Best Kingdom ever?

[Kaer Hurlin]

My first age was age 3 (or 4 cant remember was awhile ago), my first Kingdom was a mid tier warring Kingdom.

Never broke the top 50 for the first couple of ages I was there but loved to war.

The first age I was there they traded in a top dwarf player to teach all the new people how to play attackers, the second age I was there (age 4 or 5) we broke the players code of cheating and down loaded ICQ and used that to co-ordinate our wars with then we broke the cardinal rule of the utopian community at the time and did BLACK OPS in war !!!

We didn't cross log we didn't script we didn't create resource or intel farms we weren't a "famous" Kingdom and we where not members of an alliance but from the Fates Warning style of thinking we where down right durty durty cheaters ..... and he isn't original in his way of thinking there was alot of utopians with his attitude in the past alot of them left utopia due to "the alliances gang banging" and "cheaters" they left to play cheater free games like WoW ............ o.O ...... dinosaur attitude in a dead game ..... pretty weird

[Palem]

You guys are talking about trading? Bloody trading lol?
There was not a single top or even just good kd that i am aware of, who considered trading even remotely being as cheating or who didn't do it, so stop the BS, it's just ridiculous.
xlog, multing and farming was considered cheating, trading simply wasn't.

Trading was against the rules. That's why it had to be legalized.

EVERYBODY TRADED

Prove it.

[Korp]

Well, when I played in ghettos,we cheated, so ghettos must cheat.

When I played in a midtier kd, we cheateed so mid tier kd ...

That much covers everybody.

[Palem]

So I guess because Bishop said his kd traded that all top kds traded and thus cheated?

[Korp]

Well, nobody ever denied that top kds cheated but I bet you cant name a single top kd that you know for sure that cheated.

[Palem]

The correct answer was no, that does not logically follow.

Well let's see. There's Bishop's kd since he admitted that they obviously traded.

Sinners were mass deleted then denied reinstatement after pleading their case, so there must have been adequate proof that they were cheating.

[Fates Warning]

Yep. With my way of thinking (the way the game was SUPPOSED to be played) you were all dirty dirty cheaters. Why can't you accept that? You broke the rules to fit your own play styles and egos. Pretty simple. Your all real quick to pat yourselves on the back for your 'GREAT KINGDOMS' as obvious by this thread. The only kingdoms that didn't think illegal trades and account collecting was 'acceptable' were the kingdoms that were themselves engaged in the same activity. Pretty freaking sad you people can't accept that you broke the rules of the game and thus are labeled 'cheaters'.

There were quite a few kingdoms that PLAYED BY THE RULES. We NEVER traded, We NEVER collected accounts, It was always posted in kingdom forums if you were a multi to GTFO etc etc etc... we never kicked people out of the kingdom for any other reason than being inactive.

Well we can Start with Brute Force and go from there if you want me to name them.... So stop acting like I don't know what the hell I am talking about. A good 12-13 years of playing this game and you learn quite a few things about the going ons. So try again... lol

**Quick edit**

Before I get some buffoon in here calling me out on a lie I will correct it myself. We did kick out provinces that were non-responsive players, farms, and people that just refused at least make the attempt to play as a team. Other than that, that was it.

And I will add that kingdoms like the one I was in was a minority thus making the experience all that more frustrating. So sorry if I am a little bitter seeing threads like these.

Seems Palems kingdom was much like ours. I have more respect for Palems gameplay than I do over the lot of you...

[Kaer Hurlin]

rules ..... the way the game was supposed to be played ......

Who decided these rules ... you the player ? moofool ?

Moofool deleted my legit non cheating account in age 10.

At that point of playing utopia I had never asked for an accounts info, shared an account with anyone, traded an aco****, created mass accounts, proxied, shared info outside of my Kingdom ...... but my account was deleted .... so where twelve other provinces in my Kingdom ....and then 12 more the following age.

We where never given a reason we got total silence from echelon games and 50% of my Realm mates stopped playing due to the bull**** treatment we got, I know of three other Kingdoms who got the same moofol rough justice. ( this was pre age 14 mass deletions)

Sure I cheated from that point onwards I gathered account info I traded accounts and I illegally transfered accounts to other countrys ...... moofool created the rules of engagement I just followed them.

[Fates Warning]

Mehul made the rules. He owned the game and he made the rules. Just as now if you try to use automation to play your account you get deleted by S&B or any other rule they have set. Even Bishop should understand this. Those 'rules' were in place for a 'reason'. Doesn't matter what you, me, bob, jeff, george or masha think of these 'reasons', if we were to play the game we were 'supposed' to play by the rules Mehul set.

Just because Mehul lost interest in having to police all the dirty tactics and people trying to bend or break rules all the time, did not mean these rules were to be ignored. You all were given the keys to the car and ran hog wild with it.

Even toward the end Mehul deleted the 'obvious' provinces and kingdoms, even if he wasn't the fastest in acting upon it, for breaking the 'rules'.

[Fates Warning]

Jobolob doesn't probably know it but he played in our kingdom the last age we were in existence and moved on to create his Aussie kingdom. He can vouch for my claims of a 'fair play' kingdom if you think I'm full of BS.

[Luc]

The definition of great is not "follows the rules". Mehul wanted the game to be played a certain way, and lots of the players thought his way was BS. He had to back down on several issues because his ideas were just not gonna work. Anyway, if you want to make a thread about who was the greatest kd that never cheated (and can actually prove that there exists a single kd matching that description, which you of course can't), go ahead.

It's a huge difference between kd's that traded and kd's that xlogged and farmed. Trading was a shortcut, and if everybody had gotten deleted for it, this game would not likely exist today. You saved time by trading, that's it. Xloggers and farmers actually got ingame advantages from their cheating. The great kd's are those that never did rely on xlogging and farming, and that would've still been the best even without trading. Even without trading, these kd's would have easily outperformed the "non-cheating" kd's, because the difference in performance was due to skill, not trading. Call them cheaters all you want, they were still miles ahead of you. Don't expect any of those kd's to ever apologize or feel bad for trading, because it's never gonna happen. Just like people don't feel bad for crossing the street without a green light if there are no cars around.

[Korp]

Well let's see. There's Bishop's kd since he admitted that they obviously traded.

What is Bishops kds name?

Sinners were mass deleted then denied reinstatement after pleading their case, so there must have been adequate proof that they were cheating.

Sinners were also reinstated once, but i asked you to provide proof <- Okey, I didnt I was going to edit that in yesterday but i forgot so sorry (edit)

[Korp]

Pretty freaking sad you people can't accept that you broke the rules of the game and thus are labeled 'cheaters'.

Dude, its pretty sad that you cant read, nobody in here have ever denied that they didnt cheat (well apart from people with holier than you attitutdes like you). But for us it was a socially accepteable rule to break. It provided enjoyment, alot of social interaction etc.

There were quite a few kingdoms that PLAYED BY THE RULES. We NEVER traded, We NEVER collected accounts, It was always posted in kingdom forums if you were a multi to GTFO etc etc etc... we never kicked people out of the kingdom for any other reason than being inactive.

You keep saying that but you're words isnt much worth

Well we can Start with Brute Force and go from there if you want me to name them.... So stop acting like I don't know what the hell I am talking about.

What about Brute Force? (any tool can name a kd) I asked name a kd that you know cheated and plz provide proof.

[Bishop]

There were quite a few kingdoms that PLAYED BY THE RULES. We NEVER traded, We NEVER collected accounts, It was always posted in kingdom forums if you were a multi to GTFO etc etc etc... we never kicked people out of the kingdom for any other reason than being inactive.

Your entire kd could have been cheating, you cannot say for sure that your kd NEVER traded etc.


I'm not really bothered by being labeled a cheater for trading. Everyone i know was ok with it. Much the same way that everyone in real life doesn't come to a complete stop at a stop sign if they see the road is clear. Some rules are dumb.

[WolfDGrey]

Prove it.

Immediately after you provide real proof that all top kingdoms cheated.

We NEVER traded, We NEVER collected accounts

Here, Palem's words are best: Prove it!
But hey, damn, you can't! Because you maybe didn't even noticed what your mates do. And most specially because in so many years as you claim to have played, it is enough that, one guy from your kingdom did it once, and your "never" goes to hell. You're a dummy hypocrite with no skills whatsoever so you need to whine about other people's bad attitude to justify your minuses.

We did kick out provinces that...
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...and people that just refused at least make the attempt to play as a team.

And there is the proof of your hypocrisy. A few posts above you were talking about "forcing" people to play by the kingdoms way, while you too did same. Hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocrite!