Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[TeddybearSTHLM]

And you stayed small on purpose then I suppose? Iirc you ooped on <500 or even on 415?
As much as you like to stay small, we prefer to stay big and fight Absalom, who are a good competition to fight.

Mind you, no disrespect to any other kingdom. There are several good ones who don't back away from a fight but I'm also aware of the fact there is quite a few self-proclaimed warring kingdoms who will only engage wars they are guaranteed to win.

Sorry, I assumed you knew the thread. In it flogger suggested we both (cats and pulse) meet at 400 acres oop and duke it out.

[cRs]

well, I have to agree palem knows how to make community go wild... and despite what I said earlyer, if 2-3 kds decides to grow up there and give it a try and even palem decides to change his status of "observer in top 10" and start fighting aswell, then this thread was not made for nothing.

[maccar86]

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but its pretty obvious that most of you are missing the point.

SPGC don't want to play in the t5?

Why are people trying to push them into something they don't want to do. Their skill level and activity is irrelevant.

Everyone in this game plays for different reasons. Whether it be fun play or top play or warring who are any of us to critisize them?

Considering SPGC have only lost 1 war in their past 25 maybe you should all try and war them and beat them if you are so worried about beating the best and stop focusing on trying to push them towards a goal that they have no desire of reaching.

[fwordz]

btw whats up with the huge amount of 20-22 prov kds starting at #9 an overcrowding prettymuch the entire chart? I seem to remember there was alot mor 25prov kds last age?

[Sheister]

I think that is because there are so many 20 province KDs that it is a lot easier to go for more wars if you stay at 20-22 KDs. It is very challenging, especially OOP, to get a war as a 25 province KD. This is just more evidence that KD size should likely be dropped to 20-22.

/me shrugs.

[Robar1980]

You're calling the top10 arrogant, I consider that badmouthing even if only a very light form.

Well, that's just a matter of different opinions then. I can live with that.

[Palem]

I dont see how you can go around talking smack about other kds while yourself aint doing nothing to to promote your initial post. Its not the game that should change its you who should change the kingdom, as long as you do your own **** and dont try to compete you shouldnt talk about what other people should do.

Where did I say TFC was immune to any of my criticisms? TFC is terrible and shouldn't be anywhere close to the top 10. That's what started this rant in the first place.

Like you, everyone plays for fun. Some people have fun in a different way than making 25 faeries, Shocking concept I know.

What's shocking is that you've somehow let your idea of fun get warped into this lazy-mode crap where you would rather steamroll a ghetto who hits you 3 times a day rather than someone who could actually challenge and beat you. Turn off easy mode and get better.

Start with your own kingdom instead of pointing fingers at others?

Stop making excuses for others?
Aside from that TFC is getting better every age. Can Beastblood claim the same? There's something your kd can get better at, so go do it instead of wasting time telling me I run a 25 faery kd. I know that already.

Hear Hear Elurin. I agree, if Palem wants this to happen - change 19 of your provs race next age. It's just a freaken word. Create an example for us to follow!

Here's an example to follow:
10 The Faery Circle (x:x) Icia 113,403 acres

Kd that can't attack is beating out 355 other kds (97% of the game). That's a joke.

SPGC don't want to play in the t5?

Why are people trying to push them into something they don't want to do. Their skill level and activity is irrelevant.

Everyone in this game plays for different reasons. Whether it be fun play or top play or warring who are any of us to critisize them?

Considering SPGC have only lost 1 war in their past 25 maybe you should all try and war them and beat them if you are so worried about beating the best and stop focusing on trying to push them towards a goal that they have no desire of reaching.

SPGC have/had certain reasons for staying out of the top, which used to be legit. You needed to be involved with a lot of diplo. Wars weren't so easy to come by. These are no longer legitimate and they COULD be incredibly successful if they would just try. They wouldn't even need to change their playstyle that they enjoy so much. They choose not to try (much like MANY other kds) and they will forever lose because of it. I'm here to tell them to try because the game environment blows.

[fwordz]

SPGC have/had certain reasons for staying out of the top, which used to be legit. You needed to be involved with a lot of diplo. Wars weren't so easy to come by. These are no longer legitimate and they COULD be incredibly successful if they would just try. They wouldn't even need to change their playstyle that they enjoy so much. They choose not to try (much like MANY other kds) and they will forever lose because of it. I'm here to tell them to try because the game environment blows.

Actually you seem to have no clue what our reasons are. As Elurin pointed out we fought better(and harder) wars this age than any of the "top10" kds we fought last age (except BIO). Dunno what you base your argument that wars are harder up top on, cause it can't be experience.

[Palem]

What are your reasons then?

[Korp]

Where did I say TFC was immune to any of my criticisms? TFC is terrible and shouldn't be anywhere close to the top 10. That's what started this rant in the first place.

Cause you throw **** all around you but not at your own kd.

What are your reasons then?

Its more interesting to stay where the competition is more fierce, being high in the top dont actually make you better at warring just look at your own kd :P

[citadela01]

I started reading from the start but meh ...

Everyone plays the game the way they like it with the goal that is their own to decide on. Everything else is bogus.
The fact some people consider these goals lesser, ghetiosh or whatever else you wanna call it is irrelevant. Those ppl are irrelevant. Only relevant ppl on that particular subject are 25 individuals playing in that particular KD. Their goals and objectives within their hobby are their own to decide. Not yours.

Palem I am very surprised you take the liberty of running 25 fae KD and talk down on warring KD's. Maybe you should man up like you tell others and give KD your size a button wo 10 days hostile ? No ?
Who are you to deny others the same liberties you allow yourself ?

For leet wanabees ... if you want to prove to warring KD's just how bad they are maybe tag up oop next age ? I assure you all top kd's will find someone knocking on their door.

[Elurin]

Palem. I'm telling you, I can sign an autograph but you wont get any pics no matter how much you keep involving my kd and me in your every post. I just wanted to get that out there so expectations aren't too high.

I stated in my first post in this thread why I dislike top play. Go back and read it, is around page 4-5 :)

[maccar86]

SPGC have/had certain reasons for staying out of the top, which used to be legit. You needed to be involved with a lot of diplo. Wars weren't so easy to come by. These are no longer legitimate and they COULD be incredibly successful if they would just try. They wouldn't even need to change their playstyle that they enjoy so much. They choose not to try (much like MANY other kds) and they will forever lose because of it. I'm here to tell them to try because the game environment blows.

They have said a number of times that competing in the top is of no interest to them.... Who cares if you believe their reasons are no longer legitimate. They have fun doing what they do and seens as no-one is getting paid to play this game those reasons seem pretty valid here....

If the game environment sucks so much why don't you throw away the 25*faery kingdom and get a proper setup and join the top seriously? Because you made TFC for a bit of fun hey? Yet you are trying to push SPGC to challenege for the top when its obvious they don't want to.

As far as i am aware (i have played in SPGC) the kingdom sets no alarms and is all about having fun away from RL. Their skill and activity is irrelevant really because they are doing what the kingdom has always set out to do and that is have fun in the middle ranges.

[NoseBlood]

The only reason TFC and that halfer/elf ghetto is 'top 10' is that ops are broken in the way that they dont add points to the hostile meter. Try eating AW/amnesia for a week and compete with any other kd. Not to mention the amounts of fb's, blanked ms/greed/riots, its just f*ked up, none in their right minds would wanna wave these kd's, rebuilding just takes too long. Gbp kicks in too fast, these fearys/elf/halfers wont be overpop quick enought and the exploring is too cheap. Dragons should add points to the meter aswell. The decay is a joke aswell. But then again, the coders could probobly not fix this, even if they wanted.

If there was changed to ops/dragon oow, these pure def kds would never be left alone.

Other reason that warring kds dont really grow OOW is they usually use learn/plunder/massacer waves, taking land in waves is rare, unless the war is arranged.

Besides, unless your whoring from the start, you will never stand a chance vs any top whoring kd in terms of science/wpa.

[Persain]

What are your reasons then?

you have to power play be & generally be assholes to crown...feeding of smaller kds just enough that u dont piss them off to start razing you. You avoid all that bs yet still have fun waring and not growing. Even "ghetto bashing" is insanely fun when your target is 20-30% larger than you...have won a few of those wars.

Where did I say TFC was immune to any of my criticisms? TFC is terrible and shouldn't be anywhere close to the top 10. That's what started this rant in the first place.
Here's an example to follow:
10 The Faery Circle (x:x) Icia 113,403 acres
Kd that can't attack is beating out 355 other kds (97% of the game). That's a joke.

If u dont want to be top 10, just break your cf with any top 10 kd and wave them, that'll change. But the notion that you are "beating" anyone is a fallacy the only kds that care about land are bigger than you, with the exception of Mercy and they got screwed by the way "war" works in this game.Thing is TFC did horribly last age when they started small enough that they couldn't stop every "random" they caught with 100 ops.

You want war kds to grow u have to alter the game. Stopping the land drop issue was a good first step but u need to CHANGE a few other things in the game, im not saying i want these changes i'm saying they'd have to happen

1.Explore formula purely linear and tied only to NW KD ranking & mean prov size. That is even if a 15k acre feary needs to be able to explore if his attacker core is 18k acres, but exploring shouldn't be basically free<5k acres.

2. science and wpa. Both are meant to be investments but they stop you from waring/competing if you grow quickly or couldnt sit up top at high science for part of the age. you simply give up a giant advantage if you grow from #30->10 in science and it takes DAYS of pumping at high guilds to build up any reasonable level of wpa, much less whats lost in a war by AW. Sure they are meant to be a different mechanics but they are an issue. Pew Pew for example had horrible mystics because the grew them 2k-3k acres pre war and then tried to grow them IN war via hitting. Not saying it should be instant, but its to slow right now based solely on acre gains and WW bonus when winning a war.

3. The hostile meter decay, 1-2 waves =/=1-2 weeks of ops just dumb so is ops not count towards the meter.

4. War button play, when both kds are actively hostile for 24-48 hour or more they are at war even if one side is horibly outmatched, game needs to auto declare it. Using fort+GBP protection and all that is the right way to play currently but it just draws things out way to long and u get screwed if your target wont "war" you.

5. War win bonus, the acre bonus is GIANT when your big, and meh if your small right now. U want war kds to war big they need acres when small, big kds dont need a 10% boost though. WW bonus should be 100% land if smallest in game 100% honor if biggest in game..have it autoshift between the 2 and be a % land of largest kd in the game. A tiny kd may get 35k+ acres on a WW but who cares they should be bigger if they can win wars. you again go to science/wizzards though as an issue.

6. Fill kds up, stop creating new kds. 7101/365= 19.45 that's ridiculous, no kd should be <20 unless they are actively killing people much less should the AVERAGE kd have under 20 people. You want people to still buy invites, auto fill to 23, free invites can be used to 24, but u have to pay for an invite mid age to fill to 25. Its possible to war 24v25, its impossible to compete 20 v 25..Then every kd is only unable to recruit ONE person without "pay to win" if they suck during freeze time.