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What does that have to do with you making ridiculously ironic statements in any way? Clearly you don't know what irony means. I suggest you go look it up before making yourself look even more incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheister
As for calling in help, we haven't called anyone in. Hardly as though we need assistance to deal with half a dozen provinces... get a grip.
Strippers have already shown that the two of you coordinated efforts. As well, I believe one of sheister's former kingdoms also helped you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kestrel038
And of course there is the, shall we call it, indirect assistance you facilitated for yourself by informing Samsung how to perma kill us and which of us to kill.
Not to worry, she won't be needing help taking care of 6 provs next age. Right?
Let's play hide and seek. You're it.
We and Strippers each had our own separate reason for razing you, and Strippers would have razed you with or without us razing you. Your kd got caught up in a major f*** up due to failed diplomacy, made enemies out of two kingdoms that were each at least double your size, and got what was on your way. That is very different from contacting a friend kingdom for help. Let's make that distinction clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Nope. If sheister's former kd was razing your kd, it was made independently for whatever reason.Quote:
As well, I believe one of sheister's former kingdoms also helped you.
Nope. It's more like Samsung was the one calling in for help to get his monarchy. We made 0 raze on you during Krynn's negotiation and waited out. Then Bishop pulled out and demanded 7500 acres and the rest was history.Quote:
And of course there is the, shall we call it, indirect assistance you facilitated for yourself by informing Samsung how to perma kill us and which of us to kill.
Papa Legba do.you feel it's a smart move to instruct a rogue province in a enemy kingdom while you are doing diplo with the said kingdom. The acres was down to 1,5k acres or an apology from abi. Then you guys just had to **** it up.
Coordination with strippers began before any attacks were made on you. During our exclusive & active hostile with strippers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
You hit us, were threatened/warned, and proceeded to gb us with them. That is help, one way or the other.
Sheister's kd I'm confident said they were doing it in order to secure a deal with you, but I can't confirm it from my phone.
And lol @ your excuses for the Samsung debacle. Any way you word it you violated terms of negotiations.
Anyways like nightmare said, I'm sure you won't have any complaints about next age since we are so few in number. Good luck hiding.
None of which suggests we need to call in help.. do try to stick to the topic at hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
And yet you have. By coordinating attacks with strippers when you had no justification for double hostiling us you received help in 'dealing' with us and our threats.
Just like Samsung was going to help you perma kill us.
You might not need the help but on at least 2 and maybe 3 occasions you've coordinated with 3rd parties.... Sort of indicative of wanting help.
Imo you should rebuild HaJ. You embody their play style and attitude & you'll need about 30 kds to help you out next age.
Diplomat Calvin: "We're holding you responsible for the attempted assassination of our leader!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Papa Legba
Diplomat Hobbs: "What did we do? The assassin was one of your citizens and was acting on his accord..."
Diplomat Calvin: "The assassin contacted you for help. You told him when and where our leader was and the best method for which to try and assassinate him. We have this all on record."
Diplomat Hobbs: " And...? Again, WE did not do anything."
Do you see how Hobbs is obviously wrong in that they actually did something in aiding the attempt to destabilize Calvin's government? OK, now try to apply this to your situation.
The point is that we didn't seek out help as Pillz and Sheister seem to suggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
help or not, we didn't call in for help. RoO was the common enemy for both, strippers gb'ed you and so did we.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
Do come back when you have the confirmation for this.Quote:
Sheister's kd I'm confident said they were doing it in order to secure a deal with you, but I can't confirm it from my phone.
I don't think you understand what I'm arguing for. Pillz and Sheister accused us for proactively seeking out outside help in razing RoO, which is false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
In your post, Hobbs never called in help from Calvin's citizen, it was actually the other way around.
I honestly don't give a **** about your argument with Steel. I am just baffled at the fact that you are unable to comprehend what went wrong in that diplomacy and chose to put all blame on Bishop. It amazing that you don't see how abi instructing a rogue province in our kingdom how to best kill us off is damaging for the diplo talks.
No it isn't.. Just because one is not looking for a horse.. and one does not need a horse.. one would still be foolish to look a gift horse in the mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
You seem to confuse "took advantage of" and "asked for". Just one of your many daily flaws of logic.
Asking for help would be naming our kingdom to indicate your armies were out and hoping and praying someone would come along and take advantage.. (Please see previous posts on irony ;) )
And will you get off the double hostile thing.. We came after Sheister.. we would have left after he was dealt with and that would have been it.. it only became a "double hostile" as you put it after you and your friends started making threats about an age and a half of razes. Stop making out that we're the aggressors here.
Yes.. and? I fail to see how this relates to our situation.. unless of course Diplomat Calvin had threatened to kill Hobbs, his family.. his friends.. and not rest until Hobbs himself was out of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
In which case, Hobbs may be wrong about having done "nothing".. but he is correct about having done "nothing wrong". Such a response is perfcetly reasonable when faced with threats of death and dismemberment.
Do you see how your example bears very little relevance to this situation?
About as damaging as opening the "talks" by increasing your demand from 5000 to 6000 acres (or whatever figure Bishop plucked out of the air).Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Funny thing that nobody has mentioned here is how as soon as I enlightened Samsung on the game mechanics.. he came straight to you saying "ABi made me do it".. I find that very unsuaual for someone truly intent on taking you down. I still maintain that Samsung was put up to messaging me in an attempt to derail any diplo. Borne out by the fact that he shared his messages to me with you, not the actions of a true rebel in any way, but most certainly the actions of a stooge.
You guys wanted your fight.. you didn't want anyone talking their way out of it.. you wanted blood.. and you got it.. only problem is it's not our blood being spilled.
rofl. It isn't? lol. Ok....