Printable View
I'm not asking about which is the best race or anything like that,but out of these two race combo's which one would survive better.longer,easier while being chained/razed and why? All serious opinions welcome.
Oh and while I'm at it the new age name will be (Age of Prov Kill).
The Age of Change you have no clue!
undead will. Undead have a never ending offense for the most part except for NS chains. When you are smacked down you will have large offense that can quad tap those around for nice acres. Orcs will have high offense as well but cant be used as efficiently. Sooner or later quad tapping to stay ahead will kill your own army where as undead they wont die as easily. Before quad tapping, cast warspoils after your first hit so that on 3 hits you have land instantly to relieve yourself from overpopping. When you get hit after that you still have that 1 attack coming in that will give you more acres. Just keep repeating that and you should stay afloat for most of the war.
If you're getting chained down with any province you're gonna have a tough time staying ahead.
We just beat down a large undead in a war. It was actually very easy. You can have all the offence in the world but when you've been beat down so bad that even our T/Ms can break you you're in trouble :P Warspoils or not!
But i would agree that undead probably have a better shot at surviving then an orc.
Agreed .
That the undead is going to be killed first cause he's more 'dangerous'? ^^
No, that the undead has more survivability quality's compared to Orc.
I was looking purely at survivability.
Any one can die first, that does not matter, then it becomes a question of who can recover from re spawn easiest and fastest.
In which the Orc takes the early lead being pumped with leets but the Undeads catch up and surpass in time again, just trying to hash this pk age over in my mind.
Let the Gnawing and Gnashing of teeth begin!
um, let the gnawing and gnashing of teeth not begin? Let's throw a pizza party instead.
the UD recovers faster over time. BUT, recovers faster over time by using the same suicider strat that got it rammed into the ground to begin with. That kind of vicious circle prolly isn't a good thing.
/shrug
could be wrong though.
New age Silly, PK havoc will reign again undeads were targets because they were easy targets for chain difficult targets to take out with the cap.
Now I'd rather kill off a elf or gnome to put the pressure on. You?
this question is aimed at this age yes ?
After playing an undead warrior last age that was chained in all 6 of my wars and pked three times ........
My money is on the ork .......
P.S.
Most people forget an undeads offence is basically based on elite conversion.
Which dies when being attacked and once you been pounded into the ground and have to start releasing ..... you no longer have that can off whoop arse offence ...... when it comes time to climb back up that slippery slope that offence cant be bought with aid but has to be gained via attacking again.
Its an incredibly ****ed vicious circle and unless you have the patience to keep banging your head against the wall after being chained down to nothing every war or play in a orginised Kingdom that can get the FW to allow you to hit out to reclaim those elites ..... my advice play a race that can BUY its offence no matter what the TB will eventually be.
See and that's what I saw all the UD we warred having problems with.... so, yeah....
Undeads suck in general! I'm glad my KD only has 2 of them so far.
Hmmmmm, I suppose it could work it they find a way to not run a suicider strat.... somehow.
I'd like to see stats on R/P that will be pk'ed this age.
When your province is getting beatn, UD is probably better because there are fewer things to worry about. You do not have to rebuild your army every time, food is not an issue and gold can always come through aid. Orcs have to worry about a decimating offense on every attack as they, like all non-UD races, lose troops on attacks. Also UD have war spoils that help them re-generate land rapidly
23. -1,395 acres: xxx (23/83)
From 1700 acres down to 200 acres within 2 days still I had 6k elites (10k elites before got chained). I still keep rocking and quad tap every time~
Orc can't survive better than UD because their elites faster than UD :)
Not really a heavy chain and they surrender so soon(they almost focus all their attacks on 2 UDs only, one of them is me) :$
Consider that WoL doesn't have the 200-acre limit anymore. If you get pk'd you lose alot more.
That's true, and start with no elites ,there in lies the problem with UD ,because UD and Orc will be targeted hard in long wars to push surrenders through with brute force by pk.
It will be a brutal age, raze kill now changes the whole dynamics of the game again.
Listen, people has been winning wars without and against UD for a long time now. its not about what u lose on attacks only but as the enemy's defense is lowering for u to make any type of comparaison, but Orc, can also be set up in a way to destroy an UD while a UD cannot.
thief: Orc
mage: Orc
sci: Orc
attacking: Orc
economy: Orc
BE: Orc
what is your taping if the orc guy can out do you in defense, revive his economy faster and retrain better than UD'def with his un-trainable elite losses?(bushin) and also have 1.3 of a better tap than you IF he has no war sci included and some nice GS aswell?so it would take you a very long time to EVER match Orc's gains and endless abilities related to it. Orc can maintain also his elites in a very good way aswell, specially if WH which isnt this case tho. but it would completly destroy UD several light years before UD's apparent eventual edge would come which isnt only incertain but also to the fact that the opponent might have already tacticly withdrawn before that happens, and if u happen to have pitfalls from a human, oh Lord, u wont last long.
This is about survivability, not 1 orc vs 1 undead.
But Orc doesn't beat Undead at thievery, magic, or BE. Also Undead have war spoils so there aren't any elite losses. Orcs can only beat Undead early in the age.
So Orc has better sci and economy.