Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[Spahrep]

Topsy: That's a very interesting point, im going to have to think on that one.

-Edit: i just had a look at top WW vs NW and there is hardly any overlap at all...
But I'd assume that these 4/4 WW KDs could be larger and still have 4 wins. Are you saying you dont think that they could grow and take on abs and try to tripple crown?

[Palem]

So u basically want every1 to seriously compete while ur own kd is just f*cking around in top10 instead of doing serious stuff there? lol imo

All faeries by it's very nature can't compete. I created TFC because I wanted to have fun in the game. TFC has been fun and very challenging, but it most likely won't be the last kd I play in. We do the absolute best we can. Are polar bears doing the best they can? No. Elit is slumming it.



And for the record, I'm not asking people to crown. I'm asking people to get better because the whole game sucks right now. Kds like Sleepy, Secrets, Warcry, ect who didn't try to crown but least TRIED to play the game and beat the best kds in the game are what kept things interesting. Even if they weren't trying to crown they could at least stop someone else from crowning. They were GOOD ENOUGH to play even if they didn't chose to go for the crown.

[DHaran]

While I certainly agree with some of Korp's points here, at least TFC manages 25 provs and gets some size on them. They don't intentionally stay small, which is the biggest issue really. I don't mind what Palem does, at least he's involved.

[Korp]

Palem - There is your answer, people do things cause they want to have fun like you do. On a sidenote i think both Secrets and Warcry crowned, well i know for sure Warcry did :P

While I certainly agree with some of Korp's points here, at least TFC manages 25 provs and gets some size on them. They don't intentionally stay small, which is the biggest issue really.

Yeah, gotta give them some cred at least for that. People that stay small on purpose is silly.

[cRs]

Palem, there is more into this game than the explore page and Paradise spell. Some likes honor, some likes warring, some likes ghetto basher... some likes whoring. Thats the beauty of the game afterall, but u cant put a mark of "top kds" to those who all they do all age is finding targets to farm and explore/paradise themself into "the top" - and if u allow me, thats pretty much what u are doing with ur kd - if thats what u call top then im pretty sure many will disagree. There are many more top kds out there who stays small (top 50-100) cuz they like to war, not to nap everyone(the few kds in range) @ and farm provinces who grew bigger @the server. But everyone have fun with this game as they like, so nobody is to blame.

[Palem]

There's nothing fun about intentionally avoiding growing and competing against good kds.

[DHaran]

"staying small" and "top" do not belong in the same discussion cRs. Good kds staying small is ghetto-bashing, period.

Palem - There is your answer, people do things cause they want to have fun like you do. On a sidenote i think both Secrets and Warcry crowned, well i know for sure Warcry did :P

Warcry crowned during the AWar age when everyone else who could crown was occupied. Secrets never crowned, just a few top 5 finishes.

[Sheister]

There is no need for that, shows how little you know.

Really? Thats nice to know.

If you need to train people to whore, there is like one thing that you should keep in mind, hit smart.

If only it were that simple. Its been said many times..... I don't think I have ever had an age where the KD had 100% of the people in it following that simple instruction without a lot of time being spent reviewing SoT's and explaining why the proposed hit is or is not good.

lol, dont flatter yourself. You have no insight in the top now so why do you even pretend to know and write something silly like that?

Sure thing chief. this never happened before....

You are probably the most ignorant and arrogant player on these boards atm. You dont need to spend countless of hours infront of utopia cause you are on the top, if you think you need to sacrifice seeing your kids or sacrifice your job for being at the top you are just sad.

Obviously that was a bit over the top for effect. Seriously, You have never read people say something over the top on these boards to make a point?

Ignorant, probably......

arrogant? Very strange statement if you ever actually spoke to me, but w/e.

Korp, you have not the foggiest clue (I suspect) about what it would take to try to build a KD from scratch these days because everyone is too nub for you to spend your time training them and you are unlikely (from what I have read) to be interested in spending the time on training them. (Please do not take that as an insult. I don't either and I am working with mostly rusty people who used to try to crown back in ages 20-35 and just don't want to do the time commitments)

However, please don't tell me that the timing required is not insane when so called top KD's insist that you run armies in/out and set alarms and be ready to respond to texts any time of day to hit. The reason I never even bother with any of them is I personally refuse to spend my time that way. I will hit when I get around to it. Its simple. Sometimes I get hit with armies home, and it sucks but oh well. Its a game. Winning a crown means nothing to me any more than winning a particular war means. Its nice, but ultimately it is the war itself that matters. Having it be a quality war, with minimal BS.

Now, were the wars with Mercy, BiO, Sanc, Ghetto cats, etc more fun than wars with some random ghetto? Sure they were. They were also time consuming and in some cases (for no rational reason I could understand) complicated to set up. In some cases of those wars the ego's on the other side were so repugnant that I almost did not want to even bother to log in, I just so did not want to even interact with those people. That is a condition that was unique to that culture, while I have been bored or frustrated by stubborn play or stupidity down in the lower rungs, I have never met anyone down low that I thought was simply repugnant.

I could play in and contribute to a KD trying to crown, I MIGHT even be able to effectively lead in one (I am sure you doubt that, and its not meant to be a point of debate here). But with the exception of very few people in those KDs I don't LIKE many of them. I don't like the culture up there. People in my KD that say they want to crown, I give them a very nice recommendation to friends in more driven KDs and I wish them well. After idling in channels and watching all the chatter around up there, very few of them choose to join and instead stay in my KD.

Few people want to deal with the bulls**t (at least few that I respect.)

[Korp]

Warcry crowned during the AWar age when everyone else who could crown was occupied. Secrets never crowned, just a few top 5 finishes.

Well not everyone, Seasons was free as well and we could say that Seasons had what it took to crown? :P

[Spahrep]

"staying small" and "top" do not belong in the same discussion cRs. Good kds staying small is ghetto-bashing, period.

I'm going to have to agree with DHaran on this. If these kingdoms are good, why not grow and be good. why stay small on purpose other than to make sure you can find a ghetto to bash. Why dont all these 'good' KDs who are getting war wins, who are filled with good players go give abasolom a run for their money?

I havent been playing recently, has anyone triple crowned or even triple top10'd in the last few ages?

[Sheister]

I'm going to have to agree with DHaran on this. If these kingdoms are good, why not grow and be good. why stay small on purpose other than to make sure you can find a ghetto to bash. Why dont all these 'good' KDs who are getting war wins, who are filled with good players go give abasolom a run for their money?

Because it takes more time than it is worth to give absalom a run for their money. Why put in all that time to end up in the top 10 when you can relax, have nice mello wars in which making completely stupid mistakes are unlikely to be pivotal? Why put in all that effort learning/teaching all the ins and outs of every stupid forumula in this game and all that just to come up short when you can have a perfectly fun time and invest 1/10 of the effort?

[Korp]

Obviously that was a bit over the top for effect. Seriously, You have never read people say something over the top on these boards to make a point?

But I read excuses like that constantly from people that plays in self glorified warring kingdoms. "They dont have any lives" etc. After awhile it get tiresome to see the same kind of people writing the same kind of stuff.

Korp, you have not the foggiest clue (I suspect) about what it would take to try to build a KD from scratch these days because everyone is too nub for you to spend your time training them and you are unlikely (from what I have read) to be interested in spending the time on training them.

Depends on the people I guess, but sure if its you and bunch of new players and you want a solid "top kingdom" it will take some time yes. But even medicore kingdoms like TFC can chart well, we did chart 6th the age I played there and they did consist mostly of new players as far as i remember.

However, please don't tell me that the timing required is not insane when so called top KD's insist that you run armies in/out and set alarms and be ready to respond to texts any time of day to hit.

They dont afaik, I just get the feeling you are base your opinions on how things used to be when utopia was more competive playground. Cause all you say fits so well into that, you do realize that most people that now plays in the top kingdoms have grown up, have jobs some even children and some pretty fancy jobs. They dont have time for such things anymore.

Now, were the wars with Mercy, BiO, Sanc, Ghetto cats, etc more fun than wars with some random ghetto? Sure they were. They were also time consuming and in some cases (for no rational reason I could understand) complicated to set up. In some cases of those wars the ego's on the other side were so repugnant that I almost did not want to even bother to log in, I just so did not want to even interact with those people. That is a condition that was unique to that culture, while I have been bored or frustrated by stubborn play or stupidity down in the lower rungs, I have never met anyone down low that I thought was simply repugnant.

Its more the kingdom than the "top climate" so to speak, ive met more bad sheeps down there than up there at least the top folllows some twisted ethically code which dont exist in the bottom levels, just take that thread where some kingdom gets razed just cause the kingdom razing thinks its "fun". But its only natural that competing against a better kingdom demands more time, ie they have plans you have tou counter etc.

But with the exception of very few people in those KDs I don't LIKE many of them. I don't like the culture up there. People in my KD that say they want to crown, I give them a very nice recommendation to friends in more driven KDs and I wish them well. After idling in channels and watching all the chatter around up there, very few of them choose to join and instead stay in my KD.

I think you just lack some real insight with most of those people and just notice the loudest of them which hardly represents the majority. With that said I am all for everyone playing their own thing I just dont like view people like you have on the top since its so wrong on some points.

[cRs]

why does big=good (kds)? u can stay small and fight good kds too.. but ur ego tells u that u have to be big to be good. Im sure there are many TOP kds out there who prefer staying small and find theyr wars easyer instead of having 5 kds @them, 3 friends, 1 nap and 1 in war...

Thats the reason they stay small and prefer playing the game as it was designed, instead of massive growing and sitting in these forums in fortified ;)

If only 10 is the "top kds" where did the others good kd went? ghetto bashing? check 50-100 top and see how many kds have 25 players... but they prefer warring not whoring or sitting 10 days to set up a war and I appreciate that.

[DHaran]

Those same old excuses are no longer valid. War, take the acres bonus, and move up the charts. War stronger kingdoms, it isn't a hard concept. Complaining about not having enough targets in the top and simultaneously refusing to move into the top, that's the irony of ghetto mentality. If nobody moves up, nothing will ever change.

[Drug]

Palem, Warcry won crown with ****ty DE setup ;)

Why ppl intentionally stay low? Coz atm beating Silly Pink Ghetto Cats is harder than beating all abs kds in a row. It's a fact ;)