Now that the final changes are out

[kbone]

plus you cant ambush WS

[Ordray]

This is false. NS affects army out. I'm not sure if MS or NM affect army out, but also possibly those. You also aren't considering other methods of affecting an army such as overpopulation and starvation, although starvation doesn't apply to Undead.

I think that MS only effects armies home. Can't go back far enough in my province history log to confirm though. Anyone in war able to confirm this?

[EdibleUndies]

wwwwaaaaiiittt a minute.... NS kills off armies that are out?? There was a huge debate in the forums awhile back about not being able to kill offense while they were out. Are you 100% sure about this palem?

[CaptRedLemur]

wwwwaaaaiiittt a minute.... NS kills off armies that are out?? There was a huge debate in the forums awhile back about not being able to kill offense while they were out. Are you 100% sure about this palem?

It's a low % of troops out. This was changed a while back, however, I can't remember if they changed it again or it just didnt work. One of those things that's never been clarified for a few ages. Be curious to know for certain as well.

[Pestermenot]

NS kills off out. Experienced it myself.

[Palem]

Yes, I'm sure NS affects army out. Every month or so someone reports it as 'bug' even though that's how it's supposed to function lol

[faye]

People should read the freaking "Guide" before posting 'bugs' or asking questions about what something should or shouldn't do.

"Night Strike

Assassinates a portion of your enemy's military, both at home and away. "

Sure, the guide could be wrong, but it's a great place to start.

Undeads will be quite formidable, especially if they are warring a KD full of non-undead clerics. They wouldn't run many/any Hospitals, relying on their -50% casualties, and if plague hits them, it's going to stick for a long time w/o NB, or if you're lucky. NS can kill their elites while it being out, but i can't see even if someone spent all their stealth NSing an undead with elites out would be able to kill enough elites even to cover a normal attacker's elite loss.

[Pestermenot]

Depends on their TPA, don't it?

[Ordray]

People should read the freaking "Guide" before posting 'bugs' or asking questions about what something should or shouldn't do.

"Night Strike

Assassinates a portion of your enemy's military, both at home and away. "

Sure, the guide could be wrong, but it's a great place to start.

Undeads will be quite formidable, especially if they are warring a KD full of non-undead clerics. They wouldn't run many/any Hospitals, relying on their -50% casualties, and if plague hits them, it's going to stick for a long time w/o NB, or if you're lucky. NS can kill their elites while it being out, but i can't see even if someone spent all their stealth NSing an undead with elites out would be able to kill enough elites even to cover a normal attacker's elite loss.

Maybe or maybe not, depends on the TPA of the two provinces. If it's a halfer/rogue w/ 20 TPA on a <5 TPA undead, then, yes you'll see a large difference following a round of NS'ing. Don't forget that NS also kills his defense, so it opens him up for multi-taps and easier chaining.

[caracal]

while the army is out only nightstrike (or ambush) can kill troops BUT if you overpopulate a province or bankrupt it the offense wont go out once it returns and you are a sitting duck for meteors, propaganda, attacks as well as portion of them deserting every tick you have housing shortage, starvation or can't pay military.

Anyway no one will run 100% elite undead army as always need specs to be converted so while in theory it looks strong it is below other options.

short war (48hrs) i reckon Orc>Avian>Human>Dwarf>Undead>Elf>Halfling>Faery

longer war (72+hrs) Avian>Human>Undead>Dwarf>Orc>Elf>Halfer>Faery
these are as having strongest army and in long war keeping it strong, sure everyone has own opinion which makes for better debate and game :)

[Kayani]

Hm. I'd put Halfer above Elf for army strength. I think a lot of other people would too. 6/5 Elite w/ +5% pop vs. 6/3 Elite makes a big difference.

[DHaran]

Hm. I'd put Halfer above Elf for army strength. I think a lot of other people would too. 6/5 Elite w/ +5% pop vs. 6/3 Elite makes a big difference.

Elf has 0/6 def spec, and as a Halfer you should be running higher TPA, so no not really.

[Kayani]

Edit:

Deleted my post. Not gonna reply to a troll. Run the math. Halfer can have better army than Elf and still run 3ish higher raw TPA.

[DHaran]

How am I trolling? You know me so well from your whole 3 months of posting here? rofl

Posting random numbers doesn't prove anything, how did you come up with those figures?

[Bishop]

6/5 with 5% pop and no hospitals is stronger than 6/6 with 20% cheaper wage/draft/price?

comparing halfers a/t ability to a non a/t race isnt really fair btw.