Those aren't problems, they're game mechanics.
Never seen a war won through them or someone reach the charts by exploiting them.
They just irritate you because you can't utilise them.
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Those aren't problems, they're game mechanics.
Never seen a war won through them or someone reach the charts by exploiting them.
They just irritate you because you can't utilise them.
ishandra, gb pro and knrg and top/bottom feeding are limited in war.
charts are reached by utilising them, talk to goodz, he was #1 prov by using and abusing it.
and no they irritate us because they dont promote kingdom unity and kd competition.
KNRG and topfeeding and GB protection help the big guys get bigger? I.E. getting to the top of the charts.
Thats the exact opposite of what you've been arguing this entire thread.
...and you show again that you don't know squat about KRNG...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishandra
Wolf, please enlighten us how a KD in the NW charts, utilises KNRG to grow even bigger, while still defending your position of "KNRG allows smaller KDs to bully larger ones".
I'm interested to see how you manage it.
Before you answer, remember this is a KD vs KD game. I'm talking about the KD Acre and NW Charts.
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Originally Posted by Ishandra
and here's the enlighten part: learn to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by BladeMaster
We were talking about KDs, I made a post refering to KDs, BM posted using a province example, I replied attempting to steer the discussion back to KDs which is whats relevant to most players (all non soloers).Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfDGrey
You comment about KNRG, without actually showing anything that suggests I dont understand it.
Yes KNRG lets provinces to gain more land by hitting larger KDs.
Yes topfeeding allows provinces to gain more land by hitting larger provinces.
No you cannot reach the top of the charts by utilising them, because there is no one above/significantly above you for you to get those improved gains from, which is why BMs post was incorrect.
If you want to put forward something that backs the suggestion to remove KNRG then do it. If I disagree I will tell you why.
I really can't be bothered arguing for the sake of arguing.
And another example that YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND KRNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishandra
Prov-A has xxx acres & yyy NW in KD-A
Prov-B has SAME xxx acres & yyy NW in KD-B.
KD-B is bigger than KD-A
Prov-A will have bigger gains on Prov-B than Prov-B on Prov-A.
That, just because he is in a smaller KD and KRNG. That's how #1 prov in a measly ghetto can hit provinces in 10 times bigger kingdoms and outgain them.
And if you still don't understand, I think it's time for you to crawl back.
Yes they can out gain while at the SAME acres.
By the next hit, Prov-B is now smaller and province NW differences have more effect then KNRG, which will put Prov-B gains better.
At the same time (or instead of), another Prov in KD-B could do a hit for the same on Prov-A, probably for even more acres as this Prov-C will be smaller than Prov-A, since Prov-A is now (or is aiming for) top of the charts.
I'm not arguing KNRG doesnt exist Wolf, I'm arguing there's nothing wrong with it. It serves a purpose and you cannot reach TOP of the charts by abusing it unless all these other top players are too moronic to use their KD (which are apparently a hinderence to their growth cos of KNRG!?).
This does not work like this. For example, a couple ages ago, my Kingdom (Dark Elves) was whoring for #1 NW. At some point in the age, while we were around 6K acres, one of my guys hit a large Dwarf in a ghetto for around 600 acres. They were about same NW, same size. The Dwarf retaled for 1000 because of KNRG. We hit the Dwarf another time, for 400 this time, because of GB protection. Of course the Dwarf hit again, someone else, for 1000 acres again. We retaled for 300, 200, 200 and 100, still because of GB protection. At that point Dwarf is Extremely hit, loses no land and no troops on attacks, while still grabbing 1000 acres whenever he hits us. This situation explains exactly why big provinces in ghettoes already have an edge over large kingdoms, without needing KNRG on top of this.Quote:
By the next hit, Prov-B is now smaller and province NW differences have more effect then KNRG, which will put Prov-B gains better.
At the same time (or instead of), another Prov in KD-B could do a hit for the same on Prov-A, probably for even more acres as this Prov-C will be smaller than Prov-A, since Prov-A is now (or is aiming for) top of the charts.
Big loners do not need KNRG to hold against large kingdoms. GB protection and offense is more than enough. Overall KNRG promote bottomfeeding, and that's pretty much all what KNRG does aside from the obvious abuse from loners.
BOLD: I assume you mean the DW and your guy were the same size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toadi
And you lost 33% of gains, from GB, after 1 hit?
And why did you continue to hit the Dwarf instead of hitting/razing his KD mates until his monarch made him stop?
And after all these 1k gains the dwarf was around 8k? 10k acres? And now bottomfeeding on your 5-6k provinces for 1k a pop?
I'm sorry but I think thats exagerrated.
Big provs in a small KD may gain more hit for hit, but they dont have an edge. They are outnumbered 25 to 1. If they keep hitting you, you get unfriendly/burn down GS/WT, NS them, whatever. You raze their KD mates, whatever you have to do.
You shouldnt be carrying 25 times your NW in dead weight, your KD should be supporting you when a random tries to 'abuse the system'.
Man... 5-6 people told you that you're wrong. If you still saying same thing you have a brain problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishandra
Step on that mountain of ego of yours and admit that you were wrong.
Then you can f-off.
it wouldnt suprise me if he was one of those players that didnt give a rats about his kd, which would mean he wouldnt care if you smacked/razed his kd mates... those single provs are VERY hard to deal with... also, they are often over 50% of kd nw, so control monarchy by themselves =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishandra
and i think you'll find that the dwarf made 2-3 hits into toadi's kd, and got retalled multiple times
im GUESSING it went something like this:
Toadi's KD hits 6k acre dwarf for 600 acre
Dwarf (now 5400 acres) hits for 1k acres
toadi's kd hits for 400, 300, 200, 200
dwarf (now 5300 acres) hits for 1k acres
toadi's kd hits for 200, 100, 100, 100, 100
dwarf (now 5700 acres) hits for 1k acres
Toadi's kd gives up and attempts to get a CF as they are loosing land
EVERY example given has been of 1 province gaining from KNRG, but not once has it been shown that KNRG has a negative impact as a whole, KD vs KD.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfDGrey
There's no evidence it promotes bottom feeding. There's no evidence it allows KDs to win wars. There's no evidence it allows KDs to reach the top of the charts.
Sacrificing the relevance of the province NW charts, if indeed people do manage to abuse it, is a small price for preventing KDs completely obliterating any smaller KD that isnt completely uniform in NW.
Coz you're too dumb to read the damn thread... yea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ishandra