Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[DHaran]

Palem, Warcry won crown with ****ty DE setup ;)

Why ppl intentionally stay low? Coz atm beating Silly Pink Ghetto Cats is harder than beating all abs kds in a row. It's a fact ;)

Drug has a serious point here. All top kds are more vulnerable now than ever, but the lower kds refuse to man up and take them down.

[cRs]

and Silly Pink Ghetto Cats are not in "top", so that makes them ghetto bashers? :)

Dhran, warring kds prefers honor+science than acres+top - simple "ghetto" mentalitty. And ty to the game, they have tops to compete too (ww/honor)

[Palem]

No one who is under #5 could beat Sanctuary, or the other 4 consistently good kds, in a war on even ground.

Winning against bad kds does not make you good.

Edit:
To the ghetto kitties defense, they do war good kds, but only while they're out of range with the game mechanics on their side.

[Spahrep]

If you think you need NAPs to get top 10 KD, what I'd suggest then is a small handful top waring KD's NAP each other and go smack around the top NW KDs next age that sit in their own NAPs. At least then we have a 2 party system :)

[Anri]

Palem it is very nice how you pick two situations out of the hundreds of situations we been in and write about Simians in that way.

We started to fight absalom many ages ago.

We had fights vs Edge of absalom, Dragons of absalom, fury of absalom, sanctuary.
We had fights vs Fratzia, BiO, Insolence, old school and Pulse.

You name a KD, we fought most of them and done as good as we can for all these ages.

It is more then unfair to pick two recent situations and entirely judge our KD based on those two performances.

I think dealing notice to three KDs at once was the only chance we had when it was a 3 vs 1 situation. All had to train up else they could dice away while we warred. We took our wild chance and the only road there was to take if we wanted to even have 1% chance of winning.

We are farming Mercy right now, so what? We offered them war this same age when they were #1. They choose to say they were anti-abs and that they hated absalom (just not as much as Simians) to avoid us waving them. We waved Sanctuary from our #2 position. We arent playing as you like it?
You put Mercy in that position using your 25 faery KD.

We are competing in the very best way we can and we keeping strong after everything that happend thruout all of the ages.

You think about your own KD and think about what purpose your KD has on this server.
You raped Mercy in hostile. The point of your KD and its very essence is not to be able to do this?
Am i wrong? Then you complain when you have CFed your opponent and someone rapes them?

Its not my problem what you do and its most certainly not my problem if Mercy allow this to happen when they dont even tried to do diplomacy with Simians.

Palem, you are very wrong imo. Absalom and thier allies is controling this server and it decays because of it. To few dare to war them and to many CF them. It does not take much to grow strong when you are part of absalom. Look at HoH. 9/10 times absalom protects them and make diplomacy for them and they been allies for so many ages now. Its not even a challenge for absalom to compete any longer.

More KDs like Pewpew, divinity, Simians and Pulse is needed. KDs that dare to not CF absalom and would dare to fight them and each other.

Absalom should drop some allies or go solo like the rest. The server is to small for an overpower like this. You cant possible compare old days to current days Palem. The server is far from the same and there is no need for an absalom alliance any longer. They done good, they been the best, they had their run. Its time they war each other and its time they stop powerplaying and CFing each other so they can pump almost freely and start competing. The are 9/10 times more pumped then my KD is. Not because they are better. Just because they are so many so they got the time to pump.

We proven it many ages and been #1 OOP several times, we been waving #1 KD many times as well.
It just takes a war or two and you fall behind cause they CF each other and grow instead of target each other. Sure its smart, they win on it. But how fun can it be really?

Its time for changes. Either they drop KDs or more KDs like Simians unite to challenge them.

I could go for letting them self-decay and die also. Not giving them any competition at all and never get in their range. Let them sitt up there together and fart and do NOTHING...

Palem you really lost a few screws...

[DHaran]

and Silly Pink Ghetto Cats are not in "top", so that makes them ghetto bashers? :)

Dhran, warring kds prefers honor+science than acres+top - simple "ghetto" mentalitty. And ty to the game, they have tops to compete too (ww/honor)

No, warring kingdoms prefer staying at levels where they win the majority of their wars, rather than challenging themselves with harder competition. Everything else are just bogus excuses to ghetto bash.

[Sheister]

I think you just lack some real insight with most of those people and just notice the loudest of them which hardly represents the majority. With that said I am all for everyone playing their own thing I just dont like view people like you have on the top since its so wrong on some points.

That is probably fair. To be honest I have not hard core tried since age 34 or so. Last age I was motivated to try and got so screwed over by the gimped NAP structuring and the lameness of the "cow" alliance that I simply have given up for a time in disgust (both with my own myopia in not seeing things that I likely should have and just dealing with the garbage that was last age.) I was very close to just quitting again last age to be honest. Perhaps in another few ages I will be motivated to try again but quite frankly playing in the top ten last age just sucked and was completely un-fun in every way. One of the main reasons I was eager to jump sanctuary last age was because I wanted to get dropped as far out of the top ten as we reasonably could. Then everyone got pissed at me for "giving sanc honor" and all that crap. Even beating the snot out of BiO in revenge for their power playing us early age was kind of anti climactic and finishing #8 was so simple it was kind of un-rewarding. So, having recently tried, and failed, and not having had the slightest bit of fun doing it, I can say it is just not something I am interested in.

However, please don't tell me that the timing required is not insane when so called top KD's insist that you run armies in/out and set alarms and be ready to respond to texts any time of day to hit.

They dont afaik, I just get the feeling you are base your opinions on how things used to be when utopia was more competive playground. Cause all you say fits so well into that, you do realize that most people that now plays in the top kingdoms have grown up, have jobs some even children and some pretty fancy jobs. They dont have time for such things anymore.

"They" do. When I returned from retirement in age......50? I think it was 50, anyway when I un-retired a few people still remembered me and I interviewed with Monarchs in four or five "top" KDs. Everything was always fine with the interview until they said "anything else you want to tell me?" And I would explain that while I run my own business and am therefore near my computer most of the day and am basically online 16 hrs a day (sadly sometimes more) when I go to sleep and my wife is sleeping next to me, I am not setting alarms, answering texts, having my ringer on, etc. Then they would ask "what if your army gets home then? I would explain, I take extra hrs so that does not happen, but if it did, then my army is home and whatever happens happens. The usual comment was "I can't tolerate that in my KD" or similar words.

So, "they" still do require that actually.

[Korp]

"They" do. When I returned from retirement in age......50? I think it was 50, anyway when I un-retired a few people still remembered me and I interviewed with Monarchs in four or five "top" KDs. Everything was always fine with the interview until they said "anything else you want to tell me?" And I would explain that while I run my own business and am therefore near my computer most of the day and am basically online 16 hrs a day (sadly sometimes more) when I go to sleep and my wife is sleeping next to me, I am not setting alarms, answering texts, having my ringer on, etc. Then they would ask "what if your army gets home then? I would explain, I take extra hrs so that does not happen, but if it did, then my army is home and whatever happens happens. The usual comment was "I can't tolerate that in my KD" or similar words.

Weird, when Sanc tried to recruit me I said I would be inactive as hell. They told we can fix a sitter each war no problem. In my current kd which is quite competive in its field I would say we dont set alarms, we can add hours if needed.

[Spahrep]

So, "they" still do require that actually.

So don't play with "They" play with like minded people like you who want to be casual players and still play like you mean it.

I think the next age should be the age of change, the age when the good KD's rise up out of ghetto bashing, form their own alliances, and go for the triple crown.

[Sheister]

Spahrep,

That is a nice image and I admit it is attractive until I start planning (mentally) the strategy, time, and and and that it would require. I can't speak for anyone else that would lead in such an effort, but I know I just don't have it in me to try. I have a very busy 6 months comming up and no time to sit around playing patty cake on IRC with people. (all evidence of my current posting and extreme procrastination to the contrary.)

[Palem]

@Anri - Simians used to be a kd worthy of note. You used to be a kd who would compete with the best of them. You used to be able to hang with the best of them. You MIGHT still be able to, but we'll never know since you choose to spend the majority of your time on kds who shouldn't require your attention. Ever since your multi-notice blew up in your face you've taken a step back from the good kd that Simians used to be. I don't say these things to try and "embarrass" Simians or anything, but rather snap you out of it and get back to being the cool kd that you guys used to be.

As far as your vulturing Mercy, a kd who is trying to rebuild it's reputation as a force to be reckoned with shouldn't be wasting it's time vulturing a who just got beat because they happen to have Absalom in their name. You can make all the excuses you want, it's just stupid. When Simians were at it's prime it wasn't coming up with good excuses to pick off the scraps. It was taking on the best of the best, no excuses.

[Anri]

No one who is under #5 could beat Sanctuary, or the other 4 consistently good kds, in a war on even ground.

Winning against bad kds does not make you good.

Edit:
To the ghetto kitties defense, they do war good kds, but only while they're out of range with the game mechanics on their side.

Again, crazy.. All kds in the current t5 have lost wars to different opponents. On even terms is next to the only time you can beat them thou.
Cause when they are consistantly powerplaying and CFing each other to take over the top it also means they get to outpump everyone and become to OP to beat.
Its no joke that almost every time we had a chance to war an absalom KD they had at least double amount of our science. Not because they are better of obtaining science. Just because they have more CFs and more time to pump safely and being left alone doing so. Its been proven that all of these KDs can lose on even grounds. We have many different wars to go back and look at and we seen all of them lose. Especially if we look on early age performances before they run away and pump up to much.

[Sheister]

Weird, when Sanc tried to recruit me I said I would be inactive as hell. They told we can fix a sitter each war no problem. In my current kd which is quite competive in its field I would say we dont set alarms, we can add hours if needed.

Yes, sanctuary is one KD that I did consider trying to join after I idled in their priv for a bit and so on, but my bonds to my old monolith colleagues kept me where I am. "Family" means more to me than crowns. But yes, sanc did not seem like it would be bad at all. They are one of the few kingdoms that (if they would have me and I was looking for a KD) I would consider joining, the others being Psychward, Melee Weapons, and Roughnecks.

[Spahrep]

Sheister, sent you a PM, just want to make sure you check them. i often leave them unchecked for teh better part of the age, haha.

[Spahrep]

@Anri - Honestly you guys have an image problem that stems from a number of your players. This is my 2nd age this decade and I dont know the Simian history well, but from the in game messages i've received, and the behavior put forth you have some bad apples that make you look like a bunch of raging idiots. As for your ability to play the game, that I don't know, you seem organized enough, but if the guy that was messaging me/TFC has any part in your kingdom policy it would seem you are more concerned with dishing out some twisted concept of justice to protect your Klingon honour than advancing your own KD.