@boko, ryshad and others: Don't get sucked in by these guys. Nobody is going to "win" this discussion. They made their justifications, people apparently burned them, and by all accounts they will probably get burned a few more times in-game. Continuing this thread is just feeding them, like giving them a loudspeaker and a stool in a crowded park.
Originally Posted by Ryshad
As much as me and Bishop may not see eye to eye on things, I respect him when it comes down to posistion of authority and access to correct information, I'll trust Bishop over you.
In regardes to bug finding, yes it can take time to read through what people have been saying but you also need to apply logic. Learn about the logic and then you have a greater base to build from. That I think will give you the best understanding, working things out for yourself rather than just being told and told to trust it without question... Not saying thats what you done either.
in regardes to the vacation mode, there are a lot more variables to take into consideration, each variable can do with investigating 'down the line' for the possable scenerios etc. Vacation mode has a lot more than breaking a CF, as I said, it is a simple IF block for CF breaking.
I'll be happy to sign a sug; min time CF and if you break it then your kd losses 50% of the total KD honour (transfered for dishonourable action). A representation of what really happens... you do something dishonourable then hit the KDs total honour, tranfer it to the more honourable kd.
I'll admit it can be seen as a dishonourable action, thing is with point of views... which one is right? Mass Majority?
For me thats on a individual bases, for cases like this I prefer to 'sit on the fence' and from time to time I find it fun to try and explain the oppsite point of view for debate.
For everyone I have insulted, I am sorry, I should of been smarter and stuck to less personal comments ^.^
Doesn't change my point of view tho, it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. An issue between two kds which everyone else didn't have full knowledge and as such made some comments which we're equally insulting to me.
"A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be."
No amount of trolling ( Midoki I am in no way saying you are ) or fighting will change the outcome of what happened. Would have could have should have are always part of hindsight. If given a reset button both kds might handle things differently but we will never know.
When was it you started thinking you were better than me?
♥ Katje ♥
just to clarify, reseting relations violates no in game rule. does not mean it doesnt violate the players code of conduct of which you reap for ages to come (ie your rep and how others look and treat you).
Icy 4 8
Fair play Boko, I live by taking responsability for my own actions ^.^
I'm confident tho that when people do war us they'll see more of us and realise we aint 'lame', we made that harder for ourselves and so we're going to have to war a lot more kds, im sure over a fun fight and friendly game of connect 4 people will see the real us a bit more =P
As Katje said, if there was a reset button then I think things would of been done differently, the action meant very little to us and didn't think it was such an issue.
Out of curiosity (and not trying to cause trouble), should you never break a CF for the whole age? I'm guessing different people would have different ideas but the initial assumption I get from reading what you said Boko, I would assume not during the remainder of the age?
My main curiosity comes from the 2 main reasons I see for CF, friendship and tactical. No real need to talk about having a CF with a friendly KD cause it kind of explains itself but the tactical one, they can be born from hostile actions. Once the boot is on the other foot then me personally see nothing wrong with breaking the CF and returning the favour, luckily I aint the monarch lol.
As I said, not trying to cause trouble, leave that flame fest behind us, not in defence of our 3 seconds or however long it took either... but curiosity from the subject of CF.
"A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be."
Your condescending post makes no sense. Feeding us? Trust me bud the last thing we want is to keep having this exhausted conversation. I guess there is a silver lining, glorifying our small mistake is making this game more interesting than normalSo many panties in a knot.
Boko are you still going on? Get off your high horse already you are the last person to criticize anything. You act like we killed somebody, cancelling the CF was a mistake that had very little consequences for SH, the outcome of the war would not have been any different. I guess you could make the argument that there would not have been a war in the first place but you have to keep in mind we told them not to bother sending a CF since we won't be accepting yet. SH got over it a while ago yet you go on like you are some white knight.
In reality your just some angry monarch who decided to wave us as soon as we got out of eowcf. i guess you decided to take advantage of us while we were down and refused to take your free wave and go away because you had some weird vendetta. Now you are upset we are opping and retal warring you? And your upset we took most of that one Orcs science, what did you expect when you tried to grief us?
To me the most comical part is that you seem upset that we really don't care about being hit and this hostility is actually alot of fun
Last edited by nive; 15-12-2011 at 03:37.
you can break CFs ofc. but not to reset relations and continue the hostile like that. just make sure if there is an agreement to follow it. like 48 hours notice to break CF. stuff like that. some kingdoms do it that way and others dont like to.
Icy 4 8
im not an angry monarch. had you just took the wave, said no war i would have CFed and moved on. talk to your monarch cause i have the messages still. however you didnt just take the wave and instead opped and retalled back. making aggressive actions isnt "taking a wave".
Boko are you still going on? Get off your high horse already you are the last person to criticize anything. You act like we killed somebody, cancelling the CF was a mistake that had very little consequences for SH, the outcome of the war would not have been any different. I guess you could make the argument that there would not have been a war in the first place but you have to keep in mind we told them not to bother sending a CF since we won't be accepting yet. SH got over it a while ago yet you go on like you are some white knight.
In reality your just some angry monarch who decided to wave us as soon as we got out of eowcf. i guess you decided to take advantage of us while we were down and refused to take his free wave and go away because you had some weird vendetta. Now you are upset we are opping and retal warring you?
To me the most comical part is that you seem upset that we really don't care about being hit and this hostility is actually alot of fun
like i said before, me waving you had nothing to do with what you did with SH. you were in range and not much else was around tbh. im not some white knight policing utopia. DDodge knows what i want for a CF.
/me shrugs
Icy 4 8
i was at work when you waved so i might be a bit out of the loop but the worst aggressive action we could have done before asking you to CF and move on would have been a handful of ops. if you are going to act like a bully over a handful of ops then you are no longer the white knight but the dark knight (man i loved that movie
Did your mother not teach you that two wrongs don't make a right, SHAME SIR SHAME!
/me smiles
Last edited by nive; 15-12-2011 at 07:33.
The easiest way to think of utopia is as if it is best example of karma. How you treat kingdoms is how you will be treated in return, do not expect people to treat you fairly or with any respect if you are going to take a cf, then break it so you can wave again.
Any "justifications" that you think you have found will be used against you in the future. Then where do you stand? Two wrongs definitely do not make a right but there are plenty of people that will happily do it anyway just to emphasise the point. The action of taking a cf then dropping it and resuming hits is a fantastic way to earn enemies. Utopia has become a very small community and a lot of kingdoms that are established have friendly kingdoms that in most cases, if looking for a war, will be happy to adapt the same rules you guys want to start making up.
Anyway..... my overall point is that you reap what you sow.
lmao
most sensible point
i would have moved on had you just ate the wave. but you didnt. there were retales and ops done before i talked to DDodge and it got worse after we talked.i was at work when you waved so i might be a bit out of the loop but the worst aggressive action we could have done before asking you to CF and move on would have been a handful of ops. if you are going to act like a bully over a handful of ops then you are no longer the white knight but the dark knight (man i loved that movie
Did your mother not teach you that two wrongs don't make a right, SHAME SIR SHAME!
/me smiles
meh
Icy 4 8
good article and inspiring. i feel like watching "the matrix". goodjob!
if you actually talked to dodge after we opped and retaled some hits it was due to you ignoring us for a while. dont try so hard to act like your actions were honourable. apparently we are both now scumbags
an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind!
/me sighs
lol tufkuki called this the most sensible point?
this is just a useless redundant post, if you think about what you are saying Mad you might realize the holes in your reply.
Last edited by nive; 15-12-2011 at 17:56.
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