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Sheister, last warning to stop spamming.
I think its better for all if you close this treat DHaran. If both sides want to make some kind deal and don't want to talk each other i can offer my help :)
didnt they just say they made a deal?
Yes i just talked DHaran in irc.Quote:
Originally Posted by gergnub
Its good when all end good !
Just because a CF is in place doesn't mean it ended well. I have no intention of forgetting about this, but unlike them I will stick to the word spoken on behalf of my kingdom. If Bishop makes a deal I will honor that, because I'm not a liar and I don't make teammates out to be liars. A time will come when Simians has to deal with me, and that won't go so well for them.
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Originally Posted by DHaran
Relax old champ there.
Dont go all hateful on us.
I am not sure exactly what is going to happen and exactly what you are going to do.
Every day above ground is a good day! :)
Cheers Dharan
i hope you arent a ghetto when you do come at us, cuz then thatll just be embarressinggggg
*stillQuote:
...i hope you arent * a ghetto when you do come at us...
Eight retired players and a handful of nubs took acres off you without much trouble and you had to double us to get it back, so imagine what I'll do to you with a real kingdom. Be careful what you ask for.
what are you smoking or drinking? We can outhit you 3/1 at any time we feel like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
If you are this confident in your 8 man army we can make a new deal. We are okey with it. :)
I think DHaran his crew would go + out of this conflict if it came to that
what are you guys smoking?
for real
korp has never made an intelligent post in these forums, dharan ill break this cf right now and mass text my players to get online and have a full wave with our remaining home armies right now if you dont learn to shut up
i only managed to get to the end of page 3
saD.
The lack of reading comprehension skills in this thread is dumbfounding.
CF is unbreakable
Bishop and me has a done deal.
No one else have to bother and this thread serves no purpose at all.
No need to make threats from any KD :)
well lock the thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
We don't lock threads for no reason. If you want a thread to die you stop posting in it.
But we has war of words cos we are all cool!
not even gonna read all 11 pages of this one.. All I needed to read was "We were in a 100+ hour hostile".. that alone suggests that it was not a genuine hostile. We all know that some kingdoms like to tag hostile.. start dragons.. get buttons.. and then sit raping smaller kingdoms for resources/science until they are in a position to enter the war.. however.. 4+ days of doing such sounds more like a "fake hostile" situation. And as Bishop comes down so hard on what he considers to be fake wars.. why does he not come down on such fake hostile type situations??
And as far as I did read, the province that was hit by simians seems to have requested it. And simians for the most part have respected the remainder of the kingdom by only hitting that province. One has to wonder if this would be such a big deal if simians were only 6 mill in NW rather than being up there with the big boys potentially threatening crowns..
Once again.. a situation that could be avoided if admin functionaries were independent paid employees rather than active players.
They're not very active :(
That explains why your post was incorrect on so many levels. Maybe read before you look stupid next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
100h hostile? whats wrong with it..? strict watch over hostile meter to not give the button...its possible..isnt same thing going on with PewPew and 1 of the abs KD now or close to it..?
start/end of hostile dont give you anything.. ending of war give you protection from other KDs (if they respect your war), and you get eowcf period with more bonuses in the end +books+land/honor bonus..so you can tag hostile all you want, people will hit in if they think its fake from your news/asking the KD you tagged hostile with :P or still hit even if knowings its real xD
whos gonna pay these employees..?
i especially enjoy scrubs pretend they are worth something beyond being barely adequate as my toilet paper.
wasn't there a song with lyrics like "your face is my toilet paper.... golden showers, golden showers"? hmmm
**edit**
YES! I WAS RIGHT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9BZQmx-DAc
-Dharan's kingdom is being hostiled by a kingdom way bigger than themQuote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
-Simians broke their CF and hit before octobrev asked for it, he then asked for it because he was ****ed over by the CF break hits already
-Once again...a situation that could be avoided
I don't need to read it all... end of discussion (that is how we deal with situations when we are unable to provide any reasoning isn't it Bishop??? ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
Once again... a situation that could be avoided if the bottom feed gains formula was fixed so that significantly larger kingdoms were no longer able to feed on smaller ones too.. but the last time we tried to raise that particular issue the response was "bottom feed protection works perfectly.. end of discussion.".. anybody care to guess which particular moderator gave that response? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Meep
Then topfeeding would be overpowered. That's just as dangerous.
Bottom feed protection works perfectly fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
I agree with Palem. Why should a small kd be able to grow huge provinces that can hit into large kds, but cannot be retaliated upon in equal terms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
we have been through all this before.. and the response was exactly as Palem stated. And no, topfeeding wouldn't have to be overpowered in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by octobrev
If the gains formula were set so that for example.. once a kingdom was 50% or 200% of your own size (which I believe are the current conditions for auto-war win), gains were zero on either side it would prevent both silly bottomfeeding and silly topfeeding.
The current formula which theoretically allows a 30 mill kingdom with a few relatively small provinces to attack 3 mill kingdoms with appropriately sized provs for 50-60% gains is ridiculous and does nothing to deter bottomfeeding.
And for all the talk that said 3 mill kingdom could retal for 100% gains without penalty may stand up in pure mathematics, but when faced with potential razekilling by the 1 mill+ provinces in said 30 mill kingdom, and any claims of fairness are pure rhetoric.
The problem is the cap on the gains penalty. if it continued to slide all the way to zero.. and a similar mechanism was introduced so that a high rknw also induced a penalty (albeit with an initial benefit so that "slightly" smaller kingdoms still had the ability to fight back), then all the problems of massive kingdoms feeding on relatively tiny ones could be avoided.. but then as we all know, that is how the kd's at the top of the charts stay there.. by feeding on kingdoms that have no realistic chance of fighting back without being razekilled
You can't change the bottomfeed mechanics because the majority of vocal players come from top kingdoms and would never agree to it. There, I said it.
Fear mongering. Classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
A 30 Million nw kd wouldn't waste their time razekilling some ghetto that did a fair retal on a crappy hit.
Bottomfeeding mechanics stand up not only in mathematics, but in logic as well.
lmao.. did you say that before or after I said it in IRC?? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by octobrev
Directly before.
a 30 mill nw kd could do whatever they wanted Palem. You cannot speak for every monarch in the top 20 rankings. Even a single wave of quad razes by the 30 mill kingdom ruins the smaller kingdom. But rather than look at a way to prevent it happening, you simply hide behind "oh they wouldn't do that anyway". which really isn't the way to look at things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Maybe it isn't the bottom feed formula that needs fixing.. maybe it's the raze formula that ignores nw that needs fixing. If razekilling was more difficult, then it would not be such a threat against retalling a bottomfeeder. As it stands, it IS a threat, and it is what certain top kds rely on to feed freely on smaller kingdoms.
You can sit there all you want and justify the formula, but the fact is.. it favours the bigger "kingdom" in the situation I described regardless of how it favours the "province" in the smaller kingdom.
I actually do think a 2 way protection may be okayish. giving up to 75% reduced gains. AKA if you topfeed on a KD 100% bigger you have -75%, if they bottomfeed to 50% their size KD they also have -75%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
It wouldn't prevent the bottomfeeding that occurs but it would probably limit it some.
I read another page and for the record Chuck is a nice man!