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figures he'll go with anything that offers him income and a job
Shows how ill-informed and biased you are.Quote:
figures he'll go with anything that offers him income and a job
well this isnt news at all --
he was originally going to be at the democratic convention when obama was nominated
and of course he is backing obama - he has no other choice really - for many reasons...
List them please. We can all easily find why he CHOSE to support Obama. But obviously you have information the rest of us don't... please share.Quote:
and of course he is backing obama - he has no other choice really - for many reasons...
Start first of all by looking at the way that George W Bush treated Powell. When Powell declared that he was republican, it was because of his respect for Bush Sr. Unfortunately that was the OLD republicans - they were much more moderate and their actions frequently matched their rhetoric... Now, Powell is working with a far right conservative NEW republican party whose rhetoric has NOTHING to do with their actions. this disappointment in the outcome of his time with the new republicans is reason #1 Although McCain is not conservative enough for many republicans - Powell surely has an unpleasant taste in his mouth after his reign in the Bush administration. Perhaps he is trying to distance himself from any ties to Bush and the new republicans. What better way than to run to Obama? Reason 2
Currently it seems as if there is little doubt that Obama will be the next president. Here is the opportunity for Powell to find himself another cushy job with Obama - perhaps the same job as before? Reason 3
Additionally, it's hard for me not to see Powell's endorsement of Obama as a way to clear his conscience for the role he played in selling the Iraq war, which Obama opposed from the beginning. Reason 4
Powell is the same guy that gave us the speech about Iraq and WMDs. Powell needed to restore his good name which was tarnished by his part in Bush's rush into the war in Iraq, a war that Powell knew would be a messy affair. He is playing the role of the true American statesman, and he knows what he needs to do to be the American hero again. This time he's taking a public stand for what the majority of American sees is right. He has to do something to clear his name after being the only person besides Bush who could have stopped the Iraq war. Reason 5
Now add to that the Powell is the product of the civil rights movement himself - how can he not back up the first black president? Reason 6 True Powell suggested that race was NOT the primary factor motivating his support of Obama - but how can it not have some bearing on his choice? (However, this assertion remains to be seen in the court of public opinion) At the very least it is a reaction against the so-called racism from the republican campaign. Reason 7
BTW Conspicuous from Powell's endorsement was his failure to mention any of Obama’s demonstrated professional and executive accomplishments. (Possibly because there is little or nothing to mention other than Obama's shady connections and community organizer work) Instead, he chose to point out negative subjective things about the the republicans. That same ultra-conservative group that helped to bring him down. Was this a little revenge? or evening of the scales? Reason 8
oh yeah and another point...
If Barack Obama really believed what he says about Iraq, he wouldn't give Colin Powell the time of day, let alone allow Powell and his views to tarnish him. It just makes one wonder exactly what does Barack Obama really believe, and what is he saying simply because he thinks it will help him get to the White House? Seems to me I remember the democrats remarking after Powell’s UN address; “The man has no credibility left.” Now his “credibility" has returned… magically Guess that this proves the democrat’s scruples are of no higher principle than those of the outgoing administration. Can you believe the “change candiate” who is so critical of anything Bush is possibly going to work with a former Bush cabinet member? Dont you think it makes more sense for Obama to get as far away from anyone associated with Bush as possible?
I used to have so much respect for Powell. After he sold the war in Iraq and the extent of the exageration came to light I thought alot less of Powell. Even though he felt played by the Bush administration I do not believe this is warranted. Howe can he be a republican and now align himself with the most liberal ticket this country has seen?
It is apparent that the only reason Obama is using this sponsorship is to gain more swing votes. I do not see it would be possible for them to see eye to eye on the issues.
And yes, it is a guaranteed position in the white house.
on the contrary, it shows how dumb and naive you areQuote:
Shows how ill-informed and biased you are.
or maybe its because obama is actually better suited for the job
thats unlikely since even his running mate is dogging him!
thats just ur opinion, whereas powell, a republican, speaking out in public about his support for obama is a fact
That coming from you makes me laugh...Quote:
on the contrary, it shows how dumb and naive you are
More Republican BS. Quit using partial snippets from a speach. It really dumbs you down. Here's more on what he said since you can't seem to get your own info except from the McCain campaign.Quote:
thats unlikely since even his running mate is dogging him!
At a fund-raiser Sunday night in Seattle, Biden said, "Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," according to press accounts.
Kennedy authorized the failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba three months after his inauguration in 1961, then faced the Cuban missile crisis the following year.
“The world is looking," Biden continued. "We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he’s gonna have to make some really tough - I don’t know what the decision’s gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s gonna happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he’s gonna need help."
In similar remarks at another fund-raising event Sunday night, Biden quickly added that those who test Obama will quickly find out he has "a spine of steel."
There's even more there but I figure you need to read on and look the info up yourself instead of relying on the McCain campaign for your info.
All Presidents have been tested with one crisis or another early in their presidencies. A fact you don't seem to grasp.
You know this how? Your so close to Powell that he told you this? Your making it up to suit your needs.Quote:
Start first of all by looking at the way that George W Bush treated Powell. When Powell declared that he was republican, it was because of his respect for Bush Sr. Unfortunately that was the OLD republicans
Powell has already said why. Making stuff up to suit your needs.Quote:
Powell surely has an unpleasant taste in his mouth after his reign in the Bush administration. Perhaps he is trying to distance himself from any ties to Bush and the new republicans.
Do you think Powell really needs a job? LMAO. Again making stuff up to suit your need.Quote:
Currently it seems as if there is little doubt that Obama will be the next president. Here is the opportunity for Powell to find himself another cushy job with Obama - perhaps the same job as before?
He already told you why. More making up stuff... what is it with you all having to make stuff up? He already told you why.Quote:
Additionally, it's hard for me not to see Powell's endorsement of Obama as a way to clear his conscience for the role he played in selling the Iraq war, which Obama opposed from the beginning.
Yep and he already addressed that didn't he. More making stuff up... my god how sad.Quote:
Powell is the same guy that gave us the speech about Iraq and WMDs. Powell needed to restore his good name which was tarnished by his part in Bush's rush into the war in Iraq, a war that Powell knew would be a messy affair. He is playing the role of the true American statesman, and he knows what he needs to do to be the American hero again. This time he's taking a public stand for what the majority of American sees is right. He has to do something to clear his name after being the only person besides Bush who could have stopped the Iraq war.
And like Powell said. He would have endorsed the guy over a year ago. He gave you his reasons. But you just don't want to believe his reasoning because it doesn't suit your purpose.Quote:
Now add to that the Powell is the product of the civil rights movement himself - how can he not back up the first black president?
He gave a bunch of reasons. You just choose not to believe him because he is not endorsing your candidate.Quote:
BTW Conspicuous from Powell's endorsement was his failure to mention any of Obama’s demonstrated professional and executive accomplishments. (Possibly because there is little or nothing to mention other than Obama's shady connections and community organizer work) Instead, he chose to point out negative subjective things about the the republicans. That same ultra-conservative group that helped to bring him down. Was this a little revenge? or evening of the scales?
You did not give 1 single reason other than your own biased opinion. Have you even read what Powell said in all of this? Do you know Powell is not the only Republican that now supports Obama? Probably not as you wont get that info from Rush Limbaugh.
So why do you want to take the chance at he sure thing Biden promises will happen?
Look, I am fairly reserved to the fact that Obama is going to win, that still doesn't change my vote, but I welcome it. When you have all lost your jobs because he raised taxes on your employers, thus making them have to cut costs (LABOR COSTS), which means jobs lost, I will whistle all the way to your door with your civil warrant.
Then a month later my buddy in the brown uniform will come to see you and kick you out of your house.
So by all means, GO OBAMA! I can't wait for all the money I'm going to get when none of you have any.
theres a difference between pleasing a group and pleasing a nation. i have no doubt that obama will make the united states richer and stronger as a nation compare to mccain, of course certain groups might have to suffer temporarily as a consequence
im not trying to convince u to vote for obama or anything, theres nothing wrong with voting against someone whos policy will cause ur personal loss, but obama's policies will please more ppl in the country, thats why more ppl will vote for him. as for the ppl who might loose something, if u think on behalf of the nation as a whole u might change ur mind
unfortunately tho most ppl who vote do not have full knowledge to what policies can do in the long term, they usually either base their votes on what they think of the candidate as a person or any small immediate benefit one party can do for them (i dont mean anyone in particular, i mean in general). thats why in canada the conservatives were still able to win, unfortunately... ppl did not understand the liberal's policy and only listened to harper's propaganda, while the liberals did not have the money to fully advertise their plans. its a sad day for canada :(
Why is any of this a surprise? It seems pretty obvious that General Powell is doing what all great tacticians do, maneuvering himself to take advantage of a changing landscape. While I think he made the wrong choice on whom to endorse, I can't fault his logic. Both politically and personally he stands to gain greatly from an Obama Presidency. General Powell WILL get a job in the new administration and he WILL again be loved by the media like he was before he joined the current Bush administration, although the latter has already occurred. To me this endorsement is a non-issue, is it a surprise that a bird will eventually take flight? No.
As for Senator Biden's comment's those are far more interesting and presented an odd moment for any politician.. telling the actual truth of a situation. As Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright noted, it's simply a statement of fact that the new President will be tested by the world. Just for the fun of it lets take a look at previous tests. Swirvin' Bird's correctly identified the Bay of Pigs incident as JFK's test, and he failed it by giving up instead of fighting through to victory. A similar thing can be said about President Clinton's Presidency. See if you remember these events from his years in power..
* February 26, 1993, attack on the World Trade Center: 6 deaths and 1,042 injured
* June 25, 1996, Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia: 20 deaths and 372 injured
* August 7, 1998, attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania: 12 U.S. deaths out of a total of 223 deaths; 12 U.S. injured out of a total of over 4,000 injured
* October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole in Yemen: 17 deaths; 39 injured
* September 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington (occurred during Bush presidency but planned during Clinton administration): 2,975 deaths and 24 missing.
Although I generally regard President Clinton to be a good President in other respects, I can't help say that he was a failure from a military and national security standing. I think Osama Bin Laden would agree with that statement, by virtue of the fact that he was not stopped he continued his attacks which culminated in the Sept 11th. attacks. The fact is that people forget President Clinton not only did not kill Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance, but he also turned down an offer in 1996 by the Sudanese Governement to remand him into US custody. President Bush, for all his faults, both real and imagined, passed the test represented by 9/11 and as a result there have been no more attacks on American soil since.
I admit that I got off topic here, but I think it's worth it if it helps to understand that these events that we witness and read about do not exist in a vacuum and a proper understanding of history is needed to put it all into context. There is more to political discourse than talking points that you hear from either the left or the right.. I'm sure i'm going to get flamed for this one.. but I'm bored at work, so i'm willing to take it and respond to it.
Uhm.. so whats your point with those events?
What about london, madrid, islamabad and all the other terrorist events post-clinton?
like Clinton said himself, back then people *****ed at him for trying TOO much, and now they completely turned around and accuse him of not trying hard enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNoN403tXU4
Bill Clinton may have failed, but dont say he didnt try when your side were against the efforts he did make.
and since you said 9/11 was planned during Clinton, how do you know jack **** about whats currently being planned under Bush? If you want to give up your freedom be my guest, i dont have to live in America fortunately, but dont think that Bush has made you safer when its the other way around. Theres more hate than ever towards America, thats never a good start towards recuding terrorism. Increase security you say, well you can only do so much. Or do you want to live in a society where state knows everything about everyone, who they date, meet, greet, what food they like, what they think, what god they believe in, where they travel, how they travel, etc etc etc. If thats your view of freedom and security be my guest, but i still think youre nuts.
Id never sell my freedom for the illusion of safety, but hey, were all different.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I'm not one to blindly follow anyone based on a party name alone. If a person is right, whether there's a (D) or an (R) next to the name, then that person is RIGHT. I personally thought that President Clinton was a good President apart from his abject failure from a military standpoint. I supported him then, in his strikes and I still do today, though I can't speak for others. That doesn't clear the fact that he had an internationally wanted terrorist in his sights or in handcuffs and did nothing. That failing is inexcusable.
I don't need to take your word for it, President Bush HAS made me safer. As a person, I'd rather be hated for having done the right thing than for having done nothing; and that extends to my world view. In respect to that hatred, those countries that hate America have always hated America, and those that don't like us as much as previously are still more than happy to accept financial or military aid; and to provide leadership on things that they feel is important but do not deign to deal with. As for your description of the society you think I favor, i'd submit to you that you seem to be describing some of the more socialist states in Europe, or Russia. Should you ever decide to move to America, you'd see what it's like here for yourself.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
- President Ronald Regan
i have no clue how you can construe biden's comments to be positive in any light - he admits that people will test obama - they sure as hell wont test mccain cuz they know he will come back on them and hard. And if they do i would rather have McCain at the helm that the charisma guy who is a good talker....
ohhh and you looked at the polls lately?
Yea. Obama leads all polls and by a average of +7.6.
lol. Did you even read the articles you posted?
1st one says this:
But both Ayers and pollster J. Ann Selzer say that the AP poll may be reflective more of how GfK Roper defined the likely voters in their survey than of any significant change on the ground nationally. Compared with a smorgasbord of recent polls, "the AP poll is kind of sitting there alone," says Selzer.
That suggests that Roper used what pollsters refer to as a "restrictive" definition of likely voters. In analyzing polling data, pollsters rely on many models, including those that assess the likelihood that the person polled would show up to vote this year. A "restrictive" analysis, Selzer says, would give much more "likely voter" weight to a person who had voted in past elections, and particularly in recent ones.
2nd one also states this:
More than 1,100 people were polled. (Huge polling pool there)
While the presidential race appears to have tightened after the final debate, the latest polling would not have taken full account of Sunday's endorsement for Mr Obama from former US secretary of state Colin Powell, pollsters noted yesterday.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
Even Fox News Polls have him up by +9
Mmmmm.. smörgåsbord :)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4217516.shtmlQuote:
i have no clue how you can construe biden's comments to be positive in any light - he admits that people will test obama - they sure as hell wont test mccain cuz they know he will come back on them and hard.
Joe Liberman, John McCains buddy said the EXACT SAME THING back in July. Why were you not all over Liberman???!!
Dang, once again, stop listening to people like Limbaugh all the time.
How fortunate for leaders, that the masses do not think." - Hitler
Come on if you think they are any different Obama and Mccain
you need to Get Real.
duopolies goverments are designed so the Ultra rich oligarthy has less to do in controlling both parties.
Your gettin same spagetti different label
They both smell the same, they both look the same, they both feel the same and its what my dog leaves out on your front lawn
They play the game draw you to two sides of the fence, yet they know where the fence is going and the middle line (the fence) is where either side of the controlled puppets will take you, just with a few different policies effecting the budget,
We know Clinton deregulated financial institutions Bush followed along and played his part and who ever gets in will play their part yet the fence will still end up whee it's meant to go, with stupid sheep on each side thinking there is a difference.
www.infowars.com
go bama go bama