Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Pillz]

'm sure I've touched on this before but here we go again.

Octo :-
Didn't ask what the problem was before making threats
Threatened to raze into war even when hits had only been on Sheister at that time
Ignored the fact that Sheister had been razing into wars for several weeks
Expected us to ignore any and all threats and transgressions by Sheister upon his inivitation to their kd.

Clearly the actions of a kingdom that holds it's members to a high standard. Not at all one that focuses on the trivial to avoid the fact that they're in the wrong.

And as Korp and Bishop and yourself appear to be the most well reknowned folk on the whole server you above all should have initiated contact to discover the issue before making threats. If reknown is indeed an indicator of expected behaviour as you suggest above.

1) I don't think we should have to ask politely for your reason for double hostiling us. The first move was yours and you chose poorly.
2) Why wouldn't we threaten that? It is the simplest way for us to retaliate against you. Sometimes you step on a hornets nest. It happens. Make the best of it next time.
3) We don't care. He hadn't razed you from our kingdom.
4) We don't care. He hadn't razed you from our kingdom.

We have no standard here. We just do not care. You messed with us, we will mess with you. It is really simple. Like I said, the first move was yours and you chose poorly. You should be thankful it was Korp who was monarch and not me, or we'd have split into 3 kingdoms by now.

We may or may not be renown for different reasons. But we aren't riding on our renown or our past achievements here. We haven't claimed to be famous or important. That is all you, buddy. We've just had a laugh at your boasting and so-called reputation because you've no reason to boast and have no reputation. And wow, your claim to 'know' our monarch (Korp) by being in contact with Octo (not in KD). Just ****ing golden. Apparently we are so renown you don't know us? I guess it's mutual. And I don't care.

And lets not even begin to address the fact that you constantly misrepresent Korp and Octo's statements in a feeble attempt to gain leverage through rhetoric. We know exactly what Octo said to you and the words 'not that impressed' weren't in the transcript - but thats what you claimed he said. Just like you are unable to follow conversations on IRC without getting confused or recognize that 'conflict' and 'hostile' are essentially interchangeable and interfering in either qualifies for what ghettos term '**** play and bullying'.

You want to spend 6 weeks razing us, be my guest. But I've played a lot of ages with nothing to do and if this isn't resolved by EoA I won't be lacking motivation next age, let me tell you.

But Korp+Steel+company have been willing to play in one of the worst kingdoms in the game for over a year now.

Hmm. I've played here for like the last 12 ages on and off. Most of us are rotational.

[sexual harassment panda]

Octo :-
Didn't ask what the problem was before making threats
Threatened to raze into war even when hits had only been on Sheister at that time
Ignored the fact that Sheister had been razing into wars for several weeks
Expected us to ignore any and all threats and transgressions by Sheister upon his inivitation to their kd.

I don't see in what universe the onus is on them to be civil when you just start razing into an active conflict. Is it really that hard to grab a SN then tell them what the deal is before you do anything?

I mean how would you like it if during this debacle you got yourselves into all of a sudden out of the blue a bunch of kingdoms 3x your size just started razing you with no reaching out to sort things diplomatically first? Judging by a lot of the responses in this thread I'd imagine you'd be the first to be complaining that these bigger kingdoms are ruining the game.

Hmm. I've played here for like the last 12 ages on and off. Most of us are rotational.

My point exactly. An unstoppable force meets an immovable object of stubbornness. This will probably go down as the most influential 0 scientist learn in history.

[Krynn]

I'll be the first to criticize DD for a lot of their problems.

But that doesn't make the RoO kingdom any less childish.
And while I'm happy to champion the right to play like this in a diplomatic game, there is a clear problem with elitism in this game...which this "acres for octobrev" **** puts a clear spotlight on...and this forum makes it even more obvious. This game has an "upper class" (regardless of kingdom size) of people that all know each other and regularly use that against anybody that dares stand up against them. If you aren't a part of that elite, then you get comments like "sheister had a similar experience with some ghetto nobody has ever heard of before."
I get that there is an ego issue with them, but DD has a lot of players that are either fairly new - or don't land in the autism spectrum like most of the rest of us likely do, and still have a lot to learn about the game. Play like this is detrimental to the advancement of the game, and only discourages people from playing. Which is why it sickens me that Bishop and his kingdom plays like this. If anything, they should be promoting a style of play that makes people want to *join* the game, not quit.
But this is just another nail in the coffin, proving that Bishop has no interest in keeping this game alive. The numbers will continue to dwindle until there is nothing left.

Yes, there are two sides to every story. And no doubt both sides are coloring the story to benefit themselves. And just like every other conflict, the truth likely lands somewhere in the grey zone...but from what I can see Sheister is clearly the instigator, dragging this on much longer than it needs to be...because he feels empowered by his "Lol if I get RK'd I can just restart and continue to harass them and let them RK me over and over" attitude...knowing full well that there won't be many others interested in joining the party, since they have their own interests to guard. And that's just a ****ty, trollish way to go about things that says a lot about who you are as a person.

Indeed, this has gone on too long. and as a Game representative Bishop should have put this crap down long ago. It does the game any good and only lowers the moral of those new players we try to cultivate into the game. No wonder M****a grows as Utopia dwindles away.

[Crunch]

The time has come to publicize the Republic of Octobrev's double hostile.

Some weeks ago Korp retal'd a hit by Strippers. Some of you may recall Strippers from the 50's, a loud mouthed warring ghetto that received frequent deletions. For anybody interested, they still receive deletions but it seems as though their glory days are long since past.

Anyways, Strippers retal'd Korp's retal and one thing led to another and we ended up in a multi-week "conflict". At about twice our size, their monarch was pretty confident that they would sort this out in no time and put us in our place. Well here we are a couple of weeks later and their monarch has abandoned along with one other province, two provinces have defected, we managed to peasant kill one, and another deleted.



Cue sheister.

sheister had a similar experience with some ghetto nobody has ever heard of before. They did a 0 scientist abduct and he responded with a trad. They didn't think this was appropriate and retal'd him, which he followed up with a retal of his own. Long story short, he informed them that he would be razing into future wars. And he did. Each time they would CF the kingdom he was in, and each time he would defect and pick up where he left off or wait for their next war. Unable to grasp the finer points of diplomacy, this ghetto decided to chase him rather than work out a reasonable CF deal. So three wars later and several thousand acres razed, sheister was invited into the Republic of Octobrev to help **** with Strippers.

It is at this point that the self-proclaimed famous ghetto he had been quarrelling with decided they would continue to raze him despite having an agreement with his previous monarch. And they opted to do this into our very long, very active hostile. It is at this juncture that I will begin using the words "hostile" and "conflict" interchangeably, because there is no difference, but the ghetto in question seems to have a hard time wrapping their head around that.

We obviously did not take very kindly to this interference in our conflict with Strippers - sheister was now an honoured member of the Republic of Octobrev and thus his problem, this unwarranted razing, became our problem. Korp took the time to inform said ghetto of this and reiterated that just like sheister, we would raze into their future wars as retribution should they not desist. They opted instead to begin razing Korp, and then Bishop, while continuing to claim in #tactics that they were targeting only one province.

And now I will present you all with some of the more memorable quotes to come out of our correspondence with them:




At this stage both kingdoms are coordinating attacks so I'd like to congratulate them on that impressive achievement, particularly Strippers since they are absolutely incompetent.
As it stands both kingdoms are now locked in an unwinnable struggle to raze us until we leave them alone and neither is willing to negotiate.

In the spirit of the #acres4octo campaign that this kingdom began in age 58?, our condition for ceasefire and allowing them to continue their age unabated is 5k acres to Octo. Alternatively the deletion of Abi's province is also acceptable.

If You Harbor Terrorists, You Are a Terrorist.. there will be no negotiation with terrorists....

[Krynn]

your an asshat that has brought conflict where ever you land. and again it should have been Bishop ( as a representative of the "Game" ) to quash this kind of thing quick and decisively.

Yeah, the more I read about this the more I lean towards Sheister being an infant troll.

Yes, Korp, they razed into your kingdom. Because they were being threatened all age (regardless of how it started) and having their wars effed with all age by the person you took in. All sides agree that they started with only hitting Sheister. You can't invite somebody who is in the middle of an age-long conflict with an entire kingdom and just expect that kingdom to say "Oh he's in a new kingdom now, guess I'll leave him alone" when he has been bouncing around all age, razing them regardless of position. Why should they suddenly stop just because he went to you (Which was clearly just a method of avoiding the CF offered with his prior monarch).

You [Korp] are proving just as childish as him, and perhaps more stupid. When I joined this thread I was fairly neutral - but the more I read your garbage the more I realize you are the biggest child with the biggest desire to flash your e-peen in the whole thread. It's hard to argue with you, because your logic is perhaps on par with my 2 year old who kicks and screams when I don't allow him to drink the laundry detergent. You invited Sheister knowing full well the **** that could come with it, so you don't get to sit here and act innocent.

There shouldn't need to be terms. Just step off your dick measuring contest and either offer or accept a CF. No terms. Just accept that neither side is going to agree and take it. I know for a fact that one side (The side you claim is more childish) will accept a CF proposal just to end the conflict - but you seem dead set on continuing your trollish fight.

hear, here

5k acres!

We're being entirely selfless. We were wrong by DD when they attacked one of our provinces into our active hostile. They can settle for a ruined age, or they can return the acres that already belong to octo.

you were not wronged. you took on the baggage he brought with him. Instead of calling an end to it, you fed his childish tantrum.

I don't think you understand your predicament right now. Where is the option to give octo acres

that is not an option. come back with some thing acceptable

I'm not involved in this, I'm neutral too.

Griefers are gonna grief, that's how they get their rocks off.

If Bishop himself has such limited vision that he can't see that a decent reasonable kd like DD could be completely destroyed by a bunch of d*** heads, including him, waving their feeble tiny schlongs around and getting their rocks off because they're a bunch of 'top playas', and that this would be very bad for the game, there is no hope for the future of this game. None at all.

So say if DD disbanded and all the players quit playing, because they give a &hit, that would be a great outcome for you guys? You can sit in a circle admiring yourselves about how you 'stuck it to The Man?' Boasting about how you disbanded a mid range warring kd that's been around for a while 'just to show them' and then congratulate yourselves on 'how well you play Uto' and 'we taught those nubs good', 'yeah those nubs, they all ragequit and left the game because they don't understand the mechanics as well as us HA HA HA'?

You really think that would be a good outcome for the game itself? Do you care about this game, or only about your massive egos, tiny schlongs and your little baby friends?

For crying out loud.

Bishop should be more than ashamed of himself for being part of this behaviour. He should be part of the solutions for Uto, not part of the problem.

Don't bother spewing your poison at me in response Korp as I shall ignore your posts, I used to think you were an unpleasant poster but I respected your abilities and I thought you loved this game, now I realise my mistake, you guys are just a bunch of hungry ghosts.

very well said

If DD can't walk the walk they shouldn't try to talk the talk. Simple as that. Bishop isn't going to bend over and get ****ed by every ghetto with a chip on their shoulder, and he wouldn't encourage anybody else to do so either. Negotiations have broken down and we're in a double hostile. It is what it is. There is no reason for us to take a CF at this moment. If DD is **** enough to disband over this it is better for the game. Survival of the fittest.

been here since age 25, we are going no where.... fast heehee

I direct you to the flogger quote in sheister's signature. Utopia is dead. A big reason is because of unmotivated ****holes like Strippers, and another big reason is know-nothing ghettos like DD thinking they are hot **** and bullying people like they are trying now.

As for Bishop, I can't speak to how he wants this to be resolved. But the only resolution I see personally is DD disbanding. They're obviously too stubborn to move on.

been around since age 25 we are going no where fast. ;) been through worse than this. We will be here long after your gone. Wont be buying any credits for quite some time now though.

[Takao]

If I resume the logic behind this whole discussion, according to the so called leets from the past ghetto :

1. it's ok to oow raze another kd 2 wars in a row, but it's not ok to raze into a kd in hostile with another one (and not close to war them cuz of NW difference). The second option cost 5k acres, the first option is legit and cost nothing.
2. DD aren't age after age top tier kd, so they need to bend over anytime they random hit somewhere.

DD wants to move on since the start of the story, but with Sheister continuous oow hitting, for a freaking failed abduct, seems like logic is broken somewhere...

Edit : It's my first post in THIS game, so I must be far from leets. So I should bend over and give away 5k acres right?

[MyNameIsMatija]

Top KDs simply avoid these kind of situations the best they can, they know what's good for them and what's really bad for them.

When someone like Korp hits you you have two choices:
1) Bend over and hope he goes away (he usually does)
2) Make it your goal to raze him for the rest of the age and have no other goals

[Takao]

Don't worry, I understand what kind of players they are. I'm playing similar games for more than 15 years and Utopia for 2 years now.

I've seen a lot of conflicts in my text based war game life, but it's the first time I've experienced such a bad behavior from a province, w/o any actions from the admin.

Oh! I forgot the facts that the admin actually play the game (fail #1) and that his kingdom invited Sheister (fail #2).

[makeo]

You miss an obvious point Takao. That Utopia is as much a social experiment as it is a war game or strategy game. :)

Why would Bishop action a province that isn't cheating but is exploring the game?

Genuinely?

It may piss you off or grief you; but that is part of the core of utopia.

That if you piss someone off and he doesn't like you then he and his mates can make your age a failure.

Where it is different to real life is that in game harassment is part of it. :)

They can just smack you around and you can't find a safe space. :)

[MyNameIsMatija]

He's not breaking any game rules. You can't call upon admin action here. I'd improve my diplomacy first and foremost. You should have known what you were getting yourself into the moment you started razing people. You picked option number two and I don't actually know what you are crying about right now. You are playing their game and as such you have already lost the moment you made that decision. If you want to move on to other things with you kingdom swallow some of that pride and see how that goes, I'll be the first one to defend you if they don't budge after that.

[makeo]

Utopia can be brutal , and it doesn't have the safeguards normal life has.

There is nothing stopping Steel/Korp hitting into your wars as long as they feel they want to or you can stop them somehow. :)

There isn't a uto police except that which we create basically.☺

You can't call 911-Bishop.

= )

[Takao]

From the game rules :

Fair & Honorable Play
The operators of the game aim to maintain the highest standards of ethics within the game. Any instance of inappropriate language, manipulation of bugs, or acts of deception/fraud can result in immediate removal from the game. We rely on our users to help us enforce these rules and provide an enjoyable gaming environment for users of all ages and backgrounds.

Can you help me to understand fair, honorable and ethics? It seems like I should have been a douche all my life.

[Takao]

I'll add that I'm a DD since I joined Uto 2 years ago. Even if they weren't a top kd (and I don't care anymore about leets kd, I won my share of ages in the past in similar games + I have real life going on), I love the way they played and the ethics behind it. I wasn't found on the situation with Sheister, and to tbh, I foresee what is happening now. But I don't have enough time to be monarch or stewart and deal with such issue and I'm glad we have Abi to deal with that.

One of us adbucted Sheister and got 0 scientist. He goes crazy about it with excessive terms to avoid us with the consequences of being oow razed. We refused his terms since he wasn't monarch/stewart and the terms were a toatal abuse. He razed us over 80x in the last 2 wars we did. If it's good ethics, maybe we should all change our way to play.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Maybe we should all be deleted by Bishop. The victim card will not work on me. I've told you what it would take for me to join your side in this forum war but you keep dismissing your part of the blame like it doesn't even exist, you are not even discussing it. I can completely understand if my services as a forum warrior are not needed or asked for here - I'll promptly leave you to it on your own and show myself out. Was fun regardless :D

[Kestrel038]

Having played in the Korp kd before I can say that making this about Bishop is really unfair to the guy. He logs in to his province twice a week if they're lucky. And if anything he's more likely to action people who have done something wrong in his own kingdom than in other kingdoms.

Im not making this about anybody panda Bishop was the one sat in #tactics with Steel making a huge song and dance about it all and shouting about how our age was over and we messed with the wrong kingdom.

Until that point nobody even knew he was over there.. so please establish the correct facts before accusing us of making it about anyone.