Mercy vs Pulse round 2.

[John Snowstorm]

L2Tag noob.

you were free to have a rematch any time later in the age, you even gave notice iirc, before chickening out.

[Proteus]

because we never diced or CF'd anyone.


You only have a perfect cow record if you discount any losses as not being cows, I suppose you chose human merch this age to be a mid-core sized prov?

You can spin whatever "facts" whatever way you want, but if that's all you're doing and thats not egotripping then I am 100% in the right and safe to point out that mercy where not at some major disadvantage like they want to claim in our first fight, they were 3troops per acre more pumped and we weren't in warbuild.

I'm to take it that spitting on resumes and claiming you are going to farm pulse to crown is also just stating facts?

No I did not discount anything. Feel free to search the archives and prove me wrong. There was no cowing this age for anyone and we chose human merchants for the same reason you chose them, neither kingdom had cows yet when that option was available to both kingdoms. It was a much better move to allocate pool to faeries. So its funny you claim we 'failed' yet you didn't as your province were the same size as ours and were never cows.

As for your comments on what was supposed to be an inside joke/motivational exercise for the kingdom, I'd say you are mistaken because something can't be called a 'fact' when its made prior to the event unfolding, nonetheless it was actually nothing but a kingdom joke. But yes we did beat your kingdom that age. While we didnt gain #1 from it, we still won the war. Thanks to flogger's surprising and effective strategy (flogger's not john's mind you) you guys held in gains.

Also if you look at forum posts I have not been making any egotistical comments so I am not sure what you are alluding to, its all water under the bridge for me. Hence I was surprised to see seasoned players from your kingdom behaving in such a fashion. You guys are not newbies and understand that at this level everyone wins and loses. You have all won and lost to each other so acting in a superior fashion is not really representative of the underlying the results.

[Evillone]

Generally considered by you perhaps, I've seen that strat done back in Age 15 by some Wrath provs who wanted to try it before an inconsequential war. That was Deep River's idea. So much for originality.

Seriously, you're genuinely trying to say you are one of the top strategists in the game? o_O Your ego is far larger than your talent, lad.

I tried to tell flogger a age or two ago that most of the things he thinks hes come up with that are "new and innovative" has been done a VERY long time ago and is nothing overly impressive. It seems he didn't play back then or has a VERY warped memory of the times... Next age sword will run WH banks, keep them very small early age to farm honor up to prince and then launch them and he will claim to be Hodif as well.

[DHaran]

TheRock: "But its Pulse, we can't lose"

WTF that line worked on you too!?

Also if you look at forum posts I have not been making any egotistical comments so I am not sure what you are alluding to, its all water under the bridge for me. Hence I was surprised to see seasoned players from your kingdom behaving in such a fashion. You guys are not newbies and understand that at this level everyone wins and loses. You have all won and lost to each other so acting in a superior fashion is not really representative of the underlying the results.

Wait, so just because you've kept your mouth shut for a few weeks you want us to pretend like all the things you've said for the last several years never happened? Well, I guess it's worked for Mitt Romney....

[John Snowstorm]

lol proteus, claiming to not make egotistical and trash talk comments while doing exactly that, just a post ago you were trying to insinuate that I have no skills and that only flogger knows anything about strategy in our kd, which you also claimed in your 'joke' video.

I never claimed the homes rotation strat to be mine, so I don't really know why you're trying to emphasise that it isn't, even though it came from a discussion me and flogger had about some build rotations I was doing to keep artificially high BE for training time and netting a profit from it.

@evilone lul you think the homes rotation strat we use is from age 15? the building/razing/BE/overpop mechanics aren't even the same.

I know for sure shatterearth doesn't know what he's talking about because his kingdom have failed to pull off the strat twice this age so they don't even know what it is that tehy're claiming to have seen done before.

pro-tip: its got more steps to it than y'all seem to think.

[Evillone]

*Yawn* building rotation strats in general have been around for a very long LONG time and have been done for a multitude of different reasons for a variety of different effects. PS happiness was also effected by draft % and was actually more useful to have high than BE... I Realy don't get it, doesn't winning a couple crowns as a "quasi" independent kingdom make you special enough? To me it doesn't seem you really need to steal other peoples ideas and such and claim them as your own but then again I don't have nearly the same ego as you two.

[LCP]

So any pump that has to do with homes in it is "flogger strat" and if they want a different draft/BE outcome..it is a failed attempt? Very amusing John.

[flogger]

L2Tag noob.

you were free to have a rematch any time later in the age, you even gave notice iirc, before chickening out.

We were fine getting a free wave from you the next age which made you go inactive and then opened up a spot for me as the leadership group needed a leader.

[flogger]

*Yawn* building rotation strats in general have been around for a very long LONG time and have been done for a multitude of different reasons for a variety of different effects. PS happiness was also effected by draft % and was actually more useful to have high than BE... I Realy don't get it, doesn't winning a couple crowns as a "quasi" independent kingdom make you special enough? To me it doesn't seem you really need to steal other peoples ideas and such and claim them as your own but then again I don't have nearly the same ego as you two.

I invented the first major building rotation strat as well (Build costs were entirely too large for anyone else to have done it prior to when we did it, hence I know I was the first), so I guess I get credit for all of them! (Rotating halfling, its the reason we now have raze costs). Can i claim credit for it if before that age there were no raze costs, after that age there were raze costs, and no one else in the top 100 kingdoms did what we did that age? Raze costs are around over 40 ages later!

Its funny when evillone says it happenned "loooong ago, he must not have remembered" I played loooong ago. I crowned twice by age 6 and no one else had crowned twice until like five years later. Alot of these innovations came from me (dual monarchy was also mine) as when I played from ages 5-13, my kingdom reached #1 at some point during the age every age I played but one (we were #2 and set a new province land record the one age I didnt), and no one else on the server could have claimed to do it more than once other than Shadowlight (who did it twice to my five times).

[flogger]

So any pump that has to do with homes in it is "flogger strat" and if they want a different draft/BE outcome..it is a failed attempt? Very amusing John.

Any home pump strategy which involves you coming out at 115% overpop and yet max BE should, I'd think.

ASF: "I had never seen anyone do it to that extreme"

[TheRock]

Correction, he beat TheRock.

Flogger: "I don't think we should fight, they're warrior and we're tact, we're going to lose"
TheRock: "But its Pulse, we can't lose"

Aside from the fact that this is completely untrue, this is a great story.

[TheRock]

and thats why you spent 50 wall of text posts in the forums here claiming that ZZs wave on us in hostile helped us and you would have won otherwise :D

That wave didn't do us any favors, I definitely wasn't happy about that

[TheRock]

No, I spent 50 wall of text posts saying that had you not waved into our hostile with sleepy we would have won. 4 days of constant meteors is a ***** and quite a nice thing to have on your enemy prior to fighting them, wouldn't you say ?

This is basically factual

[TheRock]

We were fine getting a free wave from you the next age which made you go inactive and then opened up a spot for me as the leadership group needed a leader.

We waved Pulse into a sci pump...free wave is a free wave, but I really don't think that's too impressive.

The topfeed wave on Fratzia was impressive (sorry again Hugu) but you were surprised that worked

Mercy's record against Pulse, to my knowledge, is 0-2 in wars with 1 free wave and 1 wave that put Pulse in FW/gained acres.

[TheRock]

So any pump that has to do with homes in it is "flogger strat" and if they want a different draft/BE outcome..it is a failed attempt? Very amusing John.

Stop talking and get back to the math, who let you get away from your calculator?