The uses of Homes . . .

[MorbidAngel]

but you had nap with absalom!

[Ezzerland]

Vines, you're so full of ****. You deleted your province before you'd fight me, you got owned by Dharan. You don't know **** about how to play the game and your "keeper" strategy sucks ass. You lack heavily in all 3 categories. If you buff up your tpa/wpa to 5 raw, you'd still get owned by a gnome or human with 3 raw or more. And even then, you'd get owned by any attacker simply because you cannot match their numbers.

it's beyond sad you wouldn't fight me on gen btw. You had 3 weeks of pumping/growth before I even made an account there to challenge you. Pathetic.

[Thunder TA]

im glad vines returned :)

[Lordwarallied]

gosh i hate those freakin stupid log out thing when ur trying to post something, now my whole post is gone. thats just stupid. vines. im just using your plain logic,you have balls to say im full of it pretty much while im actually judging what you say on what you say and show rather than what other says of you. then you go around saying how al lthe others are wannabes and constant nag you and critise you for stuff. just dont reverse the medal k?

saying im full of it means nothing, saying 50% homes outdo everything means nothing, without proof there is nothing worth for you to say.

so far, none of your calc can show that you can have more income, more military, better trained troops and more tpa/wpa than a specialised pumped province.
and yes, ppl stronger than you can hit you without bottomfeeding, thats why homes is a bad idea. for someone ur land size, u might have a better nwpa when you will be more or less stronger than he, but you will indeed reach the nwth level of some guys that will definetly *uck you up easily which will overpop you in an instant.

also, yes, you can be protected from any types of ops that actually could de-stabilise your prov usually. 8tpa 8wpa could work, but raw, without modifiers is useless, its weak to massacres, but since those high numbers of tpa/wpa is 27.5% EACH of a 50% homes prov. i really doubt much defense is left for you to use and still have some kind of economy to withstand anything looking like a dragon, a hit, or a NS chain.

[Micke-]

atleast he's trying to post calcs... compared to some other induviduals around in this thread.

[Lordwarallied]

dunno what ur talking about. im mentioning the same numbers he does. plus, if you were paying attention to what some people write, ud know that i did enough number calc and that vines IS making several statements. ive already showed my point in both oral and in numbers . i dont need to repeat myself...like some other in this thread..

[vines]

Look I have lots of things to take care of and sometimes I don't always have time for this game so I go inactive. Ezzerland it has nothing to do with you.


Lordwarallied, greenie posted up some examples of provines that used high homes. Your ideas about a person with high homes can be over populated more so then a province with out many homes. Now that's just wrong. Homes give more ppa (people per acre). More people per acre means a person has to lose more population before they get overpopulated. A province becomes over population after being attack due to the loss of land. One can only lose so much land from an attack. Provinces using more homes need more land taken than one attack can take in order to begin to become overpopulated.

Lordwarallied believe what you want. There are so many things that you just don't understand. I'm find with people believe me to be a fool. I don't mind it.

[geln0r]

Look vines:

A 1000 acre province running 50% homes will have:

+5000 population; +100% Birth rates

compared to a 1000 acre, 0% homes province.

Lets say that an attack takes away about 13% of your land. Then the province with 50% homes will lose 6.5% of its total homes, and 6.5% spread across its other buildings.

This means the effect of the homes will now be:

+4350 population; +100% birth rates

so

delta population is: -650 peasants

because you lose less than 650 peasants when getting trad marched at 1000 acres, the province with 50% homes is in deeper overpop than the ones with 0% homes.

q.e.d.

[Micke-]

I know something you dont about overpop though :p besides overpop aint always a bad thing...

[MorbidAngel]

geln0r, but overpop % is still the same

[geln0r]

Percentages are similar, but i dont think they are the same unless through pure coincidence. The prov running homes will always have slightly higher overpop.

Say, for example, the trad kills 200 peasants:

Then: (X+4800)/(Y+4350) > (X-200)/Y

if you define X and Y as

X: population before being attacked (assuming prov is at max population)
Y: population maximum after being attacked

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as example, i took

X:= 6750
Y:= 6075

which results in

1.1079 > 1.0782

granted, the difference is pretty small. All im saying is the effect is in fact there, because someone asked for formulas.

P.S. if my thinking is flawed somehow, let me know

[Ezzerland]

A 1000 acre province running 50% homes will have:

+5000 population; +100% Birth rates

Actully, it's +4,000 pop. Unless the province has sci or is gnome (gnome will have +5,750)

If you then got hit for 13% of your land, assuming everything was distributed perfectly evenly, you'd be at 3480 (you'd be at 870 acres)

[vines]

I'm not sure if it is 4,000 or 5,000. Either way, even if, one gets hit for 13% of his or her land the troops he or she will lose willl be filled up fast by working class people due to the high birth rate.

[VT2]

So Red mist is so magical it actually GAINS peasants when it's lost 13% land, and should really be losing them, due to overpop?

[vines]

You won't be over populated. 4000-3480 = a difference of only 500 toops. You will lose more troops in the battle so in fact may be underpopulated depends on how one runs a provinces with high homes. Me I would not be over pop or under populated.