America likes to assassinate leaders and plot coups in other countries.
England does it with class and nobility =P
America likes to assassinate leaders and plot coups in other countries.
England does it with class and nobility =P
England uses class and nobility to beat down the common person and rob them of their rights. America beats down the common person too; but America lets them have rights.
and we've failed every time we've ever tried to assassinate a leader of another country. example: Fidel CastroOriginally Posted by alan12
England has always been one of the leading countries in giving rights since the Magna Carta was signed in 1215. As for rights in the US, Reporters Without Borders actually ranks the US as only in a "satisfactory situation" for press freedom. That's only the second highest level (the UK has the top level, "good situation"). It also seems to me that in a lot of places freedom is speech is not prevented by law but by society.
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You see, there's two kinds of people in this world, my friend. Those with loaded guns... and those who dig.
You dig.
Osiris, I have nothing personal against england. But since Alan12 was referencing history and not the present, I was referencing history as well. And journalism by far is better in England and Europe as opposed to the US. Here it is too much of a business, and self-centered.England has always been one of the leading countries in giving rights since the Magna Carta was signed in 1215. As for rights in the US, Reporters Without Borders actually ranks the US as only in a "satisfactory situation" for press freedom. That's only the second highest level (the UK has the top level, "good situation"). It also seems to me that in a lot of places freedom is speech is not prevented by law but by society.
Journalism is a load of crap in England/the UK with a total lack of objective reporting from many tabloids. However, people can say pretty much whatever they like. I think the only exceptions are "inciting racial hatred" and obviously certain "naughty" words in the wrong place/wrong time.
And I think Alan was just joking :P
You see, there's two kinds of people in this world, my friend. Those with loaded guns... and those who dig.
You dig.
Actually I consider journalism to be much better outside of the US. When I visited england last year (or maybe it was the year before), there was reports on the news about what was going on in the middle east that had nothing to do with America. If I remember right, one of the country's leaders had passed away. When I got back to America nobody even knew who he was, and there certainly wasn't a story about it.
And tabloid journalism is always crap no matter where you go.
Yeah I agree with the point. In the US things are far more internally focused, which is reflected in journalism, as well as other media.
You see, there's two kinds of people in this world, my friend. Those with loaded guns... and those who dig.
You dig.
FOX NEWS, does one need to say more?
It's like watching the counterpart of Osama Bin Ladens "Good morning, terrorists, let's kill some infidels today".
FOX news is ran by christian fundamentalists, and the extreme patriotism makes me wanna puke.
They still reported Iraq had WMD's long after it was proved not to be the case btw. FOX NEWS has its own agenda, the agenda of Bush and other religious nutcases.
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Heh yeah... I watched Fox News once, it was hilarious. Reporting should be objective and not sensationalized. I think most Americans know it's crap though, but the worrying thing is that a lot don't, and they're normally the worst people to put ideas into the heads of.
The same applies here in the UK. Unfortunately, the people who believe the tabloid's sensationalism and scare-mongering are the same illiterate morons who attack paediatricians because they have "paed" at the beginning of their title.
You see, there's two kinds of people in this world, my friend. Those with loaded guns... and those who dig.
You dig.
I remember one episode of the daily show where they had on the one democrat that worked at FOX News (he had just retired). They played a montage of clips of him getting bashed by all the right-wing fundamentalists they have on various FOX News shows. I felt so bad for him, the Christian fundamentalists wouldn't even let him talk...
You can't talk sense if you can't talk :P
You see, there's two kinds of people in this world, my friend. Those with loaded guns... and those who dig.
You dig.
america thinks FOOTball is played with your hands!
Aye that's a real issue here in the US, if anyone doubts that. My father actually died from a similar case; his insurance company wouldn't allow a port to be put into his neck to ensure his blood wasn't being poisoned by the medicine he takes (They could no longer test via veins because they were "dry" from being tested so much, so they needed a permanent port). He died less than a year later from that very reason.
Don't even remember the BS reason they gave for not giving it; all I know is that I'll always hate big business.
And yeah - they're required though in emergency situations to do what's needed, if you land in the emergency room. But it's costly, I have like a $20,000 bill just from getting an emergency appendix removal :/ when I had to go - I waited until I almost passed out.
I'm actually seriously considering moving out of the country just based on the fact of Health Insurance.
Have no fear.. President Obama is here! Again, I'm sorry for just swooping in for one shot posts.. but some things demand a response and can be explained quickly and clearly, while others are best left for a cup of coffee and assorted snacks.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aLzfDxfbwhzs
The "commentary," that incidentally contains more journalism then I see coming from any major news outlet, has links to the actual bill HR1, and notation as necessary. I suggest people read both the article and the bill if they have time. It will affect every single American once it is passed.. mores the pity.. -_-'
Just in case you feel lazy and don't want to click the link here are some choice pieces.
"One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
I'm so glad that economic stimulus involves the federal government telling my doctor what is appropriate in my care, and most importantly cost effective. Heaven forbid I want a personal doctor.. -_-'
"The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system. "
Now theres a goal. I'd rather not accept "hopeless diagnoses," and I want a doctor that is willing to fight with me. The rest.. well it speaks for itself. If you complain about private HMO's, good luck with the government.. they have the force of law to uphold their decisions.. on YOUR health.
It goes on and on.. again.. I encourage you to read the bloomberg article and the actual legislation and see if this is honestly what you want in a "stimulus bill." Whether you are for or against national healthcare, don't you think it's an important enough issue to actually discuss instead of slipping it into a bill during an "emergency?" Sigh.. my cynicism is getting the best of me again. Time to go back to work.. good day all..
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