Mercy vs Pulse round 2.

[flogger]

Now, instead of whining about how you cannot play the game the way you used to - start to device ways to adapt if you want to be successful.

Thats what I was talking about, adapting by gangbanging and making it stop ;p

The devs mainly dealt with the issue by adding that the range limitation is over after 200 hits, so its not as prevalent as before.

However one comment stuck out, I imagine you won't find noticed and ceasefires as ridiculous if you ever competed in the top. We have 8 day notice essentially with mercy and still have a gigantic disadvantage.

Its easy to live without notices if growth is not something you seek, as you can sit in fortified and pump as long as you want after conflicts before coming out. But if you're trying to grow and one kingdom has the ability to pump sciences, then all kingdoms must try to achieve that otherwise you lose.

Which brings back to the original point, why is someone 1/3 of our size telling us what is ridiculous (notices/ceasefires) or not in a game we're competing in that largely doesn't involve you whatsoever (top kingdoms don't really random war kingdoms anymore). If the rules were made that we didn't need them to compete, no one in the top likes dealing with the notices/dicing, believe me.

[tak3shi]

I never understood by what right ppl think they should be allowed to stock enormous amounts of gold and get away with it on account of having a conflict coming. Its just redicolous.
Main reason robbing from top kd?s is geting out hand are top kd?s themself. You rat on eachother when notices are given alarming warring kd?s of it and you caused lot of bad blood gb?ing cats last age. Not to mention public exposure served to show many noobish players how and where to find easy vash.

Personally I have allways stole from top kd?s and allways will, its not spite or anything ... its just that you have something I need ... lots of it. And I dont need to waste.stealth looking for it.

On the sidenote for whats it worth I prolly robbed close to 100mils this age from pulse/bio/os and not a penny from abs cause of last age actions by these kd?s and their leaders. Reading thru flogger/rock convo here I think I?ll follow same mo next age too.

Thankfully OS doesnt exist anymore so I don't know who you robbed! :P

[citadela01]

@Prot
Money i not there if there is no conflict coming in forseeable future, stashes are nowhere as big and most of the cash goes into sci. It still good place to steal from and robs still happen, just not to such extent and it doesnt get such exposure.

@Flogger
Ppl dont have promblems with notice deals in general imo. We just have problems with top kd‘s thinking their notices are of any concearn to us. Uto is dynamic enviroment and you dont get mantle of invulnerability each time you are preparing for war, just like we dont. We get robed, we get hit and whatnot prior to our hostiles as well.
Do we get right to fight on even terms without outside interference in our fights ? Should we ban all randoms/ops into kd‘s not in range? I dont go emo on forums when someone robs my runes or something before hostile.

[Syntico]

Hey Palem, you reading this? Cancel the CF, I want to have some fun too!

[LightNing]

somehow I feel like people are getting sidetracked...

[flogger]

@Prot
Money i not there if there is no conflict coming in forseeable future, stashes are nowhere as big and most of the cash goes into sci. It still good place to steal from and robs still happen, just not to such extent and it doesnt get such exposure.

@Flogger
Ppl dont have promblems with notice deals in general imo. We just have problems with top kd?s thinking their notices are of any concearn to us. Uto is dynamic enviroment and you dont get mantle of invulnerability each time you are preparing for war, just like we dont. We get robed, we get hit and whatnot prior to our hostiles as well.
Do we get right to fight on even terms without outside interference in our fights ? Should we ban all randoms/ops into kd?s not in range? I dont go emo on forums when someone robs my runes or something before hostile.

No one in the top gets emo on the forums when someone robs their runes or something before hostile. If it didn't significantly affect our war chances no one would be upset, but like I said, with the 200 hit rule its not as much of an issue this age.

[TheRock]

I made 2 hits into sonata, the first of which I made myself thinking the age was over with and it was just for fun since it was after the tick and I didn't know the rules, and the second of which I ordered cause I'm a troublemaker. 2 hits = GB?

This is utopia, maybe because I started playing in an era where there wasn't this "gangbanging is bad" (in there was no button and two kingdoms could simutaneously declare on another instantly for any reason) mantra I feel differently. I'm fine fighting one on one with people, but with these current rules if you are getting robbed while you're giving or receiving notice from another top kingdom, you're not fighting 1 on 1. I'm fine playing nice if others want to play nice, and I'm fine gangbanging the heck out of someone I think isn't playing nice with me.

No one ever said I talked to the rock, I qualified "you" as being absalom. You've been weird lately, so we don't talk much.

You're thinking of the wrong situation. I'm talking about the time we robbed 25m gcs off them when we had 3.5 raw + 15% dens on the kingdom while they were preparing to fight someone else.

I know you qualified that, but I qualified your broad Absalom position with my own.

We don't talk much because you only PM me occasionally, otherwise we wouldn't talk at all.

[gergnub]

We don't talk much because you only PM me occasionally, otherwise we wouldn't talk at all.

TheRock </3 flogger :(

[Awesomeness]

TheRock </3 flogger :(

Awesomeness <3 gergnub \:D/

Where is the love you nerds?!

[Charis]

For a great example of what I think flogger / prot is saying refer back to Mercy vs Pulse round 1.

That thread was started about the upcoming conflict, in wanders a ghetto cat player and says something to the effect "well maybe I should make a withdrawal"

There are a number of different levels of play for war in utopia - the ghetto level where a monarch spends most of his time begging someone to show up and make a hit, the kingdom with better activity is probably going to win the war even if there was no rhyme or reason to their kingdom setup.

The next level of play is the level where ghetto cats spends most of their age warring at - They war kingdoms without perfect activity or setup, and again the winner is determined by and large by how determined one kingdom is to come out with the WW. It's easy for a kd of slackers to active up over a 48h hostile, but then real life gets into the way of these "weekend warriors" and activity drops out. Playing in these kingdoms are good strategists and so often they set up their kingdom much like a "superkingdom" the problem being they dont tailor their strategies for the activity / knowledge level that their player base provides. You can see how this has played out in some of ghetto cats wars this age - the other kingdom will often start off way ahead in land. But due to the fact ghetto cats actually have a setup that they know works for their activity requirements after the first few days the war often swings in their favour do to the fact they are not only willing, but planned to have a longer engagement.

At the top level of play you have this age atleast two kingdoms like Mercy / Pulse. Warring superkingdom vs superkingdom it is assumed activity will be perfect (an easy way to figure this out is to count the uniques in a war, if you take duration of war, divide by attack time, multiply by attackers you get a unique count #) These kingdoms plan to hit or exceed that perfect unique number by waving army in / out and using spare offence.

Although I know these are broad generalizations, warring at the superkingdom level is very much a game of chess where the war strategists from one kingdom come up with a number of different scenario's thinking through the likely response, counter, response etc.

In kingdoms like that there will be a specific plan for each province. Having a third party kingdom with no affiliation come in and steal 75-100% gold from one single province basically immobilizes that province / player before the game even begins.

And that is what is truly frustrating for top level players when they know other kingdoms are just sitting there, waiting for threads like this to pop up, and then going and stealing from whichever one they aren't cf'ed with or dont like more.

After taking some time off, I was surprised to see these threads about kingdoms at war. On one hand I thought they were great as it provided a chance for the community to smack talk and then follow the kingdoms as they went through the war, but it seems really all these threads are doing is providing notice to vulture kingdoms that know is the time to swoop in and begin stealing, forcing a cf from these kingdoms at a time they are most vulnerable.

[Syntico]

We don't talk much because you only PM me occasionally, otherwise we wouldn't talk at all.

I heard it through the grapevine that you two been beefin'?

[DHaran]

Try to think a bit prot. Notice, for you people, results in amassing a lot of gc to be able to do last minute training and build convert etc. Now, the op "Rob Vaults" is dependent on the amount of gc which a target has. If there are 10 kd's in the top 10, and 1 of them suddenly starts to have a lot more gc amassed, with the same amount of thief protection, that will provide a lot more gains. Obviously a kd that has no clue of who provides silly notices to whom and continouosly sot's the different kd's will be drawn toward the gc which gives the best ratio of gains/stealth. I can understand that this looks like a correlation between notices and stealing for dumb people, but I would expect more from top kd leaders. being able to seperate root causes from symptoms is a good skill to have in life.

Now, instead of whining about how you cannot play the game the way you used to - start to device ways to adapt if you want to be successful. It's a bit sad that Cat's are used in all these examples, there should be at least one more kd on the server with some balls. If someone is robbing into this conflict it is not us, as we have CF's, so maybe there is some hope. Instead of yelling that you are unable to compete if you're not completely left alone by everyone else, try to find a way to use this to your advantages vs. your enemies. Or, if you want to change top level game play, do away with notices/CF's completely and no kd would dare to pump at 35% draft with 100 mil gc lying around. I understand the need to do it if everyone else does it, but surely your players would have more fun without it.

You tell prot to "think" and then post an entirely ridiculous comment yourself. How exactly is a kingdom at #2 supposed to adapt the theft of their gc stores to an advantage against a kingdom who is not being robbed because they have a CF with the robbers? There is no way to fix that, to suggest otherwise is complete nubery. And to suggest doing away with CFs and notices is an equally idiotic concept. Try, just ONCE, playing for a crown, then come back to me and say CFs and notices aren't necessary. There would need to be changes in the game, not the kingdoms play style. Also of note, robbing gc does not give you "balls", it just makes you opportunistic as you only take advantage when better kingdoms can't waste time on you.

Are you on drugs? Are you telling me you believe no top kd's has recieved robs from e.g. cats except when notice is provided? We are robbing evenly across the age whenever we're out of war based on 2 parameters; 1) who has the most gc and gives us the best gains, 2) who we dislike the most and played ugly against us in the past.

Except when you CF the kingdoms you dislike and rob from the ones who would need the gc to beat the kds you dislike. Solid logic, lol.

[octobrev]

Lol what do you know about playing for crowns?

[tak3shi]

Lol what do you know about playing for crowns?

Don't mock a man for trying. :(

[TheRock]

I heard it through the grapevine that you two been beefin'?

No more than you and I are :)