Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[protector]

If you want to be a warring kingdom, but not want to grow to the size of top 10 you will certainly grow to the top 20-50 range, just by winning wars. I'm pretty sure most of the possible "challengers" of the top 10 who deliberately stay our of reach will be in that range of the charts. So inevitably you will be warring pretty strong kingdoms at some point in the age.

I think it's a bit arrogant to think the top 10 acres and networth are the best kingdoms on the server and to say the ones in the top 20-50 (cats, pewpew, Fs, divinity, "us") are afraid of them. I'm sure Abs, HoH and kingdoms like them are very good, but I challenge them to do it differently one age and to stay "smaller" and go for war wins instead of growing the fastest. See how good they really are. Search for the cats, divinity, fs, pewpew, so you can challenge them, instead of yelling from a tower that you are the best. With all the respect in the world, I think being #1 nw and size isn't easy and therefore deserves appreciation and respect, but you can't blame others for avoiding the top 10. You are feeding yourself to the lions.

So you're badmouthing the top for telling you to grow and instead you tell them to stay small? Wow.
And who is 'us' ?

[American Badass]

Nobody will complain if your army is in a few hours when you're not fighting.
Nobody will complain if you can't be active in a conflict and assign a sitter for the time being.

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...6#post15204486

This is an Idea in another game which I find would improve Utopia. Please give peoples Idea/Feedbacks!

[protector]

And if I remember correctly, Sillurin said can has! but in the end Pulse maxexplorared anyway.

And you stayed small on purpose then I suppose? Iirc you ooped on <500 or even on 415?
As much as you like to stay small, we prefer to stay big and fight Absalom, who are a good competition to fight.

Mind you, no disrespect to any other kingdom. There are several good ones who don't back away from a fight but I'm also aware of the fact there is quite a few self-proclaimed warring kingdoms who will only engage wars they are guaranteed to win.

[protector]

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...6#post15204486

This is an Idea in another game which I find would improve Utopia. Please give peoples Idea/Feedbacks!

This has been suggested a few times before (not in the exact way you display it but pretty similar) iirc but they're not going to implement it as it gives room for abuse.

[American Badass]

If it came with a cap though I don't see how it could be abused? Albeit some kingdoms could abuse it in certain wars trying to have it so all 24 provs are always accesible but then you could also introduce 2/3 Substitutes MAX per kingdom at one time.

[Sheister]

It could be just me, but i find it kinda weak attitude. And even if people stay small, but will be actively playing, then in some time they will personally grow so much that it is not possible for them to not be close to the top. Every people has their inner "growing" time. When people are ready they will make the next step. Its just matter of time and willingness to learn.

By your way of thinking the game would die fast. imo

Oh, I don't dispute that it is a very cynical way of looking at the game. But seriously, after my recent experiences trying to compete in the top, I am simply disgusted by them all.

Yes, we do naturally grow. We always finish between 8 and 15 someplace. By then however the top 5 are SO big that they will never contact us.

[Yadda9To5]

What is this fact based on? I think you're horribly wrong.
The activity spikes when there is a fight going on and that is the same for every other kingdom. Top or midsized or ghetto kingdom, once you're in a fight your activity blooms.

No, you are horribly blind. Below is data from a well known targetfinder that logs the activity sign. Basically blue = prov can be online that tick. Of course sitting is hidden.

Rage: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...ivity/rage.png
Sanct: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut.../sanctuary.png
Xmas part (top war kd): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...as%20party.png
BoB (top war kd): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...tivity/bob.png
ranked 100 kd: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...tivity/100.png
a ghetto: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...e%20ghetto.png

Notice how the lower tier kingdoms just aren't created equal. Besides, like sheister, i've been told more than a few times i'd not be welcome into the top (When i did well in a ghetto, i was asked to join, when i told i slept, i was told told "You're not the kind of player we look for, i think you're better off to stay where you are"). Of course this is anecdotal. But honestly, this pretence that top and activity are unrelated is getting old.

To Palem: Look at it the other way, the game already is top-heavy and you want to create more top. A better way to improve the top is to improve the bottom/get more players that actual play the game. Then lower ranked kds will automatically move up. For the game to succeed, it must be rewarding to casual players as well, and as ages go by, it gets less rewarding each age.

[Persain]

@yadda, how were those graphs generated...i wanna see my kd. because i think those "online" hours are wrong. i think my prov shows online every tick and i dont log in ALOT. I dont even have the full activity for the in game recruitment meter to stay full most of the time.

As the top 10 is basically all NAPed with each other, surely any new comer would just be fed upon by all of them as they are the only viable target? An interesting mechanic/idea top kingdoms could introduce is to remove NAPs with each other and hit each other as if they were a new comer?

Its our first age big, no alliance no nothing....geting naped with every top 10 kd is NOT that hard to do. probably spent 30-40 or so hours doing "diplomacy" this age. of those 30-40 i'd say a good 10 were simply because of Slaves, stupid morbo.

[Elurin]

prot, go read the thread silly. http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...vs-ghetto-cats For one it's obviously trolling by flogger, for another it says to stay as small as possible so don't try to make up another story now. If you truly had wanted to war us, there would've been an answer on my acceptance.

[Robar1980]

So you're badmouthing the top for telling you to grow and instead you tell them to stay small? Wow.
And who is 'us' ?

Am I badmouthing?? Where, if I may ask? I respect the top 10.
And where I'm in doesn't matter, we choose not to tag yet and I choose not to tell.

All I'm saying is that it would be nice to see the top 10 war those kingdoms who are seen by them as afraid, ghetto bashers, etcetera. They won't enter the lions den just because Palem is asking them. It would be suicide. But for Abs to go "underground" for an age and try to find and war the ones I mentioned, now that would be "interesting". And it would be far more interesting than seeing one of the others grow into the top 10 and get hammered because of all the NAPS.

[protector]

No, you are horribly blind. Below is data from a well known targetfinder that logs the activity sign. Basically blue = prov can be online that tick. Of course sitting is hidden.

Rage: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...ivity/rage.png
Sanct: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut.../sanctuary.png
Xmas part (top war kd): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...as%20party.png
BoB (top war kd): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...tivity/bob.png
ranked 100 kd: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...tivity/100.png
a ghetto: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35431962/Ut...e%20ghetto.png

Notice how the lower tier kingdoms just aren't created equal. Besides, like sheister, i've been told more than a few times i'd not be welcome into the top (When i did well in a ghetto, i was asked to join, when i told i slept, i was told told "You're not the kind of player we look for, i think you're better off to stay where you are"). Of course this is anecdotal. But honestly, this pretence that top and activity are unrelated is getting old.

To Palem: Look at it the other way, the game already is top-heavy and you want to create more top. A better way to improve the top is to improve the bottom/get more players that actual play the game. Then lower ranked kds will automatically move up. For the game to succeed, it must be rewarding to casual players as well, and as ages go by, it gets less rewarding each age.

You failed to get my point. When a kingdom engages a conflict, the activity blooms. Regardless if top, mid or bottom, the activity goes up. It's just a natural thing that automatically happens because you have more things to do and probably because it's less boring to be in war as it is to be out of war.

So my point is still the same; no matter how small/big your kingdom is, when you go to hostile/war, the activity of your kingdom spikes compared to your normal day.

And please, name me the kingdoms you've applied to. I can't remember having denied a player because he might not be active in a conflict if he/she would assign a sitter if that were to be the case. I keep hearing top kingdoms dont recruit me because of those reasons and yet the last 3-4 I've played for welcomed the normal active player and used sitter in times of war if needed.

[protector]

prot, go read the thread silly. http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...vs-ghetto-cats For one it's obviously trolling by flogger, for another it says to stay as small as possible so don't try to make up another story now. If you truly had wanted to war us, there would've been an answer on my acceptance.

flogger trolling? Unlikely.

[protector]

Am I badmouthing?? Where, if I may ask? I respect the top 10.
And where I'm in doesn't matter, we choose not to tag yet and I choose not to tell.

All I'm saying is that it would be nice to see the top 10 war those kingdoms who are seen by them as afraid, ghetto bashers, etcetera. They won't enter the lions den just because Palem is asking them. It would be suicide. But for Abs to go "underground" for an age and try to find and war the ones I mentioned, now that would be "interesting". And it would be far more interesting than seeing one of the others grow into the top 10 and get hammered because of all the NAPS.

You're calling the top10 arrogant, I consider that badmouthing even if only a very light form.

[Natsu]

Here's the biggest reason for less 'top' kingdoms and numbers don't lie.

Back around early 2000's you had atleast 100,000 people which gave 4,000 full kingdoms (minimum number of kingdoms possible).
Now there are only 7100 players which gives roughly 284 kingdoms full kingdoms (minimum number of kingdoms possible).
This is a 3,716 kingdom difference between before and now.

My point is if you want more kingdoms to compete at the top then make the game more popular and until then it will stay as it is now.

[gergnub]

activity needed? pfft. just slack around!