Mercy vs Pulse round 2.

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Originally Posted by Syntico

War is already over. It is just a matter of x amount of acres now.

The only real question left is what will Abs do till EOA? Will they accept that they failed to stop the powerhouse that is Sword, or will some **** go down? We already know what last minute "heroics" people like Dorje, Webmaster, Hesus etc have done in the past when they have lost.. ;)

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First tactical misplay goes to Pulse, we'll see what happens from here

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Originally Posted by John Snowstorm

I've never seen a kd complain more about their position when compared to a kingdom not in war build and significantly less pumped.



luls. what were we, a whole 3% bigger in nw? :0

still complaining about a minor bug in a hostile wave that had little to no effect on our operational capacity?

why can't you just say it was a good, hard fought war and leave it at that without making disingenuous excuses. Mercy is best kd we have fought this age by a wide margin, you don't need to do this sh*t.

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Both sides had advantages and disadvantages, **** happens. As I said at the time, it was a good war.

To be fair though, that hostile bug wasn't minor. That said, I'm not walking through that. It's war. **** happens. We move on.

did we not prove to you that hostile acres meant nothing?

The bugged wave was not tactically much of an advantage; we were overpopping peasants at 7% rate until army returns regardless, at which point we would have been underpopped either way. its not like the extra was putting us on desertion overpops or that we can't deal with desertion overpops easily.

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No one would ever turn down an advantage in size

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ya I'm sure EQ had a huge advantage over us when we topfed vultured them in whatever age that was. wow they sure did make life hard for us with all those large underpumped provinces. :S

there are 18 million examples of smaller more pumped kingdoms farming the opposite.

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Originally Posted by John Snowstorm

there are 18 million examples of smaller more pumped kingdoms farming the opposite.

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With evenly matched kds on even pump time and identical setups? Doesn't matter anyway, we lost the war because you guys put yourselves in the best position to win and did what you needed to do to win, and we didn't. There is no denying reality, and that's you with a war win over us regardless of circumstances. I knew from day 1 when Mercy and Pulse were getting our respective kingdoms together that the age would be won by one of us, I'm just glad its turned out as it should and I get to war a kingdom I actually like (even though you have Godly) for something that matters.

In what way is pump time a meaningful factor when it is already established that one kingdom has out-pumped the other, it doesn't matter how long it took to do it.

The virtually identical set ups serve only to eliminate more variables, I don't know why you continue down this line of reasoning, its not logically sound.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

With evenly matched kds on even pump time and identical setups? Doesn't matter anyway, we lost the war because you guys put yourselves in the best position to win and did what you needed to do to win, and we didn't. There is no denying reality, and that's you with a war win over us regardless of circumstances. I knew from day 1 when Mercy and Pulse were getting our respective kingdoms together that the age would be won by one of us, I'm just glad its turned out as it should and I get to war a kingdom I actually like (even though you have Godly) for something that matters.

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I know you're feeling confident and all but isn't "evenly matched" a bit of a stretch?

...just you wait until I get to a keyboard :P

Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie, or are you gonna bite?

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Originally Posted by DHaran

No one would ever turn down an advantage in size, particularly at the top of their kingdom;

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Not trying to sound too hard on you, but you must not have been paying attention or noticed our strategy in that hostile with you. Size isn't good in war unless you can make unbreakables, and dwarves don't make unbreakables. In our first fight with you we essentially donated you acres in hostile to reduce our size so we could win the war, by the time we declared we were topfeeding.

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Originally Posted by TheRock

First tactical misplay goes to Pulse, we'll see what happens from here

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I think the first tactical misplay goes to Mercy. Whats the point of doing a 135% BE Homeswap and then sitting for 24 hours and letting both our BE's end identically. We both have more than enough GC to wait out the fortified tick. Press advantages when you have them, don't sacrifice advantages to save a few hundred acres on a few hits into fortified, and I'd rather have 1,000 peasants than 10,000 peasants by the time the fight came around, so homes for pop space makes little sense.

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Originally Posted by Realest

This conflict is over before it starts. The only way Mercy can stop Pulse is to flood the server with DHaran's tears so nobody can login.

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more tears

so it's stare contest?

Dont think they will war this age.

this probably the best war i have been in

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Originally Posted by flogger

I think the first tactical misplay goes to Mercy. Whats the point of doing a 135% BE Homeswap and then sitting for 24 hours and letting both our BE's end identically. We both have more than enough GC to wait out the fortified tick. Press advantages when you have them, don't sacrifice advantages to save a few hundred acres on a few hits into fortified, and I'd rather have 1,000 peasants than 10,000 peasants by the time the fight came around, so homes for pop space makes little sense.

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You could have waved while TheRock had no power and was unavailable

That's no longer an option

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

Dont think they will war this age.

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mercy and sword have already warred this age :p

So , pulse beat mercy ?

its a stall tactic. Sanctuary is actually going to war the war.

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Originally Posted by LightNing

since when are you such a flogger & co fanboy Palem?

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I'm not*.
99% of the fun is watching DHaran try and play "Damage control" on Mercy's first loss. It's not a big deal. You warred them, couldn't quite pull it out, you lost. Some times good kds lose wars too. Instead some vines-like logic is put in place to draw out every excuse imaginable to "justify" the loss or whatever. It's very amusing.
1% is lulz at abs.

*if curdie were in the kd, I would be a 100% GT58 fanboy

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Oh so now you're saying that the best kingdom on the server is always the one who finishes ahead? I guess HoH was the best kingdom on the server last age, silly me for not realizing that! Also, I didn't say we were better quality than Pulse, I asked if it was your ridiculous opinion that a stronger kingdom has never lost a war.

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HoH was the best kd on the server last age. They won. That's the whole point of the game. They beat Rage and Sanctuary.

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Originally Posted by John Snowstorm

why can't you just say it was a good, hard fought war and leave it at that without making disingenuous excuses. Mercy is best kd we have fought this age by a wide margin, you don't need to do this sh*t.

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That would be admitting a loss. An absolute impossibility!

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Originally Posted by DHaran

And I've said a dozen time Pulse and Mercy are the best kingdoms on the server, and I've not once claimed we were better. I am simply rebutting claims that losing a war proves I'm in a weaker kingdom, and as I explain my opinion on why we lost a war, I don't consider this to be giving excuses, simply my point of view on the outcome. If Mercy wins this war, I still wouldn't say we're a better kingdom, because it's been about as dead even a crown race as I've seen personally, so I wouldn't claim ultimate eipc pwnage dominance if we come out on top, that would just be stupid. I said a dozen times the war was well fought and very even but we couldn't come out with the win, which I congratulated you guys for. The unwarranted hostility is a bit baffling to me, but it doesn't bother me in the least so if you wish to continue, by all means feel free.

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I'm not claiming GT58 is like in a different stratosphere of l337ness or something.
You lost a 1v1 war. You're behind in the charts despite very strong arguments that you have had a nearly identical age as GT58. Both measures of comparisons are totally valid.

If Mercy wins I'm happy to say that Mercy is the better kd, but the burden is most definitely on Mercy to prove they aren't the worse kd.

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Originally Posted by TheRock

Palem hates Absalom, mostly because dorje called him out on a lie

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False on all accounts.
I don't "hate" abs, though I do certainly enjoy watching their failures. Likewise, I have absolutely no problem with Rage, Mercy, and 96% of Sanctuary.
TFC never tried to crown.
Not why I don't like jdorje. You can keep guessing though. One of these days you guys might actually get it right :D

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Originally Posted by brickwolfman

mercy and sword have already warred this age :p

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Topic is about second war!
I think Mercy objective calculate his chances and for this they will avoid war again to keep face.

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Originally Posted by Palem

HoH was the best kd on the server last age.

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lol I don't even have to respond because you've just lost all credibility.

I'm sorry if you can't understand that alliances are a strategy and that there are downsides to them.
HoH benefited, Rage and Sanctuary lost out.


Or would you rather just completely ignore strategy and results and rather just claim whichever kd you like best as the winner?

DHaran has never been in a crowning kingdom. Forgive him for not knowing how it works.

...I....erm....:(
lol

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Originally Posted by Palem

I'm sorry if you can't understand that alliances are a strategy and that there are downsides to them.
HoH benefited, Rage and Sanctuary lost out.


Or would you rather just completely ignore strategy and results and rather just claim whichever kd you like best as the winner?

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And apparently you want to declare a kingdom who benefited from a 100k acre intentional farmout as the "best", lol. And I suppose you'll claim that TFC is the 6th best kingdom in Utopia right? You have about the worst thought process I've encountered recently, lol. And you want to say I have vines-logic, comical. I also like how you are dodging my questions. I asked if you believe a better kingdom has never lost a war in the history of Utopia, I await your response.

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Originally Posted by octobrev

DHaran has never been in a crowning kingdom. Forgive him for not knowing how it works.

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Don't need a crown to know who the best kingdoms are. Unless you want to also say HoH was the best kingdom on the server last age, I'd love to hear you say that.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

lol I don't even have to respond because you've just lost all credibility.

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"I say I dont have to respond but I do it anyway"

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Originally Posted by DHaran

And apparently you want to declare a kingdom who benefited from a 100k acre intentional farmout as the "best", lol. And I suppose you'll claim that TFC is the 6th best kingdom in Utopia right? You have about the worst thought process I've encountered recently, lol. And you want to say I have vines-logic, comical.

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It was that age, thats how it works, the one that is number 1 is the best kingdom out there that age. Perhaps you dont like it but personal opinion hardly matters in this case.

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Originally Posted by Korp

It was that age, thats how it works, the one that is number 1 is the best kingdom out there that age. Perhaps you dont like it but personal opinion hardly matters in this case.

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Even though I know you don't think that, and you're again just arguing for the sake of it, I'll quote it anyway for future reference.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

And apparently you want to declare a kingdom who benefited from a 100k acre intentional farmout as the "best", lol. And I suppose you'll claim that TFC is the 6th best kingdom in Utopia right? You have about the worst thought process I've encountered recently, lol. And you want to say I have vines-logic, comical. I also like how you are dodging my questions. I asked if you believe a better kingdom has never lost a war in the history of Utopia, I await your response.

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That's weird, I'm pretty sure putting yourself in the right place at the right time and farming out bad kds is the EXACT thing that good kds try to do. You farmed out a bad kd earlier this age. If you win your crown is it forfeited because of that? If Rage wasn't allied with HoH, they could have famed those acres back out of HoH, but their strategy of allying themselves with HoH backfired on them and they lost what was otherwise pretty secure crown.

And no, sometimes the better kd loses. But the better kd comes back. The "best" kd has never finished an age 0/2 and 5th place.

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Oh so now you're saying that the best kingdom on the server is always the one who finishes ahead? I guess HoH was the best kingdom on the server last age, silly me for not realizing that!

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yes the best kingdom on the server is the one who gets the crown, because one way or the other they outplayed the rest of their competition. HoH unlike absalom has dealt best with simians situation and they gained as was to be expected (since simians clearly stated they would farm to HoH if absalom did certain things to them).

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Originally Posted by Elitbg

Topic is about second war!
I think Mercy objective calculate his chances and for this they will avoid war again to keep face.

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We're just waiting for peasants to bottom out, then we can swap into our build and the fun can really begin ;)

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Originally Posted by DHaran

Even though I know you don't think that, and you're again just arguing for the sake of it, I'll quote it anyway for future reference.

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You tend to use that a lot "arguing for the sake of it" .. But thats how it works in the world everywhere the one that gets the number 1 spot is the best that season, year, olympics whatever.

Spain's Olympic team would have won gold if USA wouldn't have scored so many points, so they're clearly the best.

DHaran and TheRock are the John Stockton and Karl Malone of utopia (except without any of the talent). To still be a complete crown virgin after 54 rounds of utopia is embarrassing enough. To act as if you're actually a good player on top of it is just laughable. DHaran needs to realize this and shut his mouth until he actually wins at something in utopia. We're all waiting.

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Originally Posted by Godly

DHaran and TheRock are the John Stockton and Karl Malone of utopia (except without any of the talent). To still be a complete crown virgin after 54 rounds of utopia is embarrassing enough. To act as if you're actually a good player on top of it is just laughable. DHaran needs to realize this and shut his mouth until he actually wins at something in utopia. We're all waiting.

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It's cute how much you care about me :)

Theres no need for this. Unless this thread cleans up fast I'm locking it and handing out bans.

I think a simple ban of Godly should do the trick

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Originally Posted by Godly

(except without any of the talent).

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rofl.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Spain's Olympic team would have won gold if USA wouldn't have scored so many points, so they're clearly the best.

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Because the structure of a sports tournament is totally comparable to Utopia.... lol.

Right, the structure of that competition is what makes the argument ridiculous lol