Sometimes good people lie and evil people offer good advice. It's how we get life lessons from Fat Albert on both ends of the moral scale.
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Sometimes good people lie and evil people offer good advice. It's how we get life lessons from Fat Albert on both ends of the moral scale.
I've seen the screenshots and logs though. Thats why I said he didnt just justify it, he "suggested" it. (he used that very word!)Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
Im slacking behind a few pages and I respond as I catch up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
We didnt ask Pyro to wave ED no.
Eh, if thats what you wanna assume, be my guest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Go back to the post I quoted. /shakes headQuote:
Originally Posted by Felonious
Ooh, I missed this part. Are you saying Nesta faked the whatsapp convo and lied abt it???Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
I didnt misunderstand your post the 1st time around. I was just saying that, according to Nesta and the whatsapp convo, he didnt just justify it, he suggested it! Jeez...Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
I dont know. We're pretty heavy on clerics while elfs have no reduced losses anymore. We're just old dogs trying to learn new tricks, and tho I dont see the point of dragged hostiles in warring tier, we adjusted our setup to fit just that bill after our brush in with FS last age.Quote:
Originally Posted by protector
The way I see it, our setup is BETTER fit for long hostile compared to FS. Our setup is also better fit for war then FS setup is. I think I would sum it up with that their setup is crap. We've played the NM heavy part so many times, when I look at FS it seems like its their first dance with it.
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Originally Posted by flogger
This was an old tactic of the Covenant alliance. Eventually there was an alliance meeting with Covenant, Abs, and other alliances around at the time and there was a definition of "hostile" formed. Absalom was generally against a specific definition sine once it was defined then people would look to abuse the loopholes with it. In the end, we did agree on the definition which included that if a kingdom had offered ingame cf and had not hit for at least 12h then a third party kingdom could consider the hostile over for the aggressor kingdom. After it was defined, it was a regular tactic to abuse this definition. The one time dorje used it was after AMA had been noticed by havoc and then decided to b2b Sanc to try and dodge havoc despite Sanc being well below war range. Elit stated he would never cf sanc all age unless he got a long cf with Havoc and Havoc didn't want to give him more than an extra week or something.
Now please stop trying to derail the thread and instead answer why BB authorized Pyro to wave ED into active 1v1 hostile to help FS.
https://pearlsofprofundity.files.wor...-can-2-sig.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
What you going to do about it? Whine in forums? Stop wasting your breath and pick up the pieces of your pathetic alliance that got stomped so we can do it again next age. Remember it was the actions of your alliance that forced us to form ours.
That's the impression I'm getting.
Please don't ***** next age when the standard you guys have set is thrown in your face.
Exactly! Emeriti needs to stop *****ing because they set the standard for ages to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
I like the new "Because we can!" motto. It is a big step up from your previous posts of wild unbelievable lies and fabricated "log" files trying to justify your actions. I guess you needed to secure your position before having the guts to own up instead of make up random false accusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by bombdigie
FYI, Emeriti didn't have an alliance until after your alliance (BB and Pyro have been allied since at least the start of last age) deal broke and 2v1'd Emeriti into your war.
He razed into EOWCF exactly like the logs told him to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Remember when I said when the made-up rules of conduct would tear apart and create a crisis if they weren't nipped in the bud through relatively easy rule changes?
http://media.giphy.com/media/mBFJme8XwXrUY/giphy.gif
bombdigie,
You mean Pyro waved into hostile to 2v1 ED exactly like the logs told them to do it?
That is the point, if those relatively easy rule changes were to occur, then none of this drama would exist, and that's a bad thing. The only thing this game has left is drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by noobium
I think you are quite aware that I have no diplomatic influence on anything, this is abundantly clear, yes? I'm not sure about the semantics (and logs) and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but having been victim of a 5v2 gang bang, an attack on one is an attack on all in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32EN8epzGho
define "told someone" to do it. Because I'm fairly sure no one in our kingdom other than perhaps me or prot have the authority to tell anyone to do it and I'm fairly sure no one else in our kingdom thinks they have the authority to tell someone to do it and me and prot say we didn't tell anyone to do it.
I've already admitted to being too inactive to read anything or have any idea what was going on, which was probably wrong to FS since I should have paid more attention to their situation. We had a 3 week war, I needed a break.
and I'm still curious what people are complaining about, once I was texted about the situation I pretty simply asked "what do you need to make you happy" and we complied within a matter of hours and a ceasefire was reached. What is the issue here exactly?
Bombdigity is digging himself into quite the deep hole at the moment...
That gangbang was like 3 weeks ago booooo
So flogger what actually happened? Why is bb giving reparations?
Dear jwowzi I miss your face and your yelling at me.
Because I asked your diplomat what would make you happy and you said give us 2.5k honor we lost and eoa CF for all parties involved and I said yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by jwuzi
Flogger will you be my peg boy?
It's been posted here that Nesta said Bb approved them waving ED into hostile. It's convenient how no one in BB besides you and prot have authority to tell anyone to do anything yet you focused pretty hard on how a non-leader in Emeriti suggested that Bour raze after 3h if BB wouldn't respond to his cf attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Sounds like what I did with you. The difference seems to be that ED was reasonable and didn't demand that Pyro and FS both raze down to under 1000 acres per prov and drop out of all competition for 12+ weeks and say no other resolution would be considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Certainly waving into an active hostile to help your ally 2v1 a kingdom is worse than 380acres of razes with the offer of them all back plus interest for a cf on a kingdom that was not responding to cf requests. Yet ED was still reasonable while you were not.
If you're active enough to read/post in these forums, then surely you could've gotten to the bottom of this already. Its a simple matter of asking your own council. And, if they wouldnt fess up, of asking Nesta himself. So I dont buy that you dont know what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
And getting a ceasefire via double hostile doesnt exactly make ppl happy. :P
Its been posted in here Nesta said BB approved them waving into hostile, and now I'm saying that wasn't the case and Nesta told me he didn't say that so....? (I spoke to all parties within the last few hours)Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
In reading a new set of logs I've seen (full disclosure I likely didn't see them at the time because a member of my kingdom sent a picture on whatsapp of 5 naked men having sex simultaneously around that time so when scrolling back I recall stopping) someone say something I wouldn't have said that I don't really agree with, I'm the leader and when I got on I asked what was needed to fix it and it got fixed within the day?
No where in these logs is me saying anything nor prot saying anything (the 2 known leaders of our kingdom) unlike the suggestion coming from dorje and being egged on by leshrak, your 2 main leaders.
The ask of RK'ing bourreau was not unreasonable, given we could have done it in 12 hours, so all we were asking for was to spared 12 hours of stalling and ya said no.
I'm quite irritated with your use of "ya"
It doesn't make any of your sentences read nicely. You can say "y'all" or "you"
Why did someone say Nesta said he had BB's permission? Who lied this time!!
I'm aware who you're talking about so I have no ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by jwuzi
So you now admit that BB encouraged Pyro to help FS 2v1 ED? Glad you've stopped denying it now once you found out that the logs were out.
Your demands to resolve the situation with Bour were for Bour's full kingdom and Emeriti's full kingdom to both raze down to BB set small size caps and neither compete. If you just wanted to solve things fast with Bour without BB losing any time or having to draft, you could have just took his offer he made right from the start for giving you all land back plus interest. This wasn't what you wanted obviously and you've admitted that since.
I didn't find out logs were out, I just emailed the group chan to myself and read them. The logs that someone told me are out didn't seem to address any of this. One guy who isn't a main leader said something the main leader disagrees with and the situation got resolved within a day. Those same logs ask "what did ASF say the definition of hostile was" and someone else said "CF and no hits for 12 hours"Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Sorry I wasn't around to say your take was lame?
Now a BB council member who is the BB leader actively researching and talking to everyone about the issue is being discredited as irrelevant because they are not a "main leader" even though they were the main leader on this issue until you and protector needed to try and do the clean up. Funny how you've now repeated everything you deal broke and gb'd Emeriti for.
As I already posted in response to you claiming that a couple pages ago,
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Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
So no one has used the tactic for 6 years to resolve a conflict except twice. Once in which you doubled elit and he got farmed and you got what you wanted, and second right now where the kd that got hit got everything they wanted and look to be the favorites to crown.
That about sum it up?
So you're now defending double hostiles? Le wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
If finding out about said double hostile, asking what they would want to resolve it and agreeing to it within a day is your definition of defending you must just be a frustrated flamingo. Defending it would be not seeking a solution and imposing our will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felonious
In Elit's case, Havoc had noticed him and told him they'd be waving no matter what as soon as their notice was up and warned Elit to not try to run. After Elit waved Sanc instead (who was below declare range), Havoc didn't quite follow through on their warning. Instead they offered Elit to give him an extension of several extra days to prepare and to cf Sanc up the land on them from their wave. Elit refused to cf even with the free land from sanc and the extension from Havoc and said he would not cf Sanc the rest of the age unless he got at least a 2 week cf from Havoc. Havoc then made their decision that they were going to wave Elit and not let him run fromt heir notice by waving a kd below declare range. They let dorje know as a courtesy and dorje stopped his retals and offered ingame cf to Elit as a courtesy.
Your past example was a kingdom that had noticed Elit waving him anyway after Elit had tried to run by waving a kd below declare range and demanded a 2 week cf with the kd who had noticed him and they ended up waving anyway. This age, ED was in a 1v1 hostile with FS. Pyro waved in to help FS 2v1 ED, not because anyone was running from a notice.
Despite the differences in the situations, we have now come full circle as now it is you trying to bring up stuff from 3 years ago.
Flogger you are just trying to spin things saying leader, main leader, your mom's leader, my father's leader and what not! The thing is someone from your leadership suggested to double hostile ED.
It doesn't matter if he is the main leader or not. He would have had some influence that nesta agreed to it and did go ahead and double hostile ED.
For your sake lets take it that he is not main leader(as per what you say) and nesta took that decision on his own. Still he went ahead and double hostiled ED! What action is taken on them?
Again last age ED took a beating from FS(may whatever the reason be) for 2 weeks. that time you did not go and stop FS or did a diplomacy on their behalf that they stop hitting ED. Then why is it right now since your ally is getting beaten down, that you have to interfere 1) with a double hostile 2) after the double hostile BB covers it up for FS & Pyro!
Now compare your demands and compare Parth's demands!Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Your's was just a 380-500 acred hit whereas Pyro's was a full wave of maybe 3-4k acres!
And how do you serve justice?
Stop being two faced flogger!
Watching all the ****play that has oozed from the Feyr Play kds since they gangbanged us has been pretty frustratin. You got me pegged. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
FS got the ceasefire they wanted through a double hostile organized and executed by the Feyr Play Alliance. I suppose thats a solution of sorts. But to say its not "imposing your will" is just retarded, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Who cares about all this nonsense. I think this is just flirting between my flogger and that ASF lady
You ignored the main part of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
I shall call you out next time you make my forum reading experience inconvenient