WTF Mickster

[vines]

Not once have I have I said tpa affect tws. And yet he's this guy keeps telling me tpa doesn't effect tws. Okay . . . so what--what's your point?
I said less tpa makes tws less effective, in other words, if one less tpa the tws becomes less of a factor. If one more tpa watch towers become more of a factor. So it best to use tws with thief dens.
Dude get this through your never did I say tpa affects tws. I said depending on the tpa the wts more effective. If you have 0 tpa the tws will not being very effective. The enemy will just keep oping you. If you have some tpa now the enemy will have to worry. Because combind with some tpa wts can do damage to the enemy spies and stop them in there tracks. Without tpa watchtower will not stop anyone.

[mrsyer]

ya your right vines... obviously tpa helps defends against enemy thieves.. and complementing that with wt's is even better for defending against thieves.. no body is arguing that..

[vines]

That was the point I made in the first place when I gave the advice of going with half dens and half tws. Then some dude comes along saying I'm telling people tpa affect tws. Putting words in my damn mouth.

[Mickster]

If y'all can't play nice, then don't play at all.

is this it?

No, it was this one:

"I actually deleted about a dozen and a half posts that were insults, rants and raves against other posters.

Since the thread became nothing more than a pissing contest, I closed it so people could stop, take breath, and quit sniping at each other. "

[DHaran]

This is exactly the problem vines, the way you word things mean something entirely different. TPA does not make WTs less effective, the bonuses remain the same regardless of tpa, if defending your tpa is just another factor in the equation. Effectiveness is a widely used term in this game, if you say a building is less effective, and you aren't talking about the actual building effectiveness, then you are feeding false information. You are too thick-headed to understand what I am trying to tell you.

As for putting word in your mouth? Fine I will quote you and disassemble your thoughts one by one:

"Not once have I have I said tpa affect tws. And yet he's this guy keeps telling me tpa doesn't effect tws. Okay . . . so what--what's your point?"

followed by...

"Dude get this through your never did I say tpa affects tws. I said depending on the tpa the wts more effective."

LOL purely contradictory statements!


Ok here you go, notice the portions where vines says -30% thievery effectiveness (which affects tpa) makes WTs less effective. Here are just a FEW of his statements that are wrong on this matter.

All of the following are directly quoted:

"-30% thievery effectiveness means the dwarf is 30% less likely to be successful in committing a crime and 30% less likely to caught an enemy thieves."

FALSE - It only mods the tpa by -30%, the overall tpa vs tpa and other factors such as WTs/CS determine fails and catches.

"What this means is thieve Dens are 30% less effective and watch towers are 30% less effective."

FALSE - The effectiveness of the building is not affected by the Dwarf racial penalty, in fact they are more effective because of the dwarf racial BE bonus. Ex on WT: Running the same mod tpa, a dwarf's WT will work better than any other race from BE bonus.

"Thievery effectiveness affects the amount of thieves one loses in failed attempts."

FALSE - TPA has nothing to do with losses, losses are based on the amount of thieves you sent on an op, and is modified by TD thief loss bonus.

"Less tpa means higher loses on failed attempts."

FALSE - See above.

"Also you shouldn't believe the hype about me not know what I'm doing. I'm the real deal."

Just plain FALSE.

[vines]

DHaran I never said tpa makes tws' bonus stronger or weaker that would mean tpa affects tws but that is not the case. I said the less tpa you have the less effective your tws will be. I really do not think you understand what I am saying. That's a damn shame.

DHaran you keep bring up new issues. The more thieves one sends the more one will naturally lose. However the higher tpa one has rises the likely hood of losing less thieves in failed attempts. If you do not believe this can be check out on the utopia guide.

However, the opponent's tpa also has a factor in determining the amount of thieves one loses. This part is left out of the guide.

[DHaran]

STOP USING THE WORD EFFECTIVE!! It has a very specific meaning in Utopia, and you cannot say low tpa makes WTs less effective, because that is NOT true!

Say something like "if you have low tpa, even with WTs you can still be opped" but for god's sake, STOP USING THE WORD EFFECTIVE! Your constant misuse of Utopian terminology is what confused people who need REAL help.

You need a full time translator to turn your comments from useless piles of crap, into a meaningful post that might actually be almost right. But I don't think there is a person on the planet who can successfully make anything you say make ANY sense.

FFS

[Sully]

false...
WT are 100% independent of tpa....WT accomplish 2 things
Lower resources lost
provide a chance to catch a thief

meaning no matter the race i can play with 0 tpa and 20% WT and produce the same chance to catch a thief..

If what you mean is a low tpa when combined with WT means that you are more vunerable than a province with a high tpa and WT that you are correct

but as the racial bonus does not effect WT's you should not use dwarves as an example...because the same would hold true to any race

[DHaran]

AND ITS A WT - WATCH TOWER - NOT A FRIGGIN TW (which is town watch)

jesus....

[Mystarria]

I said the less tpa you have the less effective your tws will be.

Vines, you may know what youre saying but how youre saying it is grossly incorrect. The lower your tpa has no relation to EFFECTIVENESS. Stop using the word EFFECTIVE in the wrong context. The thieves merely act as an intial line of defence. You have a mod tpa of 5 and someone with a mod tpa of 2 is highly unlikely to succeed in off ops. Throw in watchtowers and those with tpas near, equal, or higher than yours will be less likely to succeed than if you were reliant on your tpa alone, as your watchtowers may pick them up. The are totally unrelated factors on the success rates on enemy ops.

[I_WANT_VINES_BANNED]

Long time forum reader, very experienced player. I play for a consistent Top 5-20 Honor KD on WOL.
As you can already tell I dislike vines. I dislike him to the point were I created a forum account in order to help with the crusade against him. Mods need to truly make an exception in vines case and just block his rubbish posts from the forum. These forums are here to discuss strategy both amongst experienced players and noobs. And all vines does is forge stats...blatantly lie...and most of all his IQ rivals that of his age.

[DHaran]

I just want everyone to be clear the above poster is NOT me. lol I can already see the accusations that I created an alter ego coming.

That being said, thanks for the support haha!

[I_WANT_VINES_BANNED]

I AM DHARAN!!
just kidding....

[vines]

I talk about strategy. If one asks about libraries and if they should use them. I will tell that person the benefits libraries give work much like the way the science system works. At 5bpa the benefits libraries will give will be doubled at 20bpa, and the benefits libraries give will be double once again at 80bpa, and so on. The is gives the player asking the question insight to how libraries work with the science one may have. And with this people make the choice for themselves as to where or not libraries will help their game plan.

You guys want me to exact numbers. That can not be done. I can't use these buidlings at with in week1-week2 after week 2 you can use libraries because you will have 200bpa. What you guys want is for me to tell you my strategy hour by hour, day by day, month by month, year by year.

My strategy changes depending on the opponent I am facing. If the opponent has 10rawtpa and +20modtpa and modwpa like ways. I find a way to protect myself from that. If the opponent has almost no tpa or wpa I carry little to no tpa/wpa. I'm not saying one will have +20modtpa/wpa but if happen my strategy would change in order to protect from that.

If I see an opponent Msing all are attackers. I put most of my buildings in to guilds and continues to take land.
If a opponent has a faster army which they almost always do I just have a bigger and stronger army.
The opponent will alway throw something new at you or something you didn't figure on, in the attempt to win. It is your job to adjust. The ruler/kingdom better at adjusting wins

Most of you guys play this game as if their is a set way to win. That is not the case.

Oh also I put example for the example for the ones ODing on the hater-aid.

[waheed]

i have to say something about this

guys honestly i think the vines thing is gone over the line. i've seen some of the stuff vines posted and there are pretty funny and stuff, but the bullying is just a bit too much. whether the things vines say are retarded or not, he never tried to insult anyone. there is no "skill limit" to post in this forum, and vines has just as much right to post here as anybody else.

so for mehul's sakes, quit acting like 12 year old bullies, leave vines alone and let him post whatever he wants. let the thread starters judge whether they want to listen to his advice or not