RBL vs Bad GFs

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Bad GFs waved into RBL for 3k acres while they had 9 armies out (3 of those were home the same tick as wave.) RBL started a sapphire and Bad GFs an emerald. RBL have button and have not replied yet.

Backstory: Possible war was discussed while both kds were in EOWCF. Nothing was arranged, no cf was discussed. Both kds whored up 8-10k acres and went forti, Bad GF's with the intention of waving OOF. As it happens, RBL were in the best shape for conflict. Drama ensues.

Stand by.

Come idle in #badgfs!

[Elit]

Drama update!
Drixx claimed they are hostile. Bad GFs pmed me in irc and show me SN and asked if here is hostile. This was hard question because RBL was feeding on 2 kds same time from 20 provs. So if they claim hostile need to define 1 from both kds :)
In short just another lame excuse from RBL. Here is no hostile but they called his ally Havoc for help and now Havoc put demands how Bad GFs need to give RBL CF (acres too?) or war Havoc.

Im wonder how many more KDs Havoc plan to piss off?
Drixx, you wanted to war so go war. If you cant war Bad GFs, CF them and move on.

Quote on they day:<Drixx> not even Proteus is as dirty as you guys. <Drixx> you waving us with our armies out is ****play and you know it.

[fawk]

Just to make it clear:
RBL was hitting 2 kingdoms uncontested (for close to 2 days)
RBL was not tagged hostile this entire time. In fact it only tagged when Bad GFs came out of fortified and waved them.
RBL received only 1 incoming hit in the past 24 hours (and some ambushes) from these so called kingdoms they are hostile with.
They are 20 man kingdoms considerably small.

Anyways, RBL willingly waving 2 different kingdoms, safe to assume they don't have hostile with either of them. The fact that they didn't tag hostile until Bad GFs exited fortified and waved them just supports that.

Anyways i think RBLs core is considerably stronger than Bad GFs, and they have fair, if not favorable odds to win the war.

[American Badass]

*yawn*

Guess we make thread now when we wave people all out.

[American Badass]

Just to make it clear:
RBL was hitting 2 kingdoms uncontested (for close to 2 days)
RBL was not tagged hostile this entire time. In fact it only tagged when Bad GFs came out of fortified and waved them.
RBL received only 1 incoming hit in the past 24 hours (and some ambushes) from these so called kingdoms they are hostile with.
They are 20 man kingdoms considerably small.

Anyways, RBL willingly waving 2 different kingdoms, safe to assume they don't have hostile with either of them. The fact that they didn't tag hostile until Bad GFs exited fortified and waved them just supports that.

Anyways i think RBLs core is considerably stronger than Bad GFs, and they have fair, if not favorable odds to win the war.

This post sreams 2 things:

1) You knew we were hitting out for 2 days and waved us anyways and
2) We were "hostile" with unclosed relations vs 2x20 man kingdoms WITHIN war range.

That is all.

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This post sreams 2 things:

1) You knew we were hitting out for 2 days and waved us anyways and
2) We were "hostile" with unclosed relations vs 2x20 man kingdoms WITHIN war range.

That is all.

There have been numerous occasions in the past couple of ages where farming some ghetto hasnt been classed as hostile and the kd complaining about being double (triple) hostiled was deemed to be QQing needlessly.

Idk bout you but id prefer to be waved while i had acres incoming than while i had troops home anyway.

[fawk]

This post sreams 2 things:

1) You knew we were hitting out for 2 days and waved us anyways and
2) We were "hostile" with unclosed relations vs 2x20 man kingdoms WITHIN war range.

That is all.

You had about 4 people with armies out when you were waved, and your entire kingdom online.
With those 4 attackers having incoming land.
You were in good position to insta-declare war and chain if you wanted to.

Also, excuse me if i dont call a 25 man kingdom with 5mil networth, feeding on a 20 man kingdom with 3.5mil networth a legitmate hostile. it seems you didn't even consider it a hostile since you didn't tag, and had no problem hitting them both intermittently.
Since when in hostile do you wave other kingdoms?
Anyways bottom line is that you didn't have hostile with a specific any kingdom, and you were not tagged hostile.
And besides all this "political correctness" as to whether you were hostile or not - you weren't even being attacked by any of them. If you were actually engaged in a hostile fight, tagged or not, vs 1 kingdom or vs 5, you would not have been waved.

[Drixx]

Wait ... Elit bending definitions to suit his purposes? Say it isn't so.

Also, whomever fawk is is a fawking liar. We were hit by both kds we gave buttons to multiple times on both days that a snatch news would reveal.

But Elit is the champion of ****play, so of course he'll be in here making excuses for ****play. Last age he tried to steal the age by ****playing and now he's super butthurt because people stopped him. And so petty that he'll encourage neutral parties to ****play to help him "get back" at the people who policed his dirty play.

[American Badass]

You had about 4 people with armies out when you were waved, and your entire kingdom online.
With those 4 attackers having incoming land.
You were in good position to insta-declare war and chain if you wanted to.

Also, excuse me if i dont call a 25 man kingdom with 5mil networth, feeding on a 20 man kingdom with 3.5mil networth a legitmate hostile. it seems you didn't even consider it a hostile since you didn't tag, and had no problem hitting them both intermittently.
Since when in hostile do you wave other kingdoms?
Anyways bottom line is that you didn't have hostile with a specific any kingdom, and you were not tagged hostile.
And besides all this "political correctness" as to whether you were hostile or not - you weren't even being attacked by any of them. If you were actually engaged in a hostile fight, tagged or not, vs 1 kingdom or vs 5, you would not have been waved.

A SN can see we are open hostile with 2 kds. The fact you are justifying your actions prove to me you know what you have done is scrubby. What will your stance be now if both kds we have open relations with decide to hit us back?

You would have then created a triple hostile.

Whatever. What goes around comes around.

*Edit*

When we hit both of these kds we were well within war range.

[Hawkerz]

I don't normally get caught up in these, but seeing how it's my diplomacy Elit is attempting to misconstrue, I thought I would make some minor corrections.

Drixx claimed they are hostile. Bad GFs pmed me in irc and show me SN and asked if here is hostile. This was hard question because RBL was feeding on 2 kds same time from 20 provs. So if they claim hostile need to define 1 from both kds :)

The game actually has a mechanism for determining whether you are hostile, double hostile, etc. It's called hostile relations. If a double hostile means something besides 2 kds giving hostile relations to a 3rd kd, then I'm not sure we can continue to use this phrase for anything.

In short just another lame excuse from RBL. Here is no hostile but they called his ally Havoc for help and now Havoc put demands how Bad GFs need to give RBL CF (acres too?) or war Havoc.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but CR in no way put any demands on Bad GFs. Upon hearing that they had waved RBL with the intent to war, and learning that RBL was not going to war, I approached Bad GFs to see whether they wanted to arrange a war with us. I figured -- they are a warring kd, they are looking for a war, they are more pumped than we are, the ub/near ub counts are similar, could be a pretty solid fight. I ASKED for a war, and I'm not entirely clear on how you are hoping to vilify that. In my conversation with Bad GFs it was cRs who brought up the CF, not myself, and certainly nobody ever suggested that more acres would be exchanged for its achievement.

<Hawk> I'm hawk
<Hawk> clearly
<Hawk> I want to talk abit about RBL
<Hawk> should I do that with you or would you rather catch up with snp?
<cRs> well, they pointed a drake on us.. war or not? we can CF np... we waved for war not for farming

So it is a war kd, looking for a war, but we are the mean ones for politely inquiring? I can think of much less respectful ways of approaching that situation... do we piss people off only when we're being polite? It seems like people get irrationally angry when we:

• Let them trade acres for CF before we outright wave them (tax);
• Postpone taking acres until a more convenient time for the kd in question (dealbreak);
• Politely encourage a top tier warring kingdom to fight us on relatively even footing (Bullying, demanding acres)...

So what I'm hearing, Elit, is we should just take the acres, irrespective of anything else, and stop thinking about anyone that isn't CR? You have a pretty bizarre idea of what pisses people off, I think. Please, smear CR all you want, I'm glad you have some good hobbies you can focus on. But please base your sound bytes in facts. There is plenty negative to say about everyone without just making **** up.

[Drixx]

You had about 4 people with armies out when you were waved, and your entire kingdom online.

13 armies out, with 7 having returned in the prior hour and being held pending a reply from the main kd we were hostile with. You can put as much propaganda and spin as you want on it but I've got logs of your monarch and steward both admitting that we were hostile and that you just didn't care. The worst part is that we actually offered to war you a week ago and offered to hold our growth and such to make for a fair fight. Apparently what you wanted to do was hide in fort, wait for our armies to be out and then wave because apparently fighting a kd head on fair is too hard or something.

[Maximouse]

GOOOOOOOO hawk :)

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13 armies out, with 7 having returned in the prior hour and being held pending a reply from the main kd we were hostile with. You can put as much propaganda and spin as you want on it but I've got logs of your monarch and steward both admitting that we were hostile and that you just didn't care. The worst part is that we actually offered to war you a week ago and offered to hold our growth and such to make for a fair fight. Apparently what you wanted to do was hide in fort, wait for our armies to be out and then wave because apparently fighting a kd head on fair is too hard or something.

There were 9 armies out, 3 of which returned on the tick we waved. Also you were given our exact plans for post eowcf in a rather clumsy hashup so you knew exactly when we'd be looking for a war, our original intent was to war pyros, but they got themselves a cheap cf, so we forti'd and considered our options. With havoc actually tagged hostile and yourselves being more pumped and clearly farming a ghetto, who pmed us and said it wasnt a legit hostile (see log below) there was no moral dilemma.

"Koala Gladiator (Farmee:kd) said: > > > >
check our news. those guys picked on us and kept hitting and wont accept cf. we made a couple ambushes and one clean whack only. they are not very honourable at all *smiles*"

edit: knowing full well we are a war kd, you could have pmed us as soon as your provs noticed the PF's on ur provs, there would have been a cheap cf for you too. *****ing about it doesnt do anybody any favours.

[Drixx]

I did PF your leaders, Zily, as soon as ops came in. I told them we had no agreed CF yet with the kingdom we were hostile with. I also told them I'd be willing to war them once I'd finalized diplomacy with our current hostile at the time. And I'm sorry but we had 13 armies out at the time you started hitting. I know because we have a bot and I have a timestamped !etalistpm output that shows 13 armies out. Since you were in our kd last age you should know that I don't state things as facts which are not.

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I did PF your leaders, Zily, as soon as ops came in. I told them we had no agreed CF yet with the kingdom we were hostile with. I also told them I'd be willing to war them once I'd finalized diplomacy with our current hostile at the time. And I'm sorry but we had 13 armies out at the time you started hitting. I know because we have a bot and I have a timestamped !etalistpm output that shows 13 armies out. Since you were in our kd last age you should know that I don't state things as facts which are not.

That offers more reasonable evidence to support you weren't in a legit hostile, there were 9 provs that had sent out in the previous 13 ticks, if you don't have rax then you aren't in full war build. Considering the length of the supposed hostile you had all the time in the world to fix up a war build and plenty of gc stocks to insta fund a drake against us lying around which could have easily put you in war build.

Edit: Ill be glad when you 'diplo kings' have grown out of range already, sooner i can sleep the better... This sheet is exactly why i wanted a break from whoring.


edit2: July 7 of YR2 We have proposed a ceasefire offer to RBL Hostile (x).
July 8 of YR2 RBL Hostile (x) has accepted our ceasefire proposal!
July 8 of YR2 RBL Hostile (x) has cancelled their dragon project targetted at us.
July 8 of YR2 Our kingdom has cancelled the dragon project to RBL Hostile (x).

/thread