The American people voted for Hillary Clinton
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The American people voted for Hillary Clinton
a few major cities voted for her, That doesnt get you elected.
Every major city voted for her. Even the ones in red states. I'm not saying she won the election, but claiming that the American people did not vote for Hillary Clinton is a lie. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary Clinton
not enough it seems :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
hael donnald
More like not in the right places because US has a ****ty system that doesn't represent the will of the people(ie the one who gets the majority of the votes gets elected). But it's been a long time since the US was actually the democracy it claims to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by brickwolfman
You ****ing idiots. Have fun with that scaremonger for the next 8 years. He will no doubt get reelected after continuing to create fear and uncertainty worldwide a la Bush, then claim to be the only one able to fix it by building higher walls or whatever.
And the biggest reason behind voting for him is putting the other candidate in jail? Ideology is not only dead but deeply buried and replaced by “Ima git the baed guys! PewPew!” You stupid ****ing idiots.
Perhaps this will give some hope for the majority of USA citizens who didn't vote for Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...fter-trump-win
Orange is the new black
http://i.imgur.com/dzFExAr.jpg
Constitutional Republic utilizing representative democracy. A pure democracy would rely on the vote directly of each individual, which puts rural folks more at the whims of city dwellers considering the huge concentrations of pops growing in them. I do believe we should do away with the winner take all system though, and award electoral votes based on individual districts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
1+!Quote:
Originally Posted by merunuh
How does where you live dictating how much power you have make any sense? The voices of 2000 people should not hold the same weight as the voice of 2000000 people.Quote:
Originally Posted by natebane
Pure democracy doesn't doesn't put anyone at the whims of anyone. Everyone's vote is equally important.
We are a Republic not Democracy, kinda sux atmQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
The Reality TV Show... The real Billionaires of Washington D.C. aka Trump This!
Its a downgrade for Trump from Penthouse to Whitehouse.
Only time in US history a Billionaire family has moved into Public housing while moving a black family out.
We so ghetto we steals toilet paper from public restrooms
Ha, this thread has some real gems. At least comedy is still alive.
Let's be honest California shouldn't even be allowed to vote. Let alone carry the most electoral votes. ;)
Too liberal to even tolerate its existence.
It's amazing how little so many people know about the electoral college. Let's start with the basics. You have 2 chambers of Congress. The House of Representatives is selected by population. Each district has the same number of people. The Senate has 2 for each State regardless of size or population. In this way, the Government take into account popular and geographic concerns. To do away with the Senate would be insane. If you don't understand why, you can stop reading now and go read a book or do some research. The President is elected by both methods. It's very simple really. Each State gets as many electoral votes as the have Representatives and Senators. This is actually in the Constitution and will never change. The reason that will never change is that it takes 3/4 of the States to approve a change in the Constitution. Smaller States will never give up that right, so drop it.
One thing that can be done is that States can split their votes as they see fit. Most States do winner take all. That is the problem with the electoral college and it's not a federal problem. If you have a problem with how your State does the electoral votes, you need to get on your State about that.
Look at the election maps. In all but a couple States there are little pockets of blue surrounded by a sea of red. Those little pockets of blue can't survive without that sea of red supporting them. Popular vote would make that sea of red slaves to the little pockets of blue. This was a good ole fashion peasant uprising because the peasants have had enough. Every State and in the House, we've had enough of the elitists telling us everything is OK. Unemployment went from 10% to 5%. Problem is, there are no more people (per capita) working now, than when it was 10%. The reason for that is many people have been out of work for so long, they are no longer considered to be in the work force, so they are not counted as unemployed. Paints a rosy picture of the economy, but it's a lie. It didn't fool the people of PA, OH, MI and WI (rust belt). They know they don't have a job and they know why they don't have a job. The American Government and the People decided they didn't need jobs, so we sent all our money overseas and racked up a $40+ billion/yr trade deficit because who needs manufacturing? Well guess what. They still have the right to vote so they said FU, suck on this.
"That is the problem with the electoral college and it's not a federal problem. If you have a problem with how your State does the electoral votes, you need to get on your State about that. "
This is simply stupid. Take the reasonable assumption that an individual wants their vote to matter as much as possible. If your state choses to split the vote, your vote gets to control one point of the EC, and the rest will be set by the base. If your state pools and votes as a block, your vote is now impacting a minimum of 3 points in the EC. I know I'd like my vote to count 3 times as much as other people's votes... I'm sure you would too. It is dumb, and our system is founded on having the government answer to the people (to prevent very real abuses in other forms of government) - but if you want to give me enough votes to outvote everyone, I'm not turning the job down.
"...little pockets of blue" - no, those are huge pockets of blue, surrounded by mostly empty corn fields. Why does the corn get a vote it this?
"Those little pockets of blue can't survive without that sea of red supporting them."
This makes me angry. You realize it goes the other way, right? Those stupid red states are dragging us down cause they keep taking all the money we pay in taxes. Mississippi usually tops the ranking, taking $3 from the feds for every $1 they put in. That extra money is coming from people like me. Why am I expected to pay for these stupid states that can't get their gov out of it's own *** and actually educate and prepare their workers? Forget the Chinese, the *robots* have taken most of the manufacturing work, and they aren't giving it back no matter how many stupid walls you build. And why should they - they work a whole lot cheaper than these entitled "working man" smucks that are too dumb to do anything better than flip burgers and so arrogant they think I owe it to them.
I worked at my education, I put my time in at the start of my career to show I had the chops. I'm not looking for some handout, this is America here. I've got what it takes, and I'm not even normally that mad at helping out the red states some - it isn't their fault their state governments are so stupid and Republican. (Well, I suppose it is.)
But the sheer hypocrisy to claim that I need *your* support! I do not need anything from you, and would be quite glad to be rid of the freeloading Rs for good! You can't admit that I actually *AM* better than you because you have to be "great" at everything; I'm done pretending I don't know it. Hopefully Trump goes and "fixes" the federal government by getting it out of the way so I can get rich exploiting morons like you.
I'll keep voting in your best interest cause a few of you are actually ok people, but I'm not some saint gonna pass up a good life on account of people too dumb to know the difference anyway.
And people like Ethan are why the Neoliberal Democrats lost this election. You. Just. Can't. Stop.
So the farmers and the miners and the workers in the field are just peasants for you and have little say. YOU"RE the boss. Is that it?
I just want someone, without going on a 52,000 word essay, to explain to me how having a popular vote, one in which everyone's vote carries exactly the same weight, creates a system where anyone is treated unfairly?
Why does where you live dictate that your vote means more? How is a system that fairly rewards the wishes of the majority of voters a thing that's bad?
End of the day it doesn't matter Trump is president. :)
All 50 states are independant entities and like to gain a political advantage over each other, hence the system which is derived from a history of back and forth bargaining. But really the math behind the formula is as confusing as the one for financial deriavatives.
Say what you want about Clinton but as someone who does not live in USA, that a person like Trump can be elected leader of any country is just so absurd. I've met tons of brilliant Americans through utopia and other games, which I respect and admire. With that said, it's beyond me how uneducated and anti-intellectual the average American must be. This retard Trump has been saying nothing but racist and idiotic things for over a year and now he is soon the most powerful man in the western world. Sorkin said it well,hate has been given hope, and abject dumbness has been glamorised as the voice of the outsider who is going to "shake things up". His major election promise is building a wall to seperate the country from Mexico, and he expects the Mexicans to pay for it. Outside of that, he just spouts nonsense that only the most angry uneducated white males would adhere to.
The Republicans really have nothing to offer the world. First you bring us GW Bush jr, which ought to be the biggest political catastrophe in modern times, and now Trump. God knows in what ways you are about to **** up the world in. This is the elite leaders you choose. Americans have every reason to be a proud people, but in this, you really ought to be ashamed. This is an embarrassment
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-f...ires-no-logic/
Good read, for both pro-trumpers and anti-trumpers. FYI I'd vote Democrat if I lived in the States.
One thing I love about democrats is when they get mad they destroy there own cities and neighborhoods.
Clinton had so much money during the campaign, but she still lost. I wonder why? :D
̉ne thing I love about republicans when they win is that the first thing they do is go out bash black and gay people.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
One thing I love about people is they always keep it classy lol
Nothing like a sore winnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Trump isnt a uniquely american problem, the rise of neo nationalist extreme right and damnation of political correctress is gaining ground much adays, in europe and some asian countries.
I wonder if you Trump supporters also support the notes being left on black people's cars to go back to Africa, or care about the 10 year old girl who had to leave school cuz a male classmate grabbed her vagina, or the Muslim girl who got her hijab ripped off by a pack of white kids, or the Nazi symbols being spray painted all over the country.
That's your peer group. And as Palem pointed out, this isn't the will of the American people. It's the will of a bunch of redneck hillbilly racist white people who have an advantage in a broken system. Even setting aside the racism and misogyny, he will set back climate change reform by decades, which will just end up killing us all anyway.
Have fun with your President, because he's not mine.
I like to ponder the Trump Wall ...something akin to the Shield Wall from Dune or the Great Wall of China. At least that will create jobs.
Racism and sexism are foolish ... for immature, biased pride seekers. Hopefully the people in charge see and think clearly ... but there is a contest going on between countries, governments and religions.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Out of 120 million votes cast, about 400,000 more people voted for Clinton (as far as I've seen from the latest count). That's a fraction of a percent difference. It's not like a small faction of racists managed to pull a fastbone and get Trump elected through a minute amount of votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
The reality is that a very significant amount of people support Donald Trump. That's really what's wrong. Not that the Democrat lost to the Republican. People aren't mad that their team lost. People are upset that Americans looked at a man who was an unabashed misogynistic, xenophobic, racist fear monger and said "You know what....I want that guy to represent us to the world and be responsible for leading us." That was a deal breaker for them and now they're speaking out.
And I'll remind people that Republicans protested Obama's being elected. So if we could we stop pretending that the people protesting have reached a new level of butthurt (as I saw it described today), that'd be great.
I enjoy liberals tears honestly. Also find it funny they insult someone for supposedly being racist. Because he said we should control immigration but in the same paragraph use racist terms towards white people. So who is really the racist? Let's be honest if Republicans wanted to take back the country un democratically it wouldn't be hard. Republicans own most of the guns and ammunition in the country while most liberals are anti gun and anti violence. So yeah whenever us Republicans get fed up it won't be very difficult to take back our country. But hey let's all be friends and celebrate our new president.
Nothing like vague threats of mass killings to take the moral high ground lol
Who said anything about killing? I was making a point majority of republicans believe in democracy and want every citizen to have a fair shot. Key word is citizen and skin color doesn't play a part in that. The military is primarily Republican also who defend this country and willing to die to protect us. Just silly to say Republicans don't want democracy or are racist as a whole. You will always have one or two crazy people that the media will put on t.v. But when is the last time you saw a group of republicans looting, burning and shooting people for no reason? That's only Democrats fyi.
Just because it's unlikely to change doesn't mean that you shouldn't bring up the issue. And no, if you have an issue with the electoral college even existing that's a federal issue. If people raise enough hell about it those smaller states will be pressured into accepting to prevent riots. Just because something is hard is not a reason not to try to push for change. The electoral college made sense back when it was implemented and the general means of transportation was horse-drawn carriage. These days it's antiquated and directly harmful to the democracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilmington
It matters because he got few votes than the opposing candidate and therefore should have lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn
Lets be honest if Republitards wanted to take over through force of arms they'd have to fight the military, which are sworn to protect against enemies foreign or domestic, and rednecks with rifles are not significantly more useful against tanks, APC's and aircraft's than pitchforks are, so yeah it'd be quite difficult and a bloodbath.Quote:
Originally Posted by handofthrawn