#2 province grande mucca deleted

[Drixx]

Also it should be noted that I find this decision absolutely absurd. It was clearly not a 'fake' war, and indeed the nature of the arrangement was to secure a genuine (read:not fake) war for both kingdoms. Provinces should be reinstated, with interest :P

Precisely. Whatever else you might be able to say about Ryan, what he did was set terms before the war to make it a fair war for both sides. Bishop's decision, in effect, outlaws diplomacy. It's overreaching, and Bishop's responses in this thread are snarky at best.

But, as I said earlier, that is Bishop's MO. He refuses to have an adult conversation about things. He refuses to even acknowledge the possibility that his viewpoint is incorrect. He abuses his power and threatens people. If you disagree with him, you are mocked, talked down to or silenced.

This issue should be reversed. Those two monarchs did what monarchs are meant to do. They talked out terms for an even war for their kd's, and then both participated fully in the wars according to the agreed upon terms. Warfare is sometimes a gentlemanly affair where sides agree upon certain boundaries, and sometimes not. Much the same, it has worked this way in Utopia for as long as I can remember. Bishop's earlier response to this line of argument was "fakewar's used to be commonplace and allowed" or something along those lines. But, he's clearly missed the point. Fakewars were outlawed. Diplomacy and setting terms/boundaries for wars were not outlawed anywhere that I'm aware of. Both players in question were fully involved in the war with hits (and I presume ops from first hand accounts posted in this thread), so there doesn't seem to be a "fakewar" case here.

Bishop has never, as far as I can find via search, changed his mind about something he said or did. In this instance, he clearly overstepped both the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. His past behavior tells me that no matter what the community has to say, and no matter that the ghetto players involved showed up and said "hey, these two guys were helping us learn the game and agreed to these terms to get both kd's an evenly matched war, and both were participating, there's no foul here!" this terrible decision will stand because for any other outcome to happen, Bishop would have to admit his initial action was incorrect or possibly ill advised, or in the nicest possible way of saying it... a bit hasty.

This is, I believe, something Bishop will never do.

Capital punishment was handed out against two players when everyone else involved in their situation says that there was no crime. No victims here. Simply two monarchs trying to help new players learn the game better and arrange a good war late in the age.