Quote Originally Posted by Shai View Post
If you took an sn you can also see we couldn't even hit for the first 2-3h of war. We did train 2 tpa on the whole KD for oop and released 500 def specs and trained 800-1300 elites first hour in prosperous stance oop with gc we stocked and stole plus soldiers we saved up.

Then we got hit and got the war offer.

After 2-3h of war we nsed their all soldier and no thieves inactives provs and hit them on land def. After 5-6h we got offense to hit their suicide attackers on 4K def. Hardly very impressive first day of war but better than nothing.

I'm sure admins will look into it and make the right decision. And as I said in my previous post; Can't blame people for thinking it looks suspicious cause it does. But if you know me and Coss you know we would never set up a farm war.

Still haters gonna hate and trolls gonna troll but everyone I have talked to so far understand the situation and don't think we did anything wrong and that's enough for me. As long as my friends believe us I'm good
We already know from the MEGA experience that Shai has a shady (recent at least) past involving farm wars.

Now we're told that Shai's kingdom (Sleepy, also containing Coss) came OOP with zero offence and a button was offered immediately by a kingdom whose monarch was Bart. For those of you who do not recall, Bart has previously assisted Coss during the wSk v. CR b2b war incident when Spartans DB'd CR to 'police' them for hitting into wSk's dodge war.

Evidently the kingdom that gave Sleepy the button was so utterly unprepared and untrained that Sleepy, despite entering war with no offensive units to speak of, was able to turn the war around (re: the quote above), given that they were apparently unmolested by their opponents. As it stands a SN should show proximately 9 hits to 146 in war (these numbers are a few hours old now).

As I see it, there are two possibilities for how and why this situation materialized:

1) Bart, seeking to sabotage a top KD, offered the button to the nearest 25 province kingdom he could find.
This was done under the assumption that the ghetto would be helpless and that the war could be viewed by the admins as a fake war and actioned, resulting in what many might consider unjust actioning of Sleepy (Removal of their inevitable WW, acres gained, and removed from charts at EoA)

2) Shai and Coss approached Bart to arrange a baited farm war, believing that Bart's reputation and history would immediately cast all suspicion and blame on Bart (re: possibility 1), resulting in a one-sided actioning of only Bart/the ghetto in question, while Sleepy would merely be pulled from war prematurely in the same way that PewPew v. SWEA was actioned (where PewPew got all the punishments associated with FW but SWEA was either left in EoWCF or thrown into Normal I can't recall). Shai was in SWEA that age and so had first hand knowledge and experience seeing only one side of a FW actioned.

To assume that only 1) is possible is to ignore possible motives of a top KD thats found themselves in an incredibly advantageous position OOP thats led by two people with histories of questionable play and cooperation with Bart. It also sends the message that any kingdom is free to have FWs as long as they are strictly one-sided farm wars (As PewPew v. SWEA and the 7:6 war are), because only the kingdom not taking offensive actions is a guilty party (which seems incredibly backwards to me, like claiming somebody who gives out answers before a test is guilty of cheating but the ones using the answers are not). In essence, the only criteria now for 'fake war' is when both KDs agree not to inflict damage on each other or certain provinces, but it is not possible to declare one-sided farming to be a 'fake war', since no mutual agreement is in place (only presumably a one-sided initiative).

I get that there is a distinction to be made between 'fake wars' and being baited an easy farm war, but the admins have expressed before that baiting wars is against the rules. To let this go without punishment would mean that any KD can have their unprepared or disinterested friendly KDs give buttons and then hold hits for the duration of war 'because they can't fight back', and in all honesty I can't see the difference between wars like that an Fake Wars (although to be fair, originally fake wars didn't usually involve farm outs). And of course, any KD under admin scrutiny can just cry foul and accuse their opponents of trying to get them actioned. Best to delete both parties in these situations (both the hypotheticals Ive put forwards and situations like PewPew v. SWEA and 7:6)

By virtue of the fact that they apparently are aware of the fact they were intentionally baited a farm war but continue to hit, Sleepy is taking advantage of a situation that is clearly against the rules in the first place and have worked to obtain the maximum benefits possible from the situation, and is as such guilty of cheating.

Its only fair to the other kingdoms that weren't given the opportunity to be baited a war farm war OOP that the administrators action Sleepy fully, under the assumption from observing their actions that they are abusing the situation.