The Left's Collapse

[Rockie Cantais]

That's my point.... They were a rightist monarchy prior to the Bolshevik Revolution. The Bolsheviks were adherents to radical socialism aka Communism. Involving Communism in an argument is akin to calling someone Hitler. It doesn't make any sense 1/2 the time and its impolite discourse.

That I can agree with and have made that point, if not here then at other places.

Especially in arguments about the American Left which is pretty centrist, and even the "Socialists" of which the most "radical" wing in America is usually the Democratic Socialists which believe the only Gov't run businesses should be Education, Health Care, and some housing, (which, whether they know it or not, the vast majority of Americans agree with.) Democratic Socialism doesn't lead to Communism.

I'll agree with some what on this one, I just think the Dem's are going hard left. No way is the Democrats Centrist maybe in the past but not now. Democratic Socialism can lead to Extreme Big Government then! Its more Government that most of us want.

So... Communism shouldn't be in a talk about the left unless your talking about 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Wrong! Communism is Big Government just like Socialism. I understand there is a difference but they are both far left.

Also, if you can't read Marx without gagging, then you really don't have any basis to judge Communism do you? Thats like me arguing about Anabaptism because I read 2 paragraphs of a summary by a Catholic priest. Marx is very relevant even today, even if Communism is a crock. Communism is essentially an overreaction to unfettered industrial capitalism.

All of the greatest conservative minds in America have read at LEAST the Manifesto if not Das Kapital, (ex. Ronald Reagan.)

Not a Catholic I was raised with evangelistic values but I understand your point. I'll get around to Marx.

I don't want the Gov't telling me what to do. A safety net isn't telling us what to do. Google "The Blind Veil" as to why safety nets are the only just form of government.

But anyways... Republicans don't believe in limited Gov't really either. They are Stateists. Thats why "Cars should have seatbelts so people don't die" was fought by republicans because it would make the STATE less healthy because the profits of car companies would take a small dip. Whereas the American Left is INDIVIDUALIST, as in "Even if it costs more for the large companies making the cars, the people driving them, of whom the Gov't is deigned to protect, have a much larger likelihood to survive."

Can't argue the point on the Republicans, why I support the Tea Party and like the Libertarians. The Rep. Party is under reconstruction at this time. I think you need to take another look at the left being individualist! Libertarians yes! Dem's, NO.

Especially in arguments about the American Left which is pretty centrist, and even the "Socialists" of which the most "radical" wing in America is usually the Democratic Socialists which believe the only Gov't run businesses should be Education, Health Care, and some housing, (which, whether they know it or not, the vast majority of Americans agree with.) Democratic Socialism doesn't lead to Communism.

I'll agree with some what on this one, I just think the Dem's are going hard left. No way is the Democrats Centrist maybe in the past but not now. Democratic Socialism can lead to Extreme Big Government then! Its more Government that most of us want.

So... Communism shouldn't be in a talk about the left unless your talking about 2nd and 3rd world countries.

Wrong! Communism is Big Government just like Socialism. I understand there is a difference but they are both far left.

However, when it comes to what INDIVIDUALS want to do, the American Right wants us to: be forced to listen to a specific christian theology, (Kansas School Boards), be forced to go through agony, public ridicule, and financial woe, against the will of the mother, (abortion), up until about 9 years ago they instituted laws about HOW you can have sex, (both gay and straight.. In Florida it was illegal to get Blowjobs or anal, though the most famous case of course is Lawrence vs. Texas), They shut down the Gov't to tell a man he didn't have the right to pull the plug on his wife after 20 years as a vegetable in which time he had gotten a nursing degree specifically to take care of her, (Terri Schaivo)

Your Ranting!

So anyways like my first post said Left vs. Right doesn't really equal small vs. big. Its Individual vs. Social Fabric. Which is more important? Man's dignity? or State's status in the world?

You need to look at the original concept of left and right.