:04] <~Krynn> how many will stay to respawn
[11:04] <Steel> lol
11:05] <Steel> Like I said
[11:05] <Steel> I've been here 12 ages on and off, and this is the most fun we've had since we did the same thing to simians
[11:05] <Steel> Korp has been here a full 12 ages
[11:05] <Steel> Bishop a full 12
[11:05] <Steel> Most of our players just join to **** around when they dont want to play seriously
[11:05] <~Krynn> very well, you have shown no willingness to clear this up
[11:05] <Steel> nobody cares about being razed
[11:05] <~Krynn> I guess we are done here then
[11:06] <Steel> Nah
[11:06] <Steel> We will be done next age it seems
[11:06] <Steel> we'll put negotiations on hiatus though until you are willing to concede to our terms
[11:07] <~Krynn> 5K and a deletiion will not happen
[11:07] <~Krynn> you have failed to give a counter
[11:07] <~Krynn> so yes
[11:07] <~Krynn> I guess we are just wasting each others time
[11:09] <Steel> That was our counter
[11:10] <Steel> We dont want a wave
[11:10] <Steel> we dont want hits
[11:10] <Steel> we dont want acres
[11:10] <Steel> We already offered to CF for 5 free hits on you
[11:10] <Steel> you said no
[11:10] <Steel> We're not going backwards in our offers here.
[11:10] <~Krynn> I did not say anything
[11:11] <~Krynn> I am here now and in the present
[11:11] <Steel> No, your monarch did.
[11:11] <Steel> But since that offer was rejecting
[11:11] <~Krynn> to make a deal to move on
[11:11] <Steel> Im not going to accept it now
[11:11] <~Krynn> you will not budge
[11:11] <Steel> No. Hold please.
[11:11] <Steel> We're discussing a counter offer.
[12:02] <~Krynn> Kick off waited near an hour. no reply as of yet.
We have given time to a resolution. It has gone unanswered so far. I guess there is nothing to do but play the game and slowly watch this player base move to a more friendly alternative like M****A. better UI and you do not need 3 3rd party programs to play.
No surprise DD would rather pay to win then play with some semblance of skill or adeptness.
I didn't respond back because Abi posted in that time frame, BTW. We were actively discussing alternatives until then.
Our last offer stands. And we're happy to go on and on with this.
Krynn - You didnt provide any counter offer. A blank CF is not an option either.
Nanka,Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanka
Prior to my joining RoO, at the end of their war, I offered them Yr 11 cf and 72 hr notice. They sent a CF (but did not respond to me) and I advised my monarch to accept their CF (presuming they had to have their ghetto pride). After they came out of EoWCF and there was no action to me for 48 hrs, I accepted the invite from Korp and then only after I came out of protection days later, then they restart.
Yesterday in IRC they offer us Yr 11 CF and tell people all they want to do is move on.
They are so moronic it hurts to think that there are special olympians that are given a bad name by their existence.
ROFL! No, I demanded a Yr 5 CF with a 48 hr notice. Holy crap you are dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by sangken
Ummmm, I never once cried. You are so misinformed it is funny.Quote:
But anyways, words are just words and don't mean crap until you do something, which is what nachos AKA sheister did. What you do is everything. He RAZED into our wars, not just once, but twice. Damn the words exchanged. But he razed into 2 of our wars, which severely affected our wars.
But this guy is malicious, he defected (to hide himself, since his first KD was CF'ed) to continue razing into our war. He didn't attack while out of war, like the douche coward that he is. He did not hit during our hostile, like what we did. He waited, maliciously until one of our chained provinces was down because that's all he could do, this weakling.
So there ya go. Harsh words have been exchanged, but those are just words. The moment this douche razed into our wars, he set himself up for what came to him. Boohoo he cried and cried and told his friends and momma about it, and of course the "gang" and momma's always gon be there to defend lil johnny no matter what, that's just how it is. And here we all are.
Also forgot to mention that if you think I was hitting the chained provinces because that was all I could do, you know so little about game mechanics that you should just not talk in public fora about the game.
There was a counter. I had offered a land grab. and our negotiations we on going whatever had been posted in here should have been irrelevant. your unwilling to negotiate. Nothing I can do with that. You have shown your unwillingness to be reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Posts in public definitely influence negotiations. Particularly since we don't want land. If you want to CF for land speak to Octo about that 5k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
lol, get real Krynn. How would you react if a kingdom had razed you for the past 6 days and then when they got tired of it just wanted a clean slate? No, you probably throw another tantrum just looking how you reacted to Sheister when he sent his first message. "A land grab" is not a fair enough compensations either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
What kind of CF offer demands chart shaping? Such weird.
We can't hold acres and Abi is bffs with Octo. Since the alternative for them is to have that land razed in war this seems to be a win-win-win.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
We get a CF that costs them
They don't get razed into war
And friend helps friend.
And charts get shaped?
Not my field of interest these days
Well at least DD show integrity for the both of you then.
And the chart battle really is at least half about who you know and what deals you can broker.
Got a better offer?
How is 5k acres chart shaping?Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Way i look at it, pardon me if i speak out of line is that one side view things as a chain of events while the other two seperate deals? which was poorly executed then broken. Both want revenge for the same reasons and possibly looked forward to the same ends. The deals prolly dont matter, maybe, as one side wants the other to acknowledge that part of their behaviour is out of line while the other wished the other would adhere to ethical gameplay as intended and not start the whole issue by means of griefing. I am sure it isnt hard to find a resolution for a text based math game or just deal with the repercussions as they come should they really intend to end the conflict, DD is still bigger and numbered 2 to 1. So much so that the banter actually providing some goal or purpose can sound feasible.
Sadly that's true for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Don't have any offers, not doing diplomacy anywhere, and for good reason, I'm too honest when it comes to these things.
How is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Who is griefing? They maintained there was nothing I could do to them. I proved them wrong. Now they have learned not to dismiss someone because they are smaller. This is a personal growth experience for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanka
btw, who decides what "ethical gameplay" is? No one elected them God.
Maybe I should rephrase, I doubt octobrev needs others brokering his deals (from another kingdom), if I was him I'd dismiss this whole thing just so it doesn't hurt my reputation. Kudos for taking the dark arts into the limelight though, more than some can say :D
You find your behavior better than god or human morality?Quote:
Who is griefing? They maintained there was nothing I could do to them. I proved them wrong. Now they have learned not to dismiss someone because they are smaller. This is a personal growth experience for them.
btw, who decides what "ethical gameplay" is? No one elected them God.
They assumed you were, just like you assumed they did as they did for the reasons they did. You have the right to do as you may. And just as i assumed and judged for myself how things are to be, wrong as i may be.
We got way less connections and have only taken 3-4K land this age from deals. Any land is welcome for us and trust me, we pay more than our competition (fact!).Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
Taking outside help is that much worse though. At least in the eyes of the community I believe, with so much crying over alliances and such. Nobody is clean here though, it's dumb to argue who's more dirty.
Talking circles 'round yourself there Matija...Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
The more you know about this game, harder it is to be honest unless you play the way you do. I'd still use my time to do better things if I was in your position.
Who says it is or is not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Takao
Out it another way, who says my conduct is not harmonious with the teachings if "God" (for lack of a better word) or "human morality"?
I would argue it is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
No, as a Monarch I would have killed off the new invite. If he brought on the kind of flack you received as a result of prior action. I would not have backed him nor would I have put the rest of my team in the line of fire for a personal vendetta. Bottom line, he escalated this, he continued to attack into a war. Then ran to you for protection. and no, he never made a deal to CF with anyone. and did continue to raze into war. Yes, a PM should have been sent, yes, you should have tagged hostile. But that is where it stops. your invitee brought in bad blood and you failed to deal with it, or at the very least dealt with it poorly. your threats of continuing this are not an issue. we will adapt and play with it. You have said this is what you all play for, personally I think it is a crappy way to play the game. A community warring game should be about building a player base and bringing up new players, not running around just to F*ck sh*t up. that is just my opinion. It is what it is.
In all honesty, isn't this just a troll? I mean I took it as that. Octo hasn't told me anything about this in our chat.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija
But your kingdom have some issues since you cant even handle a message sent by Sheister where he makes demands. Your exellent strategy to this was to raze him instead for what? But you do realize we havent sent a single attack into DD the only people that has shown ingame aggressions are you guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
only because you have stated that you WILL BE hitting into our wars. What options have you left us? Having our Queen delete? giving 5K acres to a friend? come on, this is not even real. It is a poor offer for CF and you know it. It was a bad decision to cover for a province just in with bad blood following. It is further bad choices to continue a vendetta like this just to see if you can get away with it. Or to just mess with people trying to enjoy the game. This is beyond childish, forcing your 5 guys good time (f*cking sh*t up) on the value of 20 people playing the game and ruining their age and ages to come. This is a selfish and childish attitude, and I truly believe you know this to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Oh man where you are going wrong is even listening to them, ofc they are not going to be reasonable. They are griefers and that's why they play. I thought they were griefers because they'd achieved their goals in the game, but I'm starting to think it's because they don't have what it takes to actually make a mark in the game as it is now. So all they have left is saying 'I used to be somebody, look at me look at me look at me' and start a thread to get attention. The hungry ghosts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
Griefing requires no skills of any kind, it just needs the nature of dog ****.
If you stood in some dog **** would you expect it to be reasonable? No it just single mindedly wants to stick to your shoe. The dog **** looks for and finds a shoe to stick to because that's its nature. Simple as that.
If you step i dog**** on your shoe, you don't get wound up about it or debate with it, or think you could come to an agreement with it. It's dog****, that is it's nature. You just think how to get the dog**** off your shoe.
What I'm saying is if the only thing you have to hand to get the dog**** off your shoe is a ten pound note, you regret the loss of the note but you use it, cos you don't want to be tracking the dog **** into your house, which you care about.
Apologies to dog****, because that's higher in the scale of real life.
You know well that Bishop isn't going to intervene, because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that dog**** can't start an account, or multiple accounts.
But it absolutely sickens me that Bishop's part of this, it really does. He should be nurturing the game and new players, not helping to drive new people away, and by being part of this, that's what he's doing. Just because it's his bessie old mates doing it does not excuse him being part of it. Not being against the game rules is no excuse for him. There is nothing in employee handbooks about not ****ting on the desks, but you're still not allowed to do it.
I sure hope the devs don't pay him for working in Uto, if they do, he should be fired for gross misconduct.
Oh looks its the all so neutral Sweetiepie, never showed any aggression towards me or Bishop. :))
I was wondering if you have a relationship of any substance or worthy of note with any of the kingdoms being "griefed" here... if so maybe I missed it, in that case pardon me, if not would you be kind enough to say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
Anyway, I for one think, although your post's, is a degree, on the crude side, your post is worth pondering a bit.
Until this I used to respect you although I think you're a poisonous poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Until this I just thought that Bishop tends to be far too inclined to listen to 'the top' and to 'leet players' which I don't think is helpful for the game.
I barely post in the forums and I've never interacted in game with you.
I'm not involved in this situation, which is why I can see it clearly for exactly for what it is.
I have been looking at it that way to the point where I've read actual diplomacy logs, unless those are trolling too in which case you have feel a bit for DD as well, even though they are majorly at fault here too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
Whats your thoughts about kingdoms that bully other kingdoms because they are bigger, kingdoms that stand 0 chance of doing anything? I mean if your numerically superior and it is for this reason the other kingdom has little option but to accept what you do, is that not abuse of the game mechanics? So whats a small kingdom to do if they remove any option of retaliation that will cause the grossly numerically superior kingdom to think twice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetiepie
Please understand I might be playing devils advocate a little bit but I see you took the time to write what you did and call this how you think it ought to be called. I'm certainly not going to defend Korp N crew. I'm just investigating your stance.
No I have no relationships of any kind with any of these kingdoms, don't know any of their players even. I just know what's been posted on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by khronosschoty
then you are a toolQuote:
Originally Posted by Krynn
because you have goals.Quote:
If he brought on the kind of flack you received as a result of prior action. I would not have backed him nor would I have put the rest of my team in the line of fire for a personal vendetta.
Wrong again. I sent a message. Your monarch razed. I razed back. Your kingdom RK'd, I razed back. You escalated first. Accept your part and then maybe progress can be made. You are wrong, accept it.Quote:
Bottom line, he escalated this, he continued to attack into a war. Then ran to you for protection.
I made several offers and coordinated the CF with the prior kingdom.Quote:
and no, he never made a deal to CF with anyone.
You are goofy.Quote:
and did continue to raze into war. Yes, a PM should have been sent, yes, you should have tagged hostile. But that is where it stops. your invitee brought in bad blood and you failed to deal with it, or at the very least dealt with it poorly. your threats of continuing this are not an issue. we will adapt and play with it. You have said this is what you all play for, personally I think it is a crappy way to play the game. A community warring game should be about building a player base and bringing up new players, not running around just to F*ck sh*t up. that is just my opinion. It is what it is.