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basically saying that he'll lie to force other kds to follow some standard that he created and changed they way we all play utopia? yea, sure thats kinda 1 part of the issue, he'll do/say anything if it makes him look good.

Then they keep geting GB'ed. Spartans havent lost anything till they get a war loss or lose 20-30-40k honor. Acres mean nothing ww/honor have meaning to bart so they gota lose that. They had a chance to not lose either and war us w/a chance to win and take our honor but they long gave that up.

Well I dont see why we should admit this was a DB when most of my kd, either in sparta or other older kds, have suffered the same kind of **** play and been told it was just bad diplo. If there was a standard diplo rule that applied to all, and that rule said what we did was a DB then sure. I'd give a lot to see that happen because then I could monarch a kd again, which I greatly enjoy, with out suffering from the massive diplo disparity that makes this game such a drag.

i offered to have u guys surrender your current war and raze away a portion of your honor.

As for losing a war... You wouldn't want Bart to agree to take a loss and WD as part of some diplomatic deal now would you? feels like we have come full circle now.