What % of the income of province sale will OMAC implement next age?
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What % of the income of province sale will OMAC implement next age?
10% straight, up to 50% as royalties.
bad joke..
and im pretty sure its against the rules in the agreements or something to do such, and any player selling their account for $ is a ahole. Also what prevented someone from doing this last age or ages before?
I agree with you Utopia4life -- however, people WILL be selling their provinces on a much wider scale now it's legal and deletion is impossible.
Oh, just the threat of being deleted.
Now there is no such thing.
Perhaps I'll sell my entire kingdom when we're on top.
Who would buy a province with that logic? whats the point if you didnt work to get it there? Also a newly traded intire kd would... be any newly kd and just get a arse kicking.
the players are the commodity and what make the KD (not the slots in the kds)
Im seriously doubting there would be any sales of provinces or atleast very very few.
(ps you can only do this with 3 provinces pr age, and you have to have the monarch do it (accept the trades))
I can't believe I didn't think of this myself, it's so obvious.
OMAC clearly didn't think of this either, but then again, given their current activities, I don't think they've thought about alot of things.
Sigh. I hate the direction this game is taking :(. I'm clearly being obtuse and taking the piss with my posts about this subject, but it WILL happen somewhere on the servers. Someone who doesn't want to leave the KD but the monarch wants to replace could demand a ransom for a trade.
This sort of crap will happen, and the game is all the worse for it :(
I counter with 'who would buy a level 60 in Everquest?' and answer both with 'idiots with money.'
Imagine the scene.
I battle on for, say, 8 more ages, then, when we're as close to the top as possible, I notify people that we're getting paid for our time and effort.
I put up an ad, a gang of prospective people decide they want to take me up on my offer, and we all trade our accouns to them.
Two days later, me and my team create new accounts, and we trade together in less than an age...
Repeat in a few more ages.
I'll end up being as rich as those Everquesters.
Oh, catty, what have you done?
Really.
What have you done, you idiotic fool?
dream on, the game would be long dead before that would ever happen imo
and i still believe this game has atleast a few years left
Hey, if I said I had a kingdom ranked in on the low top-100, with a good rep standing, and a somewhat known name - just slightly unknown enough for no one to notice things - for sale, no strings attached, how much would you and 24 other players be willing to pay to escape the hassle of earning your own wings?
Why would I pay to be in your crappy kingdom when I can play with 24 other friends in a kd that is much better than yours and has a much better reputation for free...? I think you're going overboard here. People aren't stupid enough to pay for your crappy record and reputation. They'll trade each other together and make their own kingdom that probably ends up being better.
No, no.
You're not getting into 'my' kingdom, because me and all the other 24 people will leave it for your convenience once the deal has been sealed.
You pay money for a name and a rep that guarantee you will not get farmed, bothered by 50% of the server, and start out with some good things in the eyes of many other kingdoms around your own level. You're also guaranteed to be just below the level where people would notice that the kingdom you took over suddenly changed direction.
Normally, this would take awhile for people to accomplish on their own, but I'd have already done the work for you - all you'd need to do was pay.
Dillbert S T F U
One thread is fine, I can flame you there, but posting a thread in every damn section saying the same retarded thing is ridiculous!
S T F U
Just quit playing if you are so friggin unhappy. S T F U
Ignoring this won't make it go away, sadly.
Yes I understand that, when I said "pay to be in your kingdom" I meant to be in the shell of your kingdom. I'm saying that it's stupid to be paying for your crappy reputation and kingdom. I instead could play with 24 friends that already have a named kingdom, that is much better, has been around longer, and has a much better reputation. I can do that, or I can go and make my own kingdom both options are free, and better solutions. And making a name for yourself is not a difficult thing to do, all it requires is action and diplomacy, it takes approximately an age...?
I think most people would be more entertained by the prospect of creating their own kingdom identity than paying for somebody else's. Especially paying for a reputation that means nothing.
If you really think that anyone in their right mind would consider your kingdom's reputation something to be worth money because it's feared then you've really gone off the deep end.
DHaran! I've been waiting for you. I'm pushing an un-thought of hole in the trading theorum.
And people will be quitting because of this. I won't, I'm simply too stubborn. The "new" players rejoining by the trading will be vastly outnumbered by those who leave due to disillusion with the changes.
If you were to attempt to buy, say, Copycats, you'd quickly discover, to your horror, that the world would cry foul at you, because they're so famous.
Too famous.
It's like selling hot wares. It can be done, but it's very likely to backfire.
Better to sell it when it's less hot, or sell something that's not hot at all.
I'll simply provide you with the highest possible level of kingdom that can be made without arousing too much suspicion.
No, not quite an age.
Try 'a few ages.'
You can provide people with whatever you want. Your product is crappy and nobody wants it. And for that matter, nobody wants Copycats either, if you're going to pick a kingdom that somebody might want at least pick a good one even if you're trying to poke fun at Catwalk.
And no, it takes far less than a few ages to get a reputation worthy of being in the top. I've done it before. And if takes far less than an age to get a reputation worthy of being better than your kingdom. So no, nobody is going to pay for your crappy kingdom, sorry to burst your bubble.
I seriously have to agree with Dillbert and VT2. This has got to be the WORST idea implemented.
Heres a thought.....Kingdom XX:XX gets a newb filling in their 25th spot......KD has a credit for trading in.....KD decides they have someone wanting in, and instead of newb getting a chance to learn with knowlegable players, he is killed, and replaced with a friend.
this is a very real problem....and it is going to exist
Dilbert and VT2 may be making fun of this fact....but it is a reality
OMAC is supposed to be reviving this game, but all they are doing is ruining it
You can't sell fully established and 'good' kingdoms - people will notice instantly.
The kingdom will only be crappy if you're crappy. Sucks, doesn't it?
Oh, and prove it.
This age is a very good one to start, you know - if all else fails, you might be able to sell it later.
Avarial. No I don't think that that is the problem they're discussing. I don't disagree that this system has many faults and that really it's not going to do much of anything. I don't disagree that some of the things that OMAC is doing is not necessarily adding anything to the game or the playerbase.
But thinking that people are going to pay money for a crappy kingdom is just stupid. This is not the flaw in the system and trying to make it to be the flaw is just ludicrous. There are so many other reasons why this system is flawed that pulling stupid crap out of nowhere makes no sense and does nothing to help your argument.
That's exactly what people said when this whole thing was created in Everquest, all those long, long years ago.
I guess we can now firmly conclude that people with money will buy the things they want - no matter how silly the things in question may seem.
Oh, and remember: you're handed a somewhat known, reputable shell. 25 slots. What you do with it after I've been paid, I don't care. Make it as crappy or as good as you'd like.
Prove what? I have already made kingdoms far better than yours. I have helped build kingdoms from scratch. I have merged kingdoms together and created new ones. I have helped to create new identities out of nowhere and it takes far less time than you think it does. It requires skill, diplomacy and action, that is all.
I never said you could sell fully established good kingdoms in fact I think that what I was implying is that you aren't going to get money for any of these kingdoms! I don't think you can sell kingdoms at all. I think you're trying to create a problem from nothing.
If anything, top kingdoms will sell spots in their kingdoms to people that want in, though even that is unlikely. If you're a top kingdom and you want to stay that way you're going to pick the cream of the crop when it comes to players rather than the people who are going to pay you.
What I'm trying to tell you is that people aren't going to pay for your crappy kingdom.
Why?
Because the people that are going to put the effort into creating new kingdoms are going to do it based off the shells of pre-existing kingdoms. They're going to be organized enough that they don't need to borrow your identity because it accomplishes nothing. The faster that they can build their own identity the better.
I think most people would disagree that you shell is known or reputable. The only reason you're "known" is that you come onto the boards bragging about an accomplishment that isn't that difficult and nobody cares about in an attempt to inflate your own ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2
I'll have to consider make you a cash offer to join my Kingdom Gakundra.
top kds have had trade problems for ages... legalising it and putting it under controll is better than acceptiong the topkds do it and others dont or are to affraid too (you can look the other way doesnt mean its still not there)
what OMAC is doing is looking at the issue at hand, makeing changes to it, and keeping a eye on things.
im pretty sure OMAC will keep a better eye on this tradeing biz than mehul did (it was like he turned a blind eye to it).
again this is the better way to do things.
Why would I start with a shell when I can use my initial trades to get my best players in, rise up the ranks, and then trade more of them in?
Once I have all the trades I need, and the kingdom is where it needs to be, it will be put up for sale, and someone will buy it, for one reason or another.
The top isn't a part of this - they can't benefit or make use of it, as they're too known and famous.
Too bad that catty screwed you all out of making a profit.
I remember hawking Everquest characters, and being told the exact same things by the naive people in that game.
Besides, if people can skip putting effort into something, they will. Money is much easier to part with than time.
How much would you pay for a top-50 kingdom, and what would you like its rep and standings around the world to be?
To be honest. I wouldn't pay for a top 50 kingdom. The reputation means nothing. The fact that there are 25 accounts ready to go for anyone who wants them is the only thing that would be beneficial. The reputation won't stick and it takes no time for anyone to realize who is really running the kingdom in the top because of interaction and diplomacy between people.
Somebody buying a set of 25 full accounts. I can accept that as a reality. How much would I pay for it? I dunno...$5 maybe? Nobody is ever going to buy a reputation, no matter who the kingdom is. The only thing that matters is the accounts and from there people are going to be creating their own identity.
And as to your comparison to EQ characters. I don't know much about EQ but I can imagine that the time and skill it takes for an individual to get to level 60 in EQ is far greater than it would take for a group of 25 people to trade a kingdom together.
People who are going to try and create kds from scratch aren't going to bother trading legally. They'll use that to their advantage the best that they can but they're going to get their kingdom together in whatever means necessary that are undetected by OMAC. So yes, $5 I would pay for 25 accounts, maybe.
Good to see that you finally understand.
That's why you can't trade top kingdoms.
You can only be brought so close to the top, and then you have to fight for yourself, and make your own name - but a starting one can be provided for you, assuming it's not all that known, or all that reputable. Just slightly below the limit where people would start wondering.
Buying one that's already there still saves a lot of time - and a lot of work needed to aquire all those trades you'll be using.
Time for me to head off for a bit.
Have fun - I'm sure others will love this topic.
I didn't realize that I ever misunderstood that you couldn't give away a top kingdom and expect to keep their reputation. In fact I think I stated that from the get go. I think I said that any kingdom whose reputation you could keep wouldn't be worth it because their reputation isn't one that you'd want.Quote:
Originally Posted by VT2
But I'm glad to see that your reading comprehension skills have finally come round and you've determined after such a long time that since the beginning I've been saying that this whole idea is ridiculous.
Have fun, I'm off as well
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Originally Posted by Gakundra
reputations die alot faster than their built.
Dillbert you are so retarded it's hysterical!
If SKDs wanted to get money for their provs, they could have been doing it for that last 10 years, since legal or not, trading is widespread at the top.
Your ignorance of top kd mentality is amusing to me.
Ha! Thanks DHaran. I'm glad I have an admirer.
Anyway, the difference now is that there is 0% chance of deletion -- yes it's been happening widespread for years but there has always been that chance of deletion, changing proxies and the like. Now that's gone the value of a trade to those Kingdoms has gone up many times.
And you really are naive to think some people wouldn't pay for an account. It's a sad state of affairs that it's happening to us!
The problem is that no matter how good of a KD you trade into, you are still a piece of canine excrement and will soon be found out and killed by your new KD mates when you don't pull your weight in the KD. If you were a good player you wouldn't need to get into a good KD, you would make your own.
And buying a whole KD? Pleaseeeeee. It's the players that make a KD great, not the name, and the name is all you would get. So you would still suck and ruin the name you bought, Most KDs value their names and wouldn't sell them anyway. We are droping our name this age ourselves, as the KD imploded this age and we don't want to dishonor our good name by using it when we don't deserve it. Perhaps next age, not this, we are going ghetto I guess......
LMAO at the reputation of VT2's shell. This is quality entertainment, keep it up!
I think you are entirely missing the point, Catwalk.
The problem that I and others have had with top kingdoms is not so much the constant trading, though that is one part of it, it is the fact that the monarch OWNS all the accounts, which is the really bad part of it. Not only that they can rotate other people in and out, but that they totally own those accounts. It's against the spirit of the game and this is the point that OMAC didn't understand because they talked to the wrong people. Keeping the odd newb or selecting them from Genesis or Strat channel does not make up for OWNING the kingdom.
These kingdoms are not 25 good players, these kds are owned by the monarch who brings in whoever they want. Anyone they want to get rid of, they do so. That's why there's always so much scandal when someone defects a top province. It's never through hacking, although people always say it is.
Yes, there will be people who pay for a shell. They are not paying for the kd's rep, or place in the charts, they are paying to have 25 provs which they ultimately control. They get players in to play those provinces on their behalf, in effect. If a player wont follow orders, he is bumped out of the account - or he defects it.
So yes, there will undoubtedly sooner or later be shells for sale.
heres a though, dont give your monarch your logon rights if you dont want to? that way you ll avoid this issue?
and even if a monarch owns the provinces, so what? your in it because you deserve to be by the thinking of the monarch. (otherwise you ll just normally get killed off, or in this case you ll just get traded out (no worse than getting killed off))