Quote Originally Posted by goodz View Post
Havoc was a lot more pumped then AMA and had a lot bigger stocks and may have won without the stealing but not likely, it would have been a hard war for ama, harder then the sanctuary war. Take into account main reason sanctuary lost was because of bug in game, so its not like AMA had some legendary farmout of sanctuary. (sanctuary had to kill 7 dragons in a row in hostile)

Elit had millions of gc on 0 tpa?
Elit had leaked our intel when we did same?
Elit had been noticed and should probably have just accepted that he lost some gc due to running 0 tpa rather then hitting a much smaller kd for stealing from him.
Elit waved a KD (sanctuary who was not even in declare range and had just lost a war to him due to bug)
I offered to restart notice from end of hits on AMA/Sanc and to increase it to 72h. I advised him I could not give much longer since he was exploring up calves well claiming hostile with sanctuary. He said the only deal he would except was a 2 week cf and 15k acres from sanctuary. Would have left his KD about 40% larger then mine. I told him no but if he had more realistic request to come back, he never returned to the diplo table.

Elit was ridiculous in diplo. He also hit into havocs hostile earlier in age, and arranged for a a solo province to suicide on us and farm out to him. Havoc requested sanctuary stop hits on them and I requested that proteus stay out of the conflict as he wanted to join / if we lost was going to just NAP break them.

I still think I played the situation as reasonably as I could, although I am not an entirely reasonable person :). The gold stealing was a moderate powerplay, everything else that happened elit brought on himself :)
Dude you were talking scared the whole time begging for advice how not to farm out bc you had no clue what you were doing. Given how many acres ama farmed without damage they would have crushed you. Ama already had kds like pewpew, fake rbl, evil dragons, etc try to vulture them and all ended up farming out to them. You also were going to notice no matter what (same what pewpew did here). Please stop trying to spin when entire logs are available, I'll just post them all over again.