SoM + Angel question.

I took a SoT/SoM of a province and recieved this.

SoT:
Off. Points 14,518
Def. Points 10,494

SoM:
Offensive Military Effectiveness 112.8% Net Offensive Points at Home 322
Defensive Military Effectiveness 112.7% Net Defensive Points at Home 5,228

..................... Standing Army.............Army #1
...............................................(13.07 days left)........Army #2
.........................................................................(13.12 days left)
Generals....................0........................2.......................2
Soldiers.....................48.....................2,510................2,500
Swordsmen................ 37....................866......................0
Archers.....................1,130................... -..................... -
Knights........................ 8...................117......................0
War Horses....................9..................950..................... 0
Captured Land................ -..................7.........................5

After everything was said and done in angel, it showed this province having 10494 mod defense.

Im confused as to why he has more defense than what is added up looking at the army at home. Am i doing/reading it wrong or is this right?

How much mod def does he actually have at home?

How accurate is your intel? (What percentage of thieves did you send? Are you a tactician in war?)

I sent just under 50% for both the SoT and SoM. I am not a tact and i am not in war.

sending 50% is a waste. 20% is enough

ok, don't send so much, its a waste.
For an SOT, send 20% + 1 thief for optimum intel
For an SOM, send 10 thieves.
If there is no army out, refer to the SOT for what to send.
If army is out, load the SOT into angel, then minus the army out troops from what is shown to be home in the military calculator.
Example:
SOT shows you that target has 2000 archers and 4000 knights.
SOM shows that he sent 3300 knights on an attack or multiple attacks and they are still out.
On angel's military calculator, you take 4000-3300=700. So for the slot where you input enemy troop #'s, next to Knights put 700.
This will give you a close approximation of what to send.
I would take their DEF HOME and times by 1.08 to calculate what you should send to guarantee breaking his def.

So if the target has an army out, i subtract that myself and put it into angel?

If his armies are at home, do i ignore the som and just multiply the sot defense by 1.08?

or you substract yourself and forget angel

Don't forget about TW. And beware of the way Angel handles Town Watch.

Just take some time and create a simple excel sheet for yourself.

Just get an accurate SoM.

What do you mean accurate SoM? If i understand correctly itll never be 100% accurate for me.

How accurate is the SoT?

How would 1 go about calculating all this stuff without angel?

Edit: Is this the right way?

I get a SoT of a province that has 10k def.
I get a SoM and it shows he has no armies out.

In this scenario, do i just multiply his 10k by 1.072? And oversend by about 7%?

If i get a SoM that shows 5k defense at home with 1 army out, do i subtract the elites from the original 10k def and multiply what i get by 1.072?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by DTK

What do you mean accurate SoM? If i understand correctly itll never be 100% accurate for me.

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It won't be 100% accurate, but if you send 20%+1 thieves, you get maximum (97%) accuracy. Taking the defense at home given in this SoM and oversending by 7.26% gives you a successful hit.
The reason people often use an inaccurate SoM (use up to 10 thieves) in combination with an accurate SoT, is that a SoT is much easier to get, so by sending only a few thieves on the more difficult SoM, you run less risk of losing your thieves. Even an inaccurate SoM always gives you the armies away at 100% accuracy.

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Originally Posted by DTK

How accurate is the SoT?

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97% accurate if you use 20%+1 thieves. This combines with the game's random factor to tell you to oversend by 7.26% for a guaranteed success.

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Originally Posted by DTK

How would 1 go about calculating all this stuff without angel?

Edit: Is this the right way?

I get a SoT of a province that has 10k def.
I get a SoM and it shows he has no armies out.

In this scenario, do i just multiply his 10k by 1.072? And oversend by about 7%?

If i get a SoM that shows 5k defense at home with 1 army out, do i subtract the elites from the original 10k def and multiply what i get by 1.072?

Thanks

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If you have an accurate SoT and a SoM that tells you all armies are at home, you can just take the defense given in the SoT and oversend by 7.26%

If the SoM shows that some elites are out, you first need to determine their Defensive Military Efficiency (DME). You do this by dividing the total defense given in the SoT by the total defense you would get if you simply added all the troops in the SoT together (the defense he would have at 100% DME). Next you determine the defensive value of the armies that are out, by simply adding them all up and multiplying by the DME you calculated. Finally you subtract this amount (the total defensive value of all armies out) from the defense at home given in the SoT. Oversend by 7.26% as normal.

When using an inaccurate SoM, always ignore anything this SoM gives you for armies at home. Only use the information on armies away, as this is 100% accurate.

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Just get an accurate SoM.

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I just got out of a war where, by mintime, I couldn't get an SoM on any of my targets (I had to get help with some SOTs too). And I was running 1.7 raw TPA out of the gate. :(



Also consider TW (if the race has it). Multiply peasants * .25 * DME and add to your total. Remove from subsequent double taps if you don't get an outrageous amount of kills (as they probably don't have TW).

Did you war the all halfling kd or something? lol intel is seriously not that hard to get people.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Did you war the all halfling kd or something? lol intel is seriously not that hard to get people.

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Do you read before you type?

Who mentioned anything about intel being difficult to aquire?

If you have nothing constructive to add, please refrain from posting in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Susie D.

It won't be 100% accurate, but if you send 20%+1 thieves, you get maximum (97%) accuracy. Taking the defense at home given in this SoM and oversending by 7.26% gives you a successful hit.
The reason people often use an inaccurate SoM (use up to 10 thieves) in combination with an accurate SoT, is that a SoT is much easier to get, so by sending only a few thieves on the more difficult SoM, you run less risk of losing your thieves. Even an inaccurate SoM always gives you the armies away at 100% accuracy.


97% accurate if you use 20%+1 thieves. This combines with the game's random factor to tell you to oversend by 7.26% for a guaranteed success.



If you have an accurate SoT and a SoM that tells you all armies are at home, you can just take the defense given in the SoT and oversend by 7.26%

If the SoM shows that some elites are out, you first need to determine their Defensive Military Efficiency (DME). You do this by dividing the total defense given in the SoT by the total defense you would get if you simply added all the troops in the SoT together (the defense he would have at 100% DME). Next you determine the defensive value of the armies that are out, by simply adding them all up and multiplying by the DME you calculated. Finally you subtract this amount (the total defensive value of all armies out) from the defense at home given in the SoT. Oversend by 7.26% as normal.

When using an inaccurate SoM, always ignore anything this SoM gives you for armies at home. Only use the information on armies away, as this is 100% accurate.

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Thanks for that. That helps me understand how it works much better.

Zobo...the post directly above me.



Try reading the thread?

Maaaaayyybbeeee. :P

Intel got easier after mintime though. :3

15mtpa isnt easy for a guy with 2mtpa. All halfer KD? Surely there isnt such a thing!?

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Originally Posted by DTK

Do you read before you type?

Who mentioned anything about intel being difficult to aquire?

If you have nothing constructive to add, please refrain from posting in this thread.

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trolling a mod and making the same mistake you falsely accused him of. Nice work!

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look i built a pyramid by adding constructive!

What about rob vault and night strike? Full thief? ( Sry, kind of new player around here )

Those ops have caps on the amount of damage you can do. Sending too many thieves will result in failures.

Hauchong: check out the guide there is a section about thievery formulas.

Send 1 thief for every 1000 gold the target has.
Send 1 thief for every maxTroop the target has where maxTroop = max(elites, defspecs, offspecs)

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Originally Posted by csarmi

Just take some time and create a simple excel sheet for yourself.

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/me likes this advice since he caused a kdmate to bounce for using the outdated Angel alpha 1 version -.-

I can upload a very simplistic version if you like. But it takes about 15 mins to prepare...

That would be great, if you have 15 mins ofc :) I've been thinking of a way to make one work, heh. SoT + SoM formatter, that also calculates the real net defense at home.