Quote Originally Posted by Persain View Post
basically saying that he'll lie to force other kds to follow some standard that he created and changed they way we all play utopia? yea, sure thats kinda 1 part of the issue, he'll do/say anything if it makes him look good.

Then they keep geting GB'ed. Spartans havent lost anything till they get a war loss or lose 20-30-40k honor. Acres mean nothing ww/honor have meaning to bart so they gota lose that. They had a chance to not lose either and war us w/a chance to win and take our honor but they long gave that up.
Well I dont see why we should admit this was a DB when most of my kd, either in sparta or other older kds, have suffered the same kind of **** play and been told it was just bad diplo. If there was a standard diplo rule that applied to all, and that rule said what we did was a DB then sure. I'd give a lot to see that happen because then I could monarch a kd again, which I greatly enjoy, with out suffering from the massive diplo disparity that makes this game such a drag.

Quote Originally Posted by Persain View Post
i offered to have u guys surrender your current war and raze away a portion of your honor.
As for losing a war... You wouldn't want Bart to agree to take a loss and WD as part of some diplomatic deal now would you? feels like we have come full circle now.