The general's compendium - we make strats for you.

[Turtle Man]

u freaks

[TallicadaZ]

Orc/Warrior this age.

Im thinking...

10% Homes
10% Farms (reduce to 7-8 with sci - throw the few extra into TG's)
15% Banks
15% TG's
10% Hosps
13% Guilds
5% Towers
10% WT's
10% Stables
2% Dungeons

Warrior should give me x2 attacks per day which will be enough in war, i'll adjust to suit OOW for retraining leets (arms etc)
Anything glaringly obvious, as I've played for many years but dont think i've played Orc before... (flame on) :-P
Read and re-read the 'Orc homes' thread and still can't come to a decision if I want to encompass them into my strat, I don't know if im 'robbing peter to pay paul' by having more troops and a high TG %, but it should help keep BE modest and have a decent TPA!
My understanding would be to have lower troops but higher modifiers to keep nw lower, so may lose the homes, would this be feasible?

[VT2]

You get credits that let you train elites. You don't need banks.
Ditch the banks and/or homes for barracks - you're useless if you can't lay into people both hard and fast.

Steal ponies, instead of devoting land to stables.

10% guilds - no more, no less.

[Turtle Man]

what is it with u and stealing ****ing ponies? JUST LEAVE THE PONIES OUT OF THIS MAN.

Stealing ponies during war/before war is too risky to leave up to orcsiesl, they are not really made to be great thieves, especially as talli is using WTs, meaning he is not gonna go A/t. However, if there is a noob on the otherside with many ponies unprotected by thieves or many watchtowers, stealing ponies is not feasable. You will lose many thieves and expose yourself to other REAL thieves to NS the fkg fk outa ya worse than ever

[VT2]

How is that easy op 'risky,' or 'a waste,' when most of you who play orc pretend that 'heavy attacker' is awesome to the max, so never use your stealth, anyway, and have about as high TPA as the rest of the orcs out there - which is 'insignificant?'

Do you realize how much you're missing out on by netdecking your 'heavy attacker?'

[Turtle Man]

imo orcs should have some thieves for offensive purposes against other thieves of their leve, but taking Tallis specific build in mind, he has WTs, WTs are not for offensive thieves. He clearly is not planning on focusing his efforts on thieves.

If he were to change those 10% WTs into 10% TDs and try to squeeze in another 3-5% to make it ~15% TDs along with maybe 2.5-3 raw tpa, than i would say he can somewhat consistently be able to work the pony stealing strategy u speak of.

Also his build does not have rax, which means perhaps he is not expecting to be super active? When his armies return home will they send out immediately? If not those ponies are gonna run away very quickly!

[VT2]

Everyone benefits from having 2 TPA raw.
Even stupid 'heavy attacker' orcs, if only so they can steal all the horses from other 'heavy attacker' orcs, that think it's awesome to run less than 2 TPA raw, and no mods.

See what I did there?
I defeated netdecking.

[Turtle Man]

i dont think that running heavy attacker is necessarily stupid. What if your KD has their solid mystics and thieves? Wouldnt u want orcs with heavy land gains coming in and plowing through the opponents big boys?

[VT2]

You have four generals, 100% stealth, and 100% mana.
That's three potential guns.

If you have 25 people, and 12 of them are only using one gun, but the people you battle also have 25, and all of them are using two guns, you're going to lose automatically.

You overspecialize.
You have great and awesome offense - yes - but you also have stealth and mana. Why aren't you using one of them, in addition to your great and awesome offense? Because you've been told orc is only 'the best' if it hits, and does nothing else.

Contrary to popular belief, you don't need to be 'the best' in order to win - you simply need to be better than your opponents.
Being 'the best' typically means you're going to imitiate an already established style of play, with or without knowing the true strengths or weaknesses related to it.

When you take 'being the best' too far, you'll enter a realm that's known as netdecking.
If your opponent's team in pokémon has a gyarados, it's going to be either really bulky, and have taunt, or dragon dance, because these are 'the best' gyarados.
When I toss out vaporeon, you're going to assume it has surf, wish, and nothing else of concern, because that's 'the best' vaporeon.

Essentially, all those who are 'the best' use already established, tried, and proven setups, and thus have very low variety. You meet an orc on the remains of the mid-tier or above, you're almost guaranteed it's going to be a 'heavy attacker,' because that's 'the best' orc.

Now, when one of my orcs steals all your orc's ponies, or straight up nighstrikes your stuff to pieces, you're going to say that I'm cheap - just like how people say I'm cheap when I use my jolteon for offensive purposes, and destroys dragons in one hit.
They simply don't expect these things to ever happen, because, in their little worlds, running anything that's not 'the best' is simply unthinkable.

Rather than learning from this, and remembering that orcs have stealth, too, and jolteon actually learns offensive moves, and has good special attack, they're going to cry, whine, complain, and eventually ragequit.
Those who don't cry are better than you, and have, quite effectively, defeated 'the best.'

Ryu only has hadoken. Sagat's not able to throw. Orcs can't run ops. Grass is useless. Sol is only good if you can land a dustloop. Fox McCloud only. Jolteon only learns support. Vaporen isn't a threat if you wall it. All this because you've been told it's how things are - you either didn't feel like forming your own opinion, or you're not knowledgable enough to do so.

[Tight Panties]

I want to see VT2 post that a T/M is better than a pure attacker...which does he hate more?

[VT2]

I'd rather have a heavy attacker than a T/M.
Attacking is worth more, and it's usually easier to make a 'heavy attacker' realize he's being stupid. T/M's tend to be very selfish, and prone to ragequits and fits where they refuse to cooperate once they get broken, or their precious honor is threatened.

As a matter of fact, I don't recall having successfully made a T/M follow my orders to the letter for several years.
It's always 'yeah, well, I bring in honor with landlust and propaganda. So what if I don't hit? What are you doing? Losing land to attacks!? You're so n00b!' while the heavy attacker goes 'durr, I didan' kno' ah could use both A an' T at da same time, kingy! How I use spy on military?'

[desert_foxams]

You have four generals, 100% stealth, and 100% mana.
That's three potential guns.

If you have 25 people, and 12 of them are only using one gun, but the people you battle also have 25, and all of them are using two guns, you're going to lose automatically.

You overspecialize.
You have great and awesome offense - yes - but you also have stealth and mana. Why aren't you using one of them, in addition to your great and awesome offense? Because you've been told orc is only 'the best' if it hits, and does nothing else.

Contrary to popular belief, you don't need to be 'the best' in order to win - you simply need to be better than your opponents.
Being 'the best' typically means you're going to imitiate an already established style of play, with or without knowing the true strengths or weaknesses related to it.

When you take 'being the best' too far, you'll enter a realm that's known as netdecking.
If your opponent's team in pokémon has a gyarados, it's going to be either really bulky, and have taunt, or dragon dance, because these are 'the best' gyarados.
When I toss out vaporeon, you're going to assume it has surf, wish, and nothing else of concern, because that's 'the best' vaporeon.

Essentially, all those who are 'the best' use already established, tried, and proven setups, and thus have very low variety. You meet an orc on the remains of the mid-tier or above, you're almost guaranteed it's going to be a 'heavy attacker,' because that's 'the best' orc.

Now, when one of my orcs steals all your orc's ponies, or straight up nighstrikes your stuff to pieces, you're going to say that I'm cheap - just like how people say I'm cheap when I use my jolteon for offensive purposes, and destroys dragons in one hit.
They simply don't expect these things to ever happen, because, in their little worlds, running anything that's not 'the best' is simply unthinkable.

Rather than learning from this, and remembering that orcs have stealth, too, and jolteon actually learns offensive moves, and has good special attack, they're going to cry, whine, complain, and eventually ragequit.
Those who don't cry are better than you, and have, quite effectively, defeated 'the best.'

Ryu only has hadoken. Sagat's not able to throw. Orcs can't run ops. Grass is useless. Sol is only good if you can land a dustloop. Fox McCloud only. Jolteon only learns support. Vaporen isn't a threat if you wall it. All this because you've been told it's how things are - you either didn't feel like forming your own opinion, or you're not knowledgable enough to do so.

you are absolutely correct. i will readjust my stats to focus on heavy attacker with strong TM. as human sage, i can science max out thivery and magic effetiveness. thereby giving me more options or 3 guns as you call it. but maybe the magic is just a pistol while atack and TM is the heavy weapons. thanks so much for his info

[VT2]

You're going to quickly discover that you've got a problem there, Tex.
You see, one of your hands is always going to be wielding the revolver made by Attack arms inc, and this leaves you with one arm free, and two desired guns.
If you're human, make it T. Same with gnome. Elf, orc, and avian can all go whatever they feel like, but chocolate elf and dwarf are much better of dual-wielding the revolver with a semi, that spits out M.

[Darthob]

VT2, everything you've said has been very well put. Good job know wtf you're talking about lol.

[TallicadaZ]

good points.

I might half the stables, i dont want to be completely reliant on stealing for ponies, not yet anyways til ive tried it.
Drop a few % guilds, half the WT's and throw it all into TD's.

Thanks for the pointers, ill give it a bash