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Hi guys, the title says it all.
What do you think utopia needs to become a better game? All ideas are welcomed. Who knows maybe someone important might check them out? :)
I have lots of ideas, but one particular idea that bothers me and that I would like your opinion on is:
"Lower the number of players in the kingdom to 10 - 13 players max"
What do you think about this guys?
There is a Suggestions subforum.
http://forums.utopia-game.com/forumd...83-Suggestions
First thread in Suggestions form is about exactly this: http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...-15&p=15465174Quote:
I have lots of ideas, but one particular idea that bothers me and that I would like your opinion on is:
"Lower the number of players in the kingdom to 10 - 13 players max"
What do you think about this guys?
But to humour you, I will say legalize xlogging and (non-automated) login scripts.
A thousand excuses..
Can I somehow transfer this thread to the Suggestions subforum? Or it would be better to start another there?
Let a mod move it
Sincerely, I don't know what xlogging is and how would that fit in the Utopia context?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
And why would you need non-automated login scripts? (very curious)
To facilitate xlogging? I dont wanna have to log every province manually =\
Sorry for the 'obvious' question, but what is xlogging? :) Google doesn't tell me much about it. And how would it apply to utopia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
X-logging is the practise of login on to the accounts of your kingdom mates. Its one of the ways you can cheat into this game:)
Well, would that solve the problem? Wouldn't that mean more work for one person? I mean would it be fun for you to play 3 provinces at once?Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
Hey guys, any more ideas? :)
Most of the stuff I can think of the devs have added. Frankly, most of the remaining problems are based in player culture.*
I think khronoschotty(sorry for the name butchering) made some great suggestions.
The biggest problem I've encountered is the screen jump that causes you to push the wrong tabs. The game should be accessible and user friendly in the interest of developing world players.
One of my suggestions was to have satellite kingdoms(5 players or less) that could glom onto kingdoms of less than 25 in the interest of war stance. Reason being there are a lot of players like myself who don't want to or can't do the full kingdom rigamarole of 3rd party com systems, bot fiddling, and baby sitting the meter. I and others like me would be happy to join an abbreviated kingdom in war vs larger kingdoms. The base mechanic would be that the satellite kingdom would be subject to the host kingdom meter. The idea would be to allow a greater field of kingdoms to participate in wars across size and nw.
* Player Culture Problems:
Kingdoms define themselves by warring, whoring/honor which is stifling to players like myself who aren't afraid to grow into formidable territory and mix it up with tough kingdoms. Most war kingdoms are narrow field and sometimes even define themselves as casual, serious or ghetto.
Every kingdom wants you to use this bot or that app that doesn't work on old platforms. In fact I enjoy playing the game without bots and just kingdom chat. This has essentially driven me to retirement, lol. By the same token this creates problems for the potential of developing world players who may have technological and language barriers. I'm perfectly fine sharing kingdom space with players who can't speak English. Thus, having easy access to 5 province kingdoms would allow players like myself and other rejects to join the game and be unobtrusive to the bot and com equipped kingdoms. Activity and fight IQ have always been my strengths. The little kingdoms would allow for rejects to learn the sweet science of poking the bear and how to deal with the ensuing violence.
In Conclusion
We can put the lower province kingdom debate to rest by allowing satellite kingdoms to merge in war with kingdoms of less than 25. This wouldn't solve all the problems since it's obvious the OP regards 13 as the maximum obtainable level of quality players. Recruitment is a tough skill/talent and players so gifted often scoff at the inability of certain leaders to retain a pool of quality. Still, we can play with these numbers, basically allowing the number of provinces, size and nw to equal a possible war target. Heck, you could even "shop" for ringers which might add intrigue.
Even tho there is many threads. ill address the one of lowering kd numbers. It will kill the game .Everything else wont need to be even looked at because there will be no one left.
Well sure Lowering numbers of KDs is bad... JKQuote:
Originally Posted by Thunder TA
I speculate you meant lowering prov numbers in a KD .
I see no way this suggestion will kill the game.
I doubt ANY KD has the same 22 members from 2 ages back.
As it was mentioned in the other exact topic thread, the number of members could even be reduced over several ages.
To max a KD at 13-15 seems excessive to me but 20 members would be very doable.
Resulting in more KDs not fewer.
I'm curious why would 15 players per kingdom kill the game? Do most of the kingdoms in the game have a core of 20 players or it's just the top 10 kds that do?Quote:
Originally Posted by sl0hnd
One more thought would be that it would decrease the comradeship feeling that this game creates?
Read the appropriate thread
I cant figure out why people think lowering the number of people in a kd will somehow make all these new leaders to run these kds. Bad leaders run off more players than anything else. New people being told stupid **** to do,new people not being taught that hitting into wars isnt good. There are people all the time looking for kds. If your kd cant recruit them and even get to 20-22 people you already have a monarch issue . People play this game mostly because of the players they play with as friends. Break that up and they leave. Not rocket science folks and this has been went over for years. Recruit people to fill your kds .
Inverse that logic to 'hone your skills with a quality core'. Let's assume recruiting is a strength for some and weakness for others. If recruiting isn't your strength then either delegate the role, work on your ability to recruit OR work with the players you have. There's no reason to fear larger kingdoms if your team is tight and you have sharp teamwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunder TA
I've been in micro-kingdoms and the fundamentals still apply. Fact is, most micro-kingdoms I've occupied didn't have even mediocre teamwork. The first rule is to balance your ideals and pragmatism. I'm not afraid of anyone in Utopia which is a byproduct of my curiosity. When a dangerous opponent is encountered I want to know what makes them tick. By engaging in hopeless exchanges I'm looking over my opponents.
We can learn much by rejecting the culture of the norm and embracing adventure.
Leaders aren't born from quality cores. Leaders just sort of are. Some people understand the game and happen to want to put in the time to lead and have the ability. Others have the interest but need to be taught everything cause they're idiots. Good players can be ok leaders when needed, but leadership takes an incredible amount of time.
The idea that Utopia should be made to require less time is... Worth entertaining, but not in the direction administration seems to be taking kt
Anyways, if you want solid suggestions (other than my first), then grow the player base. There are communities open to games like Utopia, khronosschoty and I continually push the idea of approaching the FOSS community, for instance.
Anyways, other than that, a full rewrite of the game, so that it is actually quick? Proper mobile interface, and maybe an official app?
The only improvements left to be made are quality of life/convenience ones like those, other than the glaringly obvious fact that we need more players.
Extend min time to 72 hours
Will do, will read the other threads here in the suggestion forum thoroughly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
I want to specify, is the min time you're talking about the minimum time in hostile before entering war? How would that help? (I haven't played in a super-kingom and some things aren't obvious at a lower level)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillz
And yeh, I always thought that Utopia was quite fast as a website. (Haven't played for a while now, will check it soon though)
And by the way, I want to say that you're making interesting points guys, this is valuable information, I wonder if the administration is reading these kinds of threads.
No he means war, a minute time war is now 48 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybersnake
Thanks! So a 72 hour war would be better.. But why? I'm curious to learn the reason. (Sometimes you want a fast war, just saying)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Because going to war to abuse the post war cf to pump for a rematch is sort of cheap. I guess there is a fine line between strategic withdrawals and exploitation of mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybersnake
I'd also argue that in many cases 48h is too short a time to war these days.
Lower the number of provinces per kingdom. merge all kingdoms with less than 5 provinces. More building options! Have a building or spell that increases Mana regeneration.
Revoke his ability to post is my latest suggestionQuote:
Originally Posted by Kensal
I 2nd the motion based on the fact its a game killing suggestion thats gone over almost weekly but every person who cant recruit thinks it what the game has to have to help them.
How about iternationalization? Was this idea brought up? What do you guys think?
The game is already played all over the world, what do you have in mind that is different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybersnake
I mean that not all people know the English language and many don't play because of it. If the game would be translated into several other languages, perhaps it would increase popularity. Thiughts?
How about credits that are half price and only last 8 hours. This way you can set one of your kd mates a sitter over night. You should also be allowed double the amounts of sitters during the age, as you will be using it more often
So if I buy say 40 credits I have to spend them in 8 hours or they expire? uhm no thanks, even at half price no thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Speersy1
Can Admins pretty please just pin one of these umptillion threads about lowering the province threshold? That way we wouldn't have to rehash the same argument every time somebody suggests this yet ANOTHER time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybersnake
1. Reducing the province threshold doesn't magically create more kingdoms, it creates more leaderless nubs. Because while players are important to a kingdom what you need is leaders. And lowering the province threshold doesn't magically create more leaders.
2. Yes dropping it from 25 to 15 or 20 overnight would lead to an exodus of players, doing it 1 province at a time per age it might work, assuming that you resolve the aforementioned issue of a lack of leaders.
Creating more kingdoms without leaders just creates more farms, and farms gets forced out of the game because they get farmed time and time and time again without being able to do anything about it, and so they quit to go play something more enjoyable.
If people could on stop replying to almost 4 months old posts ...
Heh my bad, I didn't check the original date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp