Gnome A/T

If there are no changes to next age, was tossing up between A/M or A/T but leaning more towards playing gnome A/T but having trouble thinking up a strat, help anyone?
thinking of something along the lines of...

10-15% homes, are these effective only when static or worth having all the time?

10-15% banks

11% farms, should be able to steal food when needed

10-15% training grounds

15-20% barracks, usually pretty active, also even if troops come home will give me a defence bonus

9% guilds

4% towers, steal more if needed

20% thieves dens

9% stables

1% dungeons


any help would be appreciated

You dun need 20 percent rax unless you're going pure attacker. Here's the thing. If you attack and grow so fast your tpa is going to be diluted most of the time. If you dun attack then your rax aint going to be tt useful. You already got quick feet. And you'll constantly need to draft and train troops, so tt constant growth will strain your economy unless you're very active in robbing. You can consider increasing the homes to 20 percent. Lots of ppl say different things, but this is my opinion. focus on thieves first and leave out the rax, get a good tpa, increase the homes and guilds. When you're going into a war or reaching your kingdom's target size leave the old buildings alone but start building rax. 10 percent will do in my opinion, cos of reduced attack time and quick feet.

Don't play failgnome.

15% homes is a decent target. alternate between 10-15 to optimise. don't just stick to build, be bit more fluid.

Too many farms, drop that to 8%

More guilds, towers are fine.

i would run probably
13% homes
7% farms
17.5% tg's
12.5% rax
17% guilds
4% towers
24% TDS
1% dungeon
9% GS

Lose the stables. useless building for the space efficiency.

Heres my gnome rogue A/T from WoL this age. 290k networth

Server: World of Legends (Age 43)
Utopian Date: January 18th, YR12 (23% in the day)
RL Date: July 27th, 2009 (17:14 GMT)

Ruler Name: Lord x the Rogue
Personality & Race: The Rogue, Gnome
Land: 1,550 Acres
Money: 1,278,394gc (24,866gc daily income)
Food: 246,495 bushels
Runes: 373,337 runes
Population: 51,027 citizens (32.92 per Acre)
Peasants: 10,835 (82% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: 1,357,398gc (0% tax rate)

ME+Stance (no spells): 121.66% off. / 109.81% def.
Soldiers: 0 (71.6% estimated draft rate)
Halflings: 8,163 (49,654 offense)
Pikemen: 10,210 (56,058 defense)
Golems: 10,979 (66,783 offense / 48,224 defense)
War-Horses: 7,680 (up to 9,343 additional offense)
Prisoners: 0

Total Modified Offense: 125,780 (81.15 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 125,780 (81.15 per Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 107,255 (69.20 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 56,058 (36.17 per Acre)

Thieves: 7,165 (4.62 per Acre / 69% Stealth)
Wizards: 3,675 (2.37 per Acre / 69% Mana)

** Networth Table: **
Total Networth: 287,679gc (185.60 per Acre)
Land (90% built): 79,050gc (27%) - [15+40gc]
Pikemen: 51,050gc (18%) - [5gc]
Golems: 49,406gc (17%) - [4.5gc]
Halflings: 32,652gc (11%) - [4gc]
Thieves: 28,660gc (10%) - [4gc]
Science (estimated): 15,440gc (5%) - [1/92gc]
Wizards: 14,700gc (5%) - [4gc]
Peasants: 10,835gc (4%) - [1gc]
War Horses: 4,608gc (2%) - [0.6gc]
Money: 1,278gc (0%) - [1/1000gc]

Buildings: 1,148gc to build, 738gc to raze
Away bonus: 54,175gc (12h) / 162,525gc (20h)



Server: World of Legends (Age 43)
Ruler Name: Lord x
Personality: The Rogue
Race: Gnome
Building Efficiency: 81.6%
Kingdom Stance: Normal

1. Homes: 239 (15.4%) + 5 in progress (+0.3%)
2. Farms: 183 (11.8%)
3. Training Grounds: 153 (9.9%)
4. Barracks: 153 (9.9%)
5. Guard Stations: 106 (6.8%)
6. Guilds: 272 (17.5%)
7. Towers: 41 (2.6%)
8. Thieves' Dens: 270 (17.4%)
9. Stables: 128 (8.3%)

Total Land: 1,550 Acres (99.7% built)
In Progress: 5 Acres (0.3%)

** Effects Summary (Available Buildings Only) **
1. +2,749 maximum population, +42.57% birth rate
2. Produce 10,453 bushels (13,066 with FL)
3. +10.89% offense bonus
4. -10.89% attack time
5. -10.4% losses when attacked
6. Training about 4.44 wizards per hour
7. Produce 401 runes per hour
8. -46.95% losses, +35.21% effectiveness
9. Produce 104 horses/hour, hold 7,680 horses



Server: World of Legends (Age 43)
Land: 1,550 Acres
Books to Allocate: 0 books

** Effects Summary (Known Science Only) **
11.4% Income (103,235 points)
8.3% Building Effectiveness (107,456 points)
7.4% Population Limits (199,758 points)
64.5% Food Production (100,676 points)
0% Gains in Combat
75.7% Thievery Effectiveness (246,487 points)
49.2% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (104,100 points)

** Science Points in Progress **
Tools: 12,728 points in progress





I'm a little behind on science because of a mid age start, but as you can see, you can get quite respectable opa and tpa playing gnome a/t :)

why so many guilds though? is 1 wpa no longer enough for any non mage? (i only just came back after a few ages)

also, i thought stables were just about the best offence building for their space...9% should mount all elites while giving 1 raw offence...seems to do more then 9% TG would? in terms of pure offence

that's pretty reasonable for a late age start

Owned by fireballs, and expose thieves.
Bam - you're dead.

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Originally Posted by VT2

Owned by fireballs, and expose thieves.
Bam - you're dead.

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not really...
with 2.5 raw wpa + 50% science, people wont have an easy time getting through...
what would you say the average wpa of a decent A/M is?
3-4 raw with ~80% science?

looking at 3.75 vs 7.2 mod, which is <2x the mod wpa
that is hardly enough to get a decent succes rate

too much guilds and farms imo, but yea for the late start nt bad.

8% Farms?

When game goes down for 24 + hours you login and see 20% of your army have starved

I keep being puzzled at seeing even as high as 8% farms... 6% is what I'm used to. Then I remember than 100%+ food sci and 120% BE is not normal, only sci pumped humans get that...

Lots of people leaving out forts... get some. A loose approximation is to split tgs/forts at the same rate as your off/def split. Not always quite optimal, but should be better than pure tg. Works better with larger %s - I'd recommend 20% min between the two buildings. (ME mods = lower NW/A with same military. You can even "under-draft" in the 60-65% range if you have enough TG/Fort to make the BE give back most of the lost military as ME mods.)

(in war) a gnome with 65% draft will fall way to quickly...
going into a war, need closer to 70%

for growing, 65% is probably fine, but anything less is bad

I'm at 72% draft. I have a lot of guilds because i was pumping wizards, just havn't gotten round to razing them yet. I need that many farms to keep fed, i don't want to rely on stealing food because thats often problematic and eats up valuable stealth.

And 'owning' me with fire balls and expose thieves is possible but that could be said of any A/t, i think my mod defensive wpa is decent

so from reading other threads... is it true that homes will offer me more offence/defence then stables?

would i b better off scratching 9% or so stables and putting in extra homes? especially with gnomes enhanced homes?

No

Stables are slightly better for gnomes than other races for 2 reasons. Firstly you're best offence unit only has '5' offence so a horse adding +1 offence is equivilent to +20% off. Seconly, theres very little chance of anyone stealing your horses :).

I'd say about 10-15% homes is best for gnome. You have lower birth rate and higher casualties so you'll need the +birth rate from homes to keep your population healthy. Plus gnomes have better homes (population wise) than other races which makes them a solid choice.

gnomes actually do very well with homes over stables =)
once you get the pop sci requirements

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Originally Posted by Spook290

so from reading other threads... is it true that homes will offer me more offence/defence then stables?

would i b better off scratching 9% or so stables and putting in extra homes? especially with gnomes enhanced homes?

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Yeah, I'd go with homes. Will help the BE of other buildings as well, main drawback is just extra NW for CLOSE to the same military (your max OPA is ever so slightly higher with stables). Big plus is significantly better turtling power, and significantly higher defense when not ALL your troops are out, which is often. Another downside is econ.

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Originally Posted by flogger

Yeah, I'd go with homes. Will help the BE of other buildings as well, main drawback is just extra NW for CLOSE to the same military (your max OPA is ever so slightly higher with stables). Big plus is significantly better turtling power, and significantly higher defense when not ALL your troops are out, which is often. Another downside is econ.

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actually, for a gnome, once you get ~4.5% pop sci (no honor), homes give same offensive increase as stables (assuming you draft the extra pop into elites)

10*1.15*1.045 = 12.01
12.01*5 = 60

same offense as a stable provides...
granted, stable gives a bit less nw, but the turtling power is worth it IMO

so 25% homes worth running as opposed to 15% and 10% stables
also, any suggestion's to draft rate to be running?

also thanks for help so far

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Originally Posted by Spook290

so 25% homes worth running as opposed to 15% and 10% stables
also, any suggestion's to draft rate to be running?

also thanks for help so far

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im a bit worried that you have the land to dedicate to 25% homes/stables
draft rate should be high 68-72, when going into a conflict, can be 62-66 when OOW

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Originally Posted by _greenie

actually, for a gnome, once you get ~4.5% pop sci (no honor), homes give same offensive increase as stables (assuming you draft the extra pop into elites)

10*1.15*1.045 = 12.01
12.01*5 = 60

same offense as a stable provides...
granted, stable gives a bit less nw, but the turtling power is worth it IMO

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Forgot to factor in the 15% with the 10 bonus. Honor makes this even more significant, esp as gnomes generally can have some sort of honor bump.

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Forgot to factor in the 15% with the 10 bonus. Honor makes this even more significant, esp as gnomes generally can have some sort of honor bump.

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no i didnt....

homes give +10 pop
10 * 1.15 (gnome) * 1.045 (science)

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no i didnt....

homes give +10 pop
10 * 1.15 (gnome) * 1.045 (science)

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I meant I forgot.

also, seeing though homes appear better then stables...would stables be better with TG? especially with the little threat of them being stolen, as around 15% TG will give 18% bonus while 10% or so stables will provide 20% more offence for the elites, without BE taking any part of it (correct me if im wrong :P )

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Originally Posted by Spook290

also, seeing though homes appear better then stables...would stables be better with TG? especially with the little threat of them being stolen, as around 15% TG will give 18% bonus while 10% or so stables will provide 20% more offence for the elites, without BE taking any part of it (correct me if im wrong :P )

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10% stables will horse 6 elites per acre
so, unless you are only planning on running 36 raw opa, stables arent better than TG's

alrighty, thanks greenie, TG's look good then =)

I'm new, so my numbers below will be wrong, perhaps ludicrously so. Any help would be appreciated.

Gnome/Rogue A/T

Homes: 10%
Farms: 8%
Dens: 20%
TG: 15%
Guilds: 10%
Towers: 7%
Rax: 10%
Banks: 10%
Forts: 10%

Homes - There seem to be varying opinions on the usefulness of Homes. Given that I'm a Halfer, I've decided to go with 10% and initially pump Pop sci up to 4.5%.

Farms - Is 8% too much? To little? I can always steal food, but I'd rather not have to do so every day.

TG - I've read that, given how few horses per acre I'm likely to get, these are a better investment than Stables.

Guilds/Towers - I've never been an attacker, so I don't know if this is too many/too little. As long as I can keep my defensive spells up and cast Quick Feet for each attack, I'll be happy.

Barracks - After factoring in Quick Feet, I'm not sure if this number is correct.

Banks - Would this land be better served with a different kind of building?

Forts - Defensive bonus.


I also lack the experiential knowledge to know how many raw military units per acre I need. Any suggestions would be helpful.

With 10% homes my population averages out to 26/acre
Draft Rate: 68% - 18 military/8 peasants per acre
Elites per Acre - 6
Defspecs per Acre - 6
Thieves per Acre - 6

Wizards per Acre - 2

That leaves me with a total of 18 military, 2 wizards, and 6 peasants per acre. Is that enough? Too much? Should I reduce or boost any one particular unit?

The main reason to even consider picking gnome is so you can zergrush people with hordes of weak units, horses, and thieves.
If you're going with it, run high homes.

'High homes' doesn't mean '45% or bust!' like vines and friends recommend.

If you're new, I recommend you play human, or give the upgraded dark elf a try.
Chocolate elf is now back to being newbie friendly, so use it while it lasts.

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Originally Posted by VT2

The main reason to even consider picking gnome is so you can zergrush people with hordes of weak units, horses, and thieves.
If you're going with it, run high homes.

'High homes' doesn't mean '45% or bust!' like vines and friends recommend.

If you're new, I recommend you play human, or give the upgraded dark elf a try.
Chocolate elf is now back to being newbie friendly, so use it while it lasts.

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just out of curiousity... is it just the lack of hosps you dont like about gnomes?

Weak units, on an individual basis.
No hospitals.
No direct economical bonuses that are reliable.
No interesting support-roles.
One-dimensional.
Penalty to birthrate.
Other races do everything gnomes does, and more, so it's not optimal for any role.

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Originally Posted by VT2

Weak units, on an individual basis.
No hospitals.
No direct economical bonuses that are reliable.
No interesting support-roles.
One-dimensional.
Penalty to birthrate.
Other races do everything gnomes does, and more, so it's not optimal for any role.

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much like zerg, get lotsa weak units, and you can win
+15% pop isnt a direct economic bonus?
support roles? dont get what you mean there....
no more one-dimensional than any other race
BR penalty, meh, could be worse
and, i disagree with you on the last bit =)

+15% pop
$250 elites
$300 thieves
Massive oow stealing

All great economic bonuses

Penalty to birth rate is lessened by the fact you'll be running lots of homes, and the fact that you have a larger popultation to start with

And humans will have a hard time doing more thief damage than a gnome rogue. If they want enough science to compare tpa, they'll have to be sage or merchant and hence won't have as much stealth