undead cleric help

so i will be playing another undead cleric heavy attacker next age and since the age is winding down i would like some advice on how to improve my province for next age. below is my info. please make any suggestions you can. i will be trying a different build setup next age. I have been playing A/t/m this age which has only been possible with such low tpa and wpa cause im playing in the ghetto. since i will have a full kd next age to run i will be strictly attacking.

this age growth build:

27% Guilds
25% Banks
20% WT
18% GS
5% Towers
5% Stables

this age war build:

18% WT
18% GS
17% TG
15% Rax
10% Banks
10% Guilds
7% Towers
5% Stables


next age growth build:

25% Banks
20% WT
20% GS
20% Guilds
10% Armouries
5% Towers

next age war build:

20% WT
20% GS
20% TG
15% Rax
10% Guilds
10% Banks
5% Towers

Personality & Race: , Undead
Nobility: King
Acres: 2,204 Acres
Money: 21,980gc (29,844gc daily income)
Food: 72 bushels
Runes: 58,570 runes
Population: 50,065 citzens (22 per acre)
Peasants: 11,913 (24% Peasants)
Building Efficiency: 70%

Soldiers: 1,208 (61.3 % estimated draft rate)
Skeletons: 4,197 (16,788 offense)
Zombies: 7,004 (28,016 defense)
Ghouls: 14,356 (129,204 offense / 43,068 defense)
War Horses: 5,991

Total Modified Offense: 145,014 (66 per acre)
Practical Offense (100% elites): 145,014 (66 per acre)
Total Modified Defense: 61,806 (28 per acre)
Practical Defense (0% elites): 32,532 (15 per acre)
Thieves: 3,933 (1.78 per Acre) (from CB)
Wizards: 7,454 (3.38 per Acre) (from CB)

SOS on Happy Grasslands - Last Updated: 9 minutes ago
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Utopian Date: February 13 of YR11
Relative Date: 9 minutes ago
Real Life Date: 10/28/2012 6:07:20 AM

** Effects summary **
+9.9% Income (194,459 points)
+6.9% Building Effectiveness (185,250 points)
+4.6% Population Limits (193,250 points)
+15.9% Food Production (15,427 points)
+16.3% Gains in Combat (528,860 points + 16,797 in progress)
+24.4% Thievery Effectiveness (64,648 points)
+37.7% Magic Effectiveness & Rune Production (154,708 points)

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[Posted By: Happy Grasslands] - Undead
Utopian Date: February 13 of YR11
Relative Date: 9 minutes ago
Real Life Date: 10/28/2012 6:07:12 AM

** Buildings summary **
1. Banks: 220 (10.0%)
2. Training Grounds: 374 (17.0%)
3. Barracks: 330 (15.0%)
4. Guard Stations: 396 (18.0%)
5. Guilds: 220 (10.0%)
6. Towers: 154 (7.0%)
7. Watch Towers: 396 (18.0%)
8. Stables: 109 (4.9%)

Total Acres Built: 2,199
In Progress: 0 (0.0%)
Total Acres: 2,204
Un-Built Acres: 5

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[Posted By: Happy Grasslands] - Undead
Utopian Date: February 13 of YR11
Relative Date: 10 minutes ago
Real Life Date: 10/28/2012 6:07:03 AM

** Summary **
Non-Peasants: 75.9%
Efficiency (SOM): 116.5% off, 106.7% def, 101.6% raw
Net Offense at Home (from Utopia): 2,349
Net Defense at Home (from Utopia): 30,859
Modified Attack Points (calculated): 183,822
Modified Defense Points (calculated): 76,164
** Standing Army (At Home) **
Soldiers: 911 (1,061 offense / 972 defense)
Skeletons: 240 (1,398 offense)
Zombies: 7,004 (40,798 defense)
War-Horses: 145 (up to 147 additional offense)
Total Attack Points: 2,349
Total Defense Points: 29,903
** Armies Away (Back in 10:39 Hours) **
Soldiers: 297 (346 offense / 317 defense)
Skeletons: 3,957 (23,050 offense)
Ghouls: 14,356 (150,523 offense / 50,174 defense)
War-Horses: 5,846 (up to 5,940 additional offense)
Total Attack Points: 176,119
Total Defense Points: 45,957
Captured Land: 0
** Troops in Training **
Skeletons: 1,061
Next 10 hours: 120 120 119 119 121 119 112 113 112 6
Zombies: 1,293
Next 13 hours: 100 99 100 99 100 99 99 100 99 100 99 100 99


I was at about 160k offense but got wrecked by MS recently. was also at around 3 tpa til i made a couple of land grabs.

i am aiming for about 25 ppa 25 dpa and 75 opa with at least 2 wpa and tpa. viable?

i only remember there is a rule , no loc..
but i dont remember there is a rule, no intel..hahaha

don't bother bout next age now, changes happen every age..:D

havent seen any changes posted as of yet. i assume most of the stuff will remain the same or close. not too worried about giving anything away since its eoa soon lol

made many mistakes this age that i'm aware of. would like some advice to help with ones im unaware of so i dont repeat them. first age back in many years and im not quitting til i win a crown of some type or I die, whichever comes first

You could do better with your offense, 75 (mod?) opa is pretty weak for such low dpa. More stables? All our attackers have 8-10% stables before war. Without crunching numbers, 7% stables/15% TGs should give better offense than 5/17. Get 1.5-2% dungeons also.

I'd take space from GS/WT, how much will depend on your position in relation to the rest of your kdmates. For example, if you're one of the smaller provs in your kd, then skimming GS/WT (10% each) for the first couple of waves should be fine.

How you run your dspecs and elites number depend more on kd strategy. 25 dpa is fine if all other undeads/heavy attackers runs 25 dpa. I tend to lean toward a more balanced dspecs/elites approach for most attackers, but again, depends on kd strategy here.

what would you reccomend i put those acres to instead? i am usually our biggest attacker. were starting another war currently and the enemy kd has opened with 4 attacks on me. i am usually the first chain target.

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Originally Posted by tras19

what would you reccomend i put those acres to instead? i am usually our biggest attacker. were starting another war currently and the enemy kd has opened with 4 attacks on me. i am usually the first chain target.

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unless our are literally the #1/2 biggest attacker in the kd and u need an insane mod off i'd recommend 10+% stables and 10-15% TG. you can always increase your TG later to compensate.

As an fyi you are WAY under drafted as an attacker.. for a comparison late age..fyi i'm a bit under-drafted right now too but i'd still consider late age u'll face prov pumped like this.

Land: ~1,950 Acres
Practical (100% elites): 181,677 (94.43 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 72,968 (37.92 per Acre)
Thieves: 3,767 (1.96 per Acre / 90% Stealth)
Wizards: 3,143 (1.63 per Acre / 66% Mana)

oh and fyi
next age growth build:...try

25% Banks
10% WT
10% GS
20% Guilds
10% Armouries
10% Stables
10% rax
5% Towers

hit out 2 times a day as a plunder.

yea my draft rate was at 70% and almost fully trained but i got wrecked by ms for 18 hours while working and asleep while my armies were home and also sent thousands of soldiers out in aid to a prov who was being pez killed. i was lookin a little better but still not quite where i wanted to be. undead troop costs are so expensive lol. that growth build looks like it would be more fun. i can now keep my armies out cause i just bought a smart phone so i can make hits during work haha. thanks for the suggestion man

No homes? not even 1% dungeons in war builds?

i never run homes. and nope on the dungeons. not really too much offense from 1% dungeons imo.

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Originally Posted by tras19

i never run homes. and nope on the dungeons. not really too much offense from 1% dungeons imo.

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good, homes on an attacker is bad. Note while dungeons if filled is the best building in the game if you're unlikely to keep them in your build during war. oftentimes its EASIER to simply not include them.

Home is often not worth it on an attacker, but nothing is absolute. Your personality/size in kd/role all affects whether you should get homes or not. If you got a lot of free space and got 15%+ in all your main buildings, then in general, you should consider getting some homes. For instance, 0->5% homes would give you around 1 opa more than 15%->20% TGs (but at the cost of more elites/NW).

For the same reason, home is actually recommended on Avians as they don't have as many offense-modding building as everyone else (no stables).

There are also pre-war strategies that optimize home usage in war. If you are small and know you won't get chained in the first couple of waves, you can run homes pre-war so you could carry more elites/dspecs into war. It gives you a slight edge when your acres come in after the intial landgrab in war, then raze your homes into something more useful. Similarly, if you can do army in/army out, then get enough stables to mount all your elites pre-war, then raze them in war. It helps that I'm a dwarf with free building, tho :)

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Originally Posted by tamle

Home is often not worth it on an attacker, but nothing is absolute.
It helps that I'm a dwarf with free building, tho :)

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Correct homes being razed like stables works if you a dwarf as u can basically rebuild for free, but now your not talking about a "war" build but an adaptive build that is well above most people who ask for advise on the forums.

I mean how many people are capable of running 85% homes 5% guilds 10% stables pre war and stealing/aiding all the food/runes you need only to rebuild everything but guilds right as your kd waves/gets waved.

switching so many buildings is very difficult for undead because of the high troop costs. i barely have enough gold to build my incoming acres and keep my defspecs even due to MS wrecking them. my elites stay pretty balanced cause i keep them out at all times and have the off spec conversion bonus

Much easier to run off ppa ect..

base your numbers on 28 ppa (sci, honor, homes)

2 tpa
3wpa (this with 10-15% towers and ~40% sci will allow u to fb most avians/orcs/ud's in war if you arent warring a top tier kd as most ghetto attackers run 1 raw wpa)
7 dspa --> 31 dpa (@112% eff)
11 epa --> (77 opa from leets + 11 opa from horses =88 opa, 88x1.22 (15% tg's) will give you 107 OPA mod)
5 ppa.

So running this to get these numbers for opa/dpa is 15% tg's and 10% homes.
Final numbers will be-

2.8 mod tpa (sci incl)
4.2 mod wpa (sci incl)
31 dpa (leets out)
56 dpa (leets in)
107 opa (based on 15% tgs and 1 horse per leet)

Leaves you plenty of room for WT's/GS's/Rax ect..
Myself personally i would be dropping to 4 ppa at start of war and raising my tpa to 3 raw and even raising my epa to 12 and dropping my dspa to 6.

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Originally Posted by tras19

switching so many buildings is very difficult for undead because of the high troop costs. i barely have enough gold to build my incoming acres and keep my defspecs even due to MS wrecking them. my elites stay pretty balanced cause i keep them out at all times and have the off spec conversion bonus

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that was my point :P
Doing the full rebuilds pre/mid war can give a nice advantage but its hard to manage without kd support of the concept.

yea i dont think my kd can handle that concept too well atm. we are always hurting for gold mid war and onward

right now three of our attackers are unable to make hits due to wage shortages so we have a floating gc pool being sent around when needed so it doesnt get stolen lol

this thread is now irrelevant with the hardcore nerf to cleric. will not be playing cleric next age if changes stick. prob still go with undead though. or maybe an awesome elf attacker lol with a bit of magic.

Hardcore?

ya Bishop, you've completey ruined it! *wink*

yea who wants to play a personality with one bonus?

hooray ud cleric is back on due to final changes!

Final changes have not been announced yet have they???

i misread something lol. they have not